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IEM Katowice 2021: RO24 groups announced - Page 2

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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4068 Posts
February 11 2021 09:45 GMT
#21
Group A o_O
Drone is a way of living
VladSlymor
Profile Joined November 2020
80 Posts
February 11 2021 10:10 GMT
#22
On February 11 2021 18:06 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2021 05:03 Elentos wrote:
On February 11 2021 04:42 Waxangel wrote:
Seeding 20 of the spots and picking only 4 from the open bracket (as opposed to 12-12 in previous IEMs) has really made these groups more brutal than ever.

Also while being the highest seed usually means you have the advantage that the rest of your group becomes easier, group A has by far the highest EPT point total and Aligulac average if you remove the top seed of every group. Unusual to say the least to have a system that is the worst for the highest seeded player.

So I have to assume this was at least partially random draw because this arrangement doesn't seem like the result of any normal seeding system. I thought maybe they just went 1A, 2D, 3B, 4C for 5 rounds but that order doesn't hold up.

If this was full random draw (other than maybe player tiers like 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, 17-20) that's hilarious.


Very odd indeed. Would be nice to hear from ESL on how they did this.


Given the results, it seems very likely they did use tiers: one player of each tier 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, 17-20 in each group.
It's just quite unfortunate that the top players of the three first tiers (TY 1, Maru 5, Clem 9) ended in group A...
Still, go go Clem!
hyuu
Profile Joined August 2011
163 Posts
February 11 2021 10:16 GMT
#23
I hope last player joinning group A will not be ByuN, as i cheer for the prophecy boy..
But at the same time i won't be able to handle the excitement such a death star group would bring
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7139 Posts
February 11 2021 11:07 GMT
#24
Group of deAth O.o .Espiecially when Maru shows up

Group of life imma go with B
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
February 11 2021 12:25 GMT
#25
Group A is a very sad result. i also wonder how the seeding was done..
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 11 2021 12:33 GMT
#26
Trap won the last three events in a row but I still struggle to see him winning a big events like this. This is probably the best chance foreigners have at ever taking a Katowice.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-11 14:44:12
February 11 2021 14:44 GMT
#27
TIME is really stuck in the group with serral and inno forever
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
February 11 2021 18:00 GMT
#28
Jeeeez I’m so hyped
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
February 12 2021 01:32 GMT
#29
Very nice, those are exciting groups.
Serral group looks rather easy for him on the first glance, but Inno, Dark and Time all are players that gave Serral a hard time or even defeated him in the past.
My bet would go to Rogue to show up once again and take it home, especially since the spotlight seems to lay on other players. Would be just that typical Rogue move to win it in the end.
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Light1082
Profile Joined May 2020
18 Posts
February 12 2021 04:28 GMT
#30
Group A looks like the group of death to me. I'm hoping Maru comes back stronger than ever after his injury hiatus. The groups are all so good and can't wait to watch these games!

I think TY will top group 1 since his TvT is just a bit too big brain for the mechanical monsters in Maru and Clem. I don't think Solar or Showtime are favored against him either.

I'm hoping Serral will dominate group B, but Dark and Inno can always make a clean sweep. Still think Serral will top this group relatively easily though.

In group C at first glance I thought Reynor would take it down, but the way Trap has been performing recently is just insane. Zest has also been on fire the last few weeks, so I think depending on how well Reynor prepares for ZvP This group should go Trap>Zest>Reynor or Reynor>Trap>Zest. Excited to see how that plays out. Unfortunately I don't see Heromarine putting up much of a fight against all these Protoss and the American hero Astrea has a mountain to climb to get out of this group. We havn't seen much from him in a while so there is some potential for some excitement.

Stats should take group D with his consistent play. I'm expecting rogue to drop a series he's favored in, but still come out of the group in second.

Of course the seeded players may mix things up quite a bit, but that's where I'm at right now. What are your thoughts?
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany330 Posts
February 12 2021 09:33 GMT
#31
On February 12 2021 13:28 Light1082 wrote:
Group A looks like the group of death to me. I'm hoping Maru comes back stronger than ever after his injury hiatus. The groups are all so good and can't wait to watch these games!

I think TY will top group 1 since his TvT is just a bit too big brain for the mechanical monsters in Maru and Clem. I don't think Solar or Showtime are favored against him either.

I'm hoping Serral will dominate group B, but Dark and Inno can always make a clean sweep. Still think Serral will top this group relatively easily though.

In group C at first glance I thought Reynor would take it down, but the way Trap has been performing recently is just insane. Zest has also been on fire the last few weeks, so I think depending on how well Reynor prepares for ZvP This group should go Trap>Zest>Reynor or Reynor>Trap>Zest. Excited to see how that plays out. Unfortunately I don't see Heromarine putting up much of a fight against all these Protoss and the American hero Astrea has a mountain to climb to get out of this group. We havn't seen much from him in a while so there is some potential for some excitement.

Stats should take group D with his consistent play. I'm expecting rogue to drop a series he's favored in, but still come out of the group in second.

Of course the seeded players may mix things up quite a bit, but that's where I'm at right now. What are your thoughts?



I pretty much agree with you.

but i think TY will have problems against Solar, cuz i think his TvZ is his weakness and Solar can performe on a very high lvl in TvZ.

In Group C i think Reynor will take 1. or 2. place. He will be prepared for Katowice, but maybe Trap oder Zest will win a bo3 against him.

In Group D i really hope the "online Cure" shows up. I think he could take Stats down, if he plays 100%. Im feeling Rogue, Cure and Parting coming out of the group. Parting will play some crazy PvPs and somehow beat Stats too.

