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Niravroh
Profile Joined August 2020
165 Posts
June 11 2021 04:40 GMT
#10
Clem is still the favorite for his group, but it's still true that his strongest matchup by far is his TvZ. I won't be surprised if he gets out 2-0, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Neeb and Heromarine manage to narrowly edge him out into third.
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary404 Posts
June 11 2021 06:24 GMT
#11
gogo Lambo
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24237 Posts
June 11 2021 06:29 GMT
#12
Excellent groups, sick line-up. Should be great fun
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
June 11 2021 06:32 GMT
#13
TIME not being stuck with Serral and Zest for once.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
June 11 2021 07:37 GMT
#14
Go INno!
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
EndlessViolence
Profile Joined January 2011
115 Posts
June 11 2021 08:34 GMT
#15
How are the seedings for these groups decided? Probe wins his region and gets this seem a bit rough.
Neuling
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany45 Posts
June 11 2021 08:51 GMT
#16
Predicting Trap/Dream, Reynor/Maru, INnoVation/Rogue, Clem/HeRoMeRinE with Lambo, Zest having some shots as well i think. Group D could be anyone as well (with Clem probably being one of the two advancing).
Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
June 11 2021 08:59 GMT
#17
On June 11 2021 17:34 EndlessViolence wrote:
How are the seedings for these groups decided? Probe wins his region and gets this seem a bit rough.


No offense but Probe even beeing in this lineup is a gift from the current EPT system.
He is not even competitive in this lineup.
Jaedong | Life | MKP | PartinG | LosirA | ByuN | TaeJa | TY | TLO | Bomber | HerO | Rotti | Dark | Stephano | Maru | Ragnarok | MC | IdrA | Serral | Creator | Bunny | INnoVation | Liquid | Prime | JinAir
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3443 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-11 09:24:06
June 11 2021 09:13 GMT
#18
On June 11 2021 17:34 EndlessViolence wrote:
How are the seedings for these groups decided? Probe wins his region and gets this seem a bit rough.

Seeding are based on current season EPT points ranking. Top 4 are Rogue - Maru - Trap - Clem for each group. Probe has one of the lowest EPT points among the players, hence the tough group.

On June 11 2021 17:51 Neuling wrote:
Predicting Trap/Dream, Reynor/Maru, INnoVation/Rogue, Clem/HeRoMeRinE with Lambo, Zest having some shots as well i think. Group D could be anyone as well (with Clem probably being one of the two advancing).

I would give Speical and Time some chance as wel. Zest best shot is to beat Reynor as I dont have confidence in him vs Maru.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 11 2021 09:42 GMT
#19
On June 11 2021 18:13 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2021 17:34 EndlessViolence wrote:
How are the seedings for these groups decided? Probe wins his region and gets this seem a bit rough.

Seeding are based on current season EPT points ranking. Top 4 are Rogue - Maru - Trap - Clem for each group. Probe has one of the lowest EPT points among the players, hence the tough group.

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On June 11 2021 17:51 Neuling wrote:
Predicting Trap/Dream, Reynor/Maru, INnoVation/Rogue, Clem/HeRoMeRinE with Lambo, Zest having some shots as well i think. Group D could be anyone as well (with Clem probably being one of the two advancing).

I would give Speical and Time some chance as wel. Zest best shot is to beat Reynor as I dont have confidence in him vs Maru.

He played vs Maru and Serral in NeXT groupstage and it wasn t looking to amazing for him there. So it s going to be rough again here I gues
MaxPax
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 11 2021 10:04 GMT
#20
On June 11 2021 17:34 EndlessViolence wrote:
How are the seedings for these groups decided? Probe wins his region and gets this seem a bit rough.

