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GSL Code S Finals Preview: Rogue vs Maru (2021 S1) - Page 2

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Niravroh
Profile Joined August 2020
165 Posts
May 05 2021 23:07 GMT
#21
On May 06 2021 06:56 Edpayasugo wrote:
Seems bizarre to have this on a Thursday


I really miss the old gsl schedule. They used to be 2:30 am Wednesday night and then 9:00 pm friday night here in california. Now that they're both at 2:30 am I've found myself missing a lot more days I would have normally watched live.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-05 23:38:55
May 05 2021 23:21 GMT
#22
On May 06 2021 06:56 Edpayasugo wrote:
Seems bizarre to have this on a Thursday


Your comment just saved me, I was sure it was next weekend.

Time to wake up at 5 am!

This feel like the first unmissable GSL final in a while, I'm super hype.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 05 2021 23:51 GMT
#23
I feel like this is closer to a 50-50 chance than the betting odds would imply!
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10086 Posts
May 06 2021 00:36 GMT
#24
after the comeback vs Trap i cant see Maru losing. thanks for the preview
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
May 06 2021 01:48 GMT
#25
I have the feeling Maru will lose, but I just have to support my boy It feels like he always comes up short in clutch moments but I guess that's fan bias
maru :D
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3431 Posts
May 06 2021 04:03 GMT
#26
On May 06 2021 06:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I'm rooting for Maru again, but watching his games against Solar, and even his amount of mistakes on 2 of the 3 first games against Trap has got me a little bit worried. However, Rogue's ZvT hasn't been so convincing recently either.

I would like to see Maru's late-late game (even better if a Nuke decides the match). Though from watching Clem play recently and looking at Clem's ZvT winrate, I'm not sure how effective the strategy to turtle still is.

I dont think Rogue himself is a great lategame player neither, most of his victory was through early pressure and back-door tactics like runby, Nydus and Drop OV. So late-game might be the way to go for Maru if he doesnt die early, although I still prefer a couple of games with the good old Terran push on 3-4 base.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10361 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 07:16:31
May 06 2021 07:10 GMT
#27
Nice write up!
I agree, Rogue going 3-4 to Dream is pretty worrying. But he does have some clutch factor, both against Zest and Maru.

I think Maru will win too, but I'll be very happy with whoever wins. I just hope we see some good games (or at least 1 really good one). If it comes down to G7 then you KNOW it can only end one way, the way any other legendary series with a legendary Terran winning does: some form of marine/bunker/scv all-in.

By the way, maybe it's just for the purposes of hype of the article, but I often see people say that MVP has 4 GSL titles. I don't feel this is accurate at all. He won 3 Code S's, and he won 1 GSL "world championship", but what was that tournament really? It was a 16 person invitational where 8 of them were foreigners. It wasn't the equivalent of IEM Katowice or Blizzcon World Championship. Nothing close. It was really just GSL vs the World at the time. Which most consider to be less than a GSL Super Tournament, which is also considered (slightly) less than a Code S.

I never see people count GSL vs the World or GSL Super Tournament championships when they see how close people are to winning the G5L. While it makes sense to count vs the World and Super wins as "GSL title wins", usually in the context of winning "GSL championships" people are referring only to Code S. If they won any Super Tournaments they are mentioned separately, and same with vs the World wins. No one says that Serral has 2 GSL championships for example. GSL titles sure, but not "GSL [Code S] championships".

If non-Code S tournament wins counted as "GSL wins", then we'd already be saying that Maru has won 5 GSLs, right?
(This has bothered me since forever, MVP has only ever won 3 Code S same as Nestea, but even back then people said that he won 4 GSLs as if the 16 person invitational with half of them being foreigners really meant much).

I find it weird that GSL also counted MVP's "4th GSL win" as a GSL that counted towards the G5L. They aren't counting Maru's Super win as a GSL that counts towards the G5L. It doesn't make sense to me, other than they were hyping up MVP at the time and wanted to count it, but after his time passed they realized they should only count Code S towards it.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 07:23:10
May 06 2021 07:22 GMT
#28
On May 06 2021 16:10 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Nice write up!
I agree, Rogue going 3-4 to Dream is pretty worrying. But he does have some clutch factor, both against Zest and Maru.