I hope that Byun will end up in Group B or D...(if he will make it through the ro36).
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
February 12 2021 09:46 GMT
#32
Hopefully ByuN qualifies and not in group A.
The groups are so stacked it will be madness, may the cross server lag have mercy on us
WriterMaru
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
February 12 2021 11:20 GMT
#33
On February 11 2021 05:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2021 04:42 Waxangel wrote:
Seeding 20 of the spots and picking only 4 from the open bracket (as opposed to 12-12 in previous IEMs) has really made these groups more brutal than ever.

Also while being the highest seed usually means you have the advantage that the rest of your group becomes easier, group A has by far the highest EPT point total and Aligulac average if you remove the top seed of every group. Unusual to say the least to have a system that is the worst for the highest seeded player.

So I have to assume this was at least partially random draw because this arrangement doesn't seem like the result of any normal seeding system. I thought maybe they just went 1A, 2D, 3B, 4C for 5 rounds but that order doesn't hold up.

If this was full random draw (other than maybe player tiers like 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, 17-20) that's hilarious.



It's a bullshit draw.... like bracket rigging.... they still hate the Koreans...
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 12 2021 13:42 GMT
#34
To get this clear, group A has the top player of each row except Dark?

Also group A has total 10k EPT points while B, C and D have 8,8k, 9,3k and 9,2k? And the average is way off as well.

I would really love to know how this happened.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-12 14:07:44
February 12 2021 14:02 GMT
#35
On February 12 2021 18:33 DarkGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2021 13:28 Light1082 wrote:
Group A looks like the group of death to me. I'm hoping Maru comes back stronger than ever after his injury hiatus. The groups are all so good and can't wait to watch these games!

I think TY will top group 1 since his TvT is just a bit too big brain for the mechanical monsters in Maru and Clem. I don't think Solar or Showtime are favored against him either.

I'm hoping Serral will dominate group B, but Dark and Inno can always make a clean sweep. Still think Serral will top this group relatively easily though.

In group C at first glance I thought Reynor would take it down, but the way Trap has been performing recently is just insane. Zest has also been on fire the last few weeks, so I think depending on how well Reynor prepares for ZvP This group should go Trap>Zest>Reynor or Reynor>Trap>Zest. Excited to see how that plays out. Unfortunately I don't see Heromarine putting up much of a fight against all these Protoss and the American hero Astrea has a mountain to climb to get out of this group. We havn't seen much from him in a while so there is some potential for some excitement.

Stats should take group D with his consistent play. I'm expecting rogue to drop a series he's favored in, but still come out of the group in second.

Of course the seeded players may mix things up quite a bit, but that's where I'm at right now. What are your thoughts?



I pretty much agree with you.

but i think TY will have problems against Solar, cuz i think his TvZ is his weakness and Solar can performe on a very high lvl in TvZ..

TY's biggest weakness is definitely TvP. I've seen him struggle against clearly weaker Protosses than Showtime recently.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
February 12 2021 14:08 GMT
#36
On February 12 2021 22:42 deacon.frost wrote:
To get this clear, group A has the top player of each row except Dark?

Also group A has total 10k EPT points while B, C and D have 8,8k, 9,3k and 9,2k? And the average is way off as well.

I would really love to know how this happened.

I have the scary feeling that ByuN will somehow end up in group A as well...
Maybe they had no choice having a group with more EPT points than the rest with the row thing, and it ended up being this group. Of the top 3 players from EU, Clem will have the hardest time to shine: he better hopes Maru is still not at his top, because TY seems to have his number and Solar/ShoWTimE are no slouch. Reynor should qualify comfortably independently of the top protoss performances (Zest / Trap), because he is a bit above HeroMarine / Astrea. Serral will probably top his group or at worse be top 3 as well.
WriterMaru
Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
February 12 2021 14:39 GMT
#37
I'm surprised by the faith in Reynor, He performs poorly for quite some time now (for his standards), don't see him topping the group easily, maybe not even 1-3 place If he is not stepping it up.
Dark Age of Camelot - I miss you
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 12 2021 14:42 GMT
#38
On February 12 2021 23:08 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2021 22:42 deacon.frost wrote:
To get this clear, group A has the top player of each row except Dark?

Also group A has total 10k EPT points while B, C and D have 8,8k, 9,3k and 9,2k? And the average is way off as well.

I would really love to know how this happened.

I have the scary feeling that ByuN will somehow end up in group A as well...
Maybe they had no choice having a group with more EPT points than the rest with the row thing, and it ended up being this group. Of the top 3 players from EU, Clem will have the hardest time to shine: he better hopes Maru is still not at his top, because TY seems to have his number and Solar/ShoWTimE are no slouch. Reynor should qualify comfortably independently of the top protoss performances (Zest / Trap), because he is a bit above HeroMarine / Astrea. Serral will probably top his group or at worse be top 3 as well.

I have the same feeling. To the EPT point thingy - it wouldn't kill them to record the creation of the groups and place it on youtube. It doesn't have to be fancy or anything special.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
February 12 2021 15:54 GMT
#39
BuyN will crush all of'em....unless wrist issues :s
~~(,,ºº>
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 12 2021 16:02 GMT
#40
On February 13 2021 00:54 -KG- wrote:
BuyN will crush all of'em....unless wrist issues :s

He doesn't have them online, so no wrist issues will be encountered. I have spoken! (also it would be the best story if ByuN wins the IEM)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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