Tbf if they put him into any other group, that group would ve been a group of life imideatly. So thats probably the least controvercial one.
I m still salty they abondaned the at least one Korean and exactly on EU Player per group rule from last year though
MaxPax
VladSlymor
Profile Joined November 2020
80 Posts
June 11 2021 10:04 GMT
#21
Clem - HeroMarine, really?
I mean, we get this match-up every other week in the ESL weekly, it's quite a bummer to not have more exotic oppositions in the season finals.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-11 12:32:20
June 11 2021 12:32 GMT
#22
(P)Trap/(T)Dream (in that order)
(T)Maru/(Z)Reynor (NOT in that order)
(Z)Rogue/(T)INnoVation (NOT in that order)
(P)Neeb/(T)Clem (NOT in that order)
Faker is the GOAT!
FFgringo
Profile Joined December 2015
44 Posts
June 11 2021 13:21 GMT
#23
On June 11 2021 17:51 Neuling wrote:
Predicting Trap/Dream, Reynor/Maru, INnoVation/Rogue, Clem/HeRoMeRinE with Lambo, Zest having some shots as well i think. Group D could be anyone as well (with Clem probably being one of the two advancing).


Agree for most of the groups but D. I think Clem will be 1st and Neeb 2nd. I don't see HM making it to the RO8.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
June 11 2021 17:38 GMT
#24
Group A will be interesting. I feel like Lambo is favored to advance second (offline I might slightly favor Dream against Lambo, but online I'll give the zerg the nod) but if Scarlett shows up any of the non Trap players could advance.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany156 Posts
June 11 2021 17:44 GMT
#25
On June 11 2021 22:21 FFgringo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2021 17:51 Neuling wrote:
Predicting Trap/Dream, Reynor/Maru, INnoVation/Rogue, Clem/HeRoMeRinE with Lambo, Zest having some shots as well i think. Group D could be anyone as well (with Clem probably being one of the two advancing).


Agree for most of the groups but D. I think Clem will be 1st and Neeb 2nd. I don't see HM making it to the RO8.



Heromarine will absolutely wreck Neeb...
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-11 17:53:55
June 11 2021 17:53 GMT
#26
On June 11 2021 21:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
(P)Trap/(T)Dream (in that order)
(T)Maru/(Z)Reynor (NOT in that order)
(Z)Rogue/(T)INnoVation (NOT in that order)
(P)Neeb/(T)Clem (NOT in that order)


So... couldn't you have just put them in the other order?

I agree with the prediction though.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
June 11 2021 18:31 GMT
#27
On June 12 2021 02:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2021 21:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
(P)Trap/(T)Dream (in that order)
(T)Maru/(Z)Reynor (NOT in that order)
(Z)Rogue/(T)INnoVation (NOT in that order)
(P)Neeb/(T)Clem (NOT in that order)


So... couldn't you have just put them in the other order?

I agree with the prediction though.

I just listed the two players I thought would advance, I was pretty sure about the order of group A, but the other groups are up there based on their form then.
Otherwise, it would have been Reynor first and Neeb first for my preferred predictions
Faker is the GOAT!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3443 Posts
June 11 2021 18:46 GMT
#28
On June 12 2021 03:31 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2021 02:53 Nakajin wrote:
On June 11 2021 21:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
(P)Trap/(T)Dream (in that order)
(T)Maru/(Z)Reynor (NOT in that order)
(Z)Rogue/(T)INnoVation (NOT in that order)
(P)Neeb/(T)Clem (NOT in that order)


So... couldn't you have just put them in the other order?

I agree with the prediction though.

I just listed the two players I thought would advance, I was pretty sure about the order of group A, but the other groups are up there based on their form then.
Otherwise, it would have been Reynor first and Neeb first for my preferred predictions

Remember the order of the match are important as well, Reynor has to play Zest first for the IEM Final rematch, and depending on how Zest ZvP look, Reynor might have to play him twice to get out of the group. Same situation in group C where Inno has to play against Special, who just beat him in ST2 and look very good in TvT. Group D would be full of potential for "upset" as HM will play Clem first, with Time and Neeb trying to lock it down as well.
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
June 12 2021 02:07 GMT
#29
All of these groups are pretty competitive overall, should be an excellent slate of games come the first weekend of July.
FF, KH, Persona, Uncharted, Yakuza | Porter, Illenium, MitiS, Dabin, Seven Lions, Petit Biscuit | Diablo II, SC2 | Pho, sushi, tacos
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