I think Maru will win too, but I'll be very happy with whoever wins. I just hope we see some good games (or at least 1 really good one). If it comes down to G7 then you KNOW it can only end one way, the way any other legendary series with a legendary Terran winning does: some form of marine/bunker/scv all-in.

By the way, maybe it's just for the purposes of hype of the article, but I often see people say that MVP has 4 GSL titles. I don't feel this is accurate at all. He won 3 Code S's, and he won 1 GSL "world championship", but what was that tournament really? It was a 16 person invitational where 8 of them were foreigners. It wasn't the equivalent of IEM Katowice or Blizzcon World Championship. Nothing close. It was really just GSL vs the World at the time. Which most consider to be less than a GSL Super Tournament, which is also considered (slightly) less than a Code S.

I don't see anyone else count GSL vs the World or GSL Super Tournament championships when they see how close people are to winning the G5L. While "GSL Championships" does make enough sense to include Super and vs the World wins in a casual sense, when they count "GSL Championships" they usually refer to Code S championships, and if they have any Super Tournament wins they mention them separately.

If non-Code S tournament wins counted as "GSL wins", then we'd already be saying that Maru has won 5 GSLs, right?
(This has bothered me since forever, MVP has only ever won 3 Code S same as Nestea, but even back then people said that he won 4 GSLs as if the 16 person invitational with half of them being foreigners really meant much).


This could be the reason why some foreigner fans suddenly adding Serral as two-times GSL champions despite not taking a part in Code S. By subtracting GSL vs World titles from Inno, MVP, Serral, we ended up with three 3 GSL title for Innovation, 3 for MVP, and zero for Serral.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4021 Posts
May 06 2021 08:04 GMT
#29
gotta go with my boy Rogue in this one. Flawless finals record must prevail.
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Mannekino
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands15 Posts
May 06 2021 08:09 GMT
#30
Great read, thanks for the effort!
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10361 Posts
May 06 2021 08:31 GMT
#31
On May 06 2021 16:22 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 16:10 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Nice write up!
I agree, Rogue going 3-4 to Dream is pretty worrying. But he does have some clutch factor, both against Zest and Maru.

I think Maru will win too, but I'll be very happy with whoever wins. I just hope we see some good games (or at least 1 really good one). If it comes down to G7 then you KNOW it can only end one way, the way any other legendary series with a legendary Terran winning does: some form of marine/bunker/scv all-in.

By the way, maybe it's just for the purposes of hype of the article, but I often see people say that MVP has 4 GSL titles. I don't feel this is accurate at all. He won 3 Code S's, and he won 1 GSL "world championship", but what was that tournament really? It was a 16 person invitational where 8 of them were foreigners. It wasn't the equivalent of IEM Katowice or Blizzcon World Championship. Nothing close. It was really just GSL vs the World at the time. Which most consider to be less than a GSL Super Tournament, which is also considered (slightly) less than a Code S.

I don't see anyone else count GSL vs the World or GSL Super Tournament championships when they see how close people are to winning the G5L. While "GSL Championships" does make enough sense to include Super and vs the World wins in a casual sense, when they count "GSL Championships" they usually refer to Code S championships, and if they have any Super Tournament wins they mention them separately.

If non-Code S tournament wins counted as "GSL wins", then we'd already be saying that Maru has won 5 GSLs, right?
(This has bothered me since forever, MVP has only ever won 3 Code S same as Nestea, but even back then people said that he won 4 GSLs as if the 16 person invitational with half of them being foreigners really meant much).


This could be the reason why some foreigner fans suddenly adding Serral as two-times GSL champions despite not taking a part in Code S. By subtracting GSL vs World titles from Inno, MVP, Serral, we ended up with three 3 GSL title for Innovation, 3 for MVP, and zero for Serral.


Yeah, I wouldn't blame them since there are people counting MVP's Vs the World win as a Code S win for almost a decade now. It's inconsistent. Personally my ranking of greatest players is already Maru > Innovation > MVP/Rogue. I think most would find that pretty agreeable. Rogue could be slightly below or above MVP depending on how you look at it, but I think him winning this Code S would cement him more as being above MVP with a decent argument for tied for #2 with Inno or maybe even above Inno. (IMO main thing holding Rogue back from being #2 if he wins this Code S is if you consider/factor in LotV being a less competitive era in terms of the pro scene being smaller).

