EPTCan't really have an online WC, can we?
IEM Katowice 2021 to be held online, prize money redistrib…
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sneakyfox
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Can't really have an online WC, can we? | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States599 Posts
On January 22 2021 04:06 sneakyfox wrote: So are we still calling this the world championship or will we have both 2020 and 2021 without one? Can't really have an online WC, can we? Why not? The situation requires it to be online then so be it. The players having been playing online in ESL events for a year. Yes time zones and late night fatigue suck but there is no other feasible way to do it at this point. Crowds are not necessary to a World Championship either. Even hype is an optional luxury in a pandemic. | ||
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NotSoHappy
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Warcloud
United States97 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On January 22 2021 04:19 Chris_Havoc wrote: Why not? The situation requires it to be online then so be it. The players having been playing online in ESL events for a year. Yes time zones and late night fatigue suck but there is no other feasible way to do it at this point. Crowds are not necessary to a World Championship