Of course though there is an OK argument for MVP to still be #2 or #1 just because the tournaments he won were within a relatively small period when the competition was very high. But in terms of GSL, Maru won 4 Code S and 1 Super and was also super dominant for 1.5 years (4 Code S in a row, really?!) so he's a clear tier higher than MVP for me. Innovation matches MVP's 3 Code S and 1 Vs the World title, but he also has a WCS World Championship title, so he's clearly above MVP for me too. (Even if he wasn't super dominant in a short period, he was relatively dominant over large periods of time).
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atchosvk
Profile Joined April 2018
55 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:40:46
May 06 2021 11:25 GMT
#32
+ Show Spoiler +
Trash finals.. Abusive use of roach ravagers all in and Maru completely clueless and making tons of mistake.. That game 5 with the slow banelings running into the 3rd base.. man come on.. GSL is a joke.. Reynor, Serral and Clem would easily take that trophy.


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CMS_Flash
Profile Joined October 2013
Hong Kong47 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:42:05
May 06 2021 11:44 GMT
#33
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2021 22:09 tommey.liang wrote:
I'm already predicting for Maru to win in six games, or Rogue in seven games. It'll be tough to call.


Reality: Rogue in 5. Damn, he was too strong.
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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:42:10
May 06 2021 12:54 GMT
#34
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2021 20:44 CMS_Flash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2021 22:09 tommey.liang wrote:
I'm already predicting for Maru to win in six games, or Rogue in seven games. It'll be tough to call.


Reality: Rogue in 5. Damn, he was too strong.


Indeed. He flipped the switch and went into killer-instinct mode.

Also I do wonder what happened with Maru's eyes/thought process with those slow banes killing a dozen+ SCVs at his third in game five. Did he really not notice all those units on his minimap? Hmm.
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iloveoof
Profile Joined July 2019
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 13:21:15
May 06 2021 13:18 GMT
#35
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Neuling
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany45 Posts
May 06 2021 13:26 GMT
#36
I really wonder if we will ever see a Rogue finals that isn't trash. :D
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:42:28
May 06 2021 13:43 GMT
#37
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2021 20:25 atchosvk wrote:
Trash finals.. Abusive use of roach ravagers all in and Maru completely clueless and making tons of mistake.. That game 5 with the slow banelings running into the 3rd base.. man come on.. GSL is a joke.. Reynor, Serral and Clem would easily take that trophy.

Reynor couldn’t even reach ro8...
He might have a shot since more and more top Koreans go to the military but meh.
WriterMaru
yepjan
Profile Joined February 2021
20 Posts
May 06 2021 13:58 GMT
#38
On May 06 2021 22:43 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:25 atchosvk wrote:
Trash finals.. Abusive use of roach ravagers all in and Maru completely clueless and making tons of mistake.. That game 5 with the slow banelings running into the 3rd base.. man come on.. GSL is a joke.. Reynor, Serral and Clem would easily take that trophy.

Reynor couldn’t even reach ro8...
He might have a shot since more and more top Koreans go to the military but meh.



lmao that was 100 years ago, now it would be easy
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:16:22
May 06 2021 14:13 GMT
#39
On May 06 2021 22:58 yepjan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 22:43 Poopi wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:25 atchosvk wrote:
Trash finals.. Abusive use of roach ravagers all in and Maru completely clueless and making tons of mistake.. That game 5 with the slow banelings running into the 3rd base.. man come on.. GSL is a joke.. Reynor, Serral and Clem would easily take that trophy.

Reynor couldn’t even reach ro8...
He might have a shot since more and more top Koreans go to the military but meh.



lmao that was 100 years ago, now it would be easy


Who knows. GSL is only kind of tournament where players get to choose who they want play against with before reaching the Ro8. Even Maru, Rogue and TY got easily stomped and kicked out during Ro.32/Ro24 when they are in the peak of their performances. You may not imagine Clem / Reynor can be kicked out by the players like Bunny or Patience or Zoun, or even Scarlett or Special in the same group they are playing with.


Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19288 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-06 14:41:48
May 06 2021 14:41 GMT
#40
Do we really need to have a reminder that this is a Preview thread and not a Results thread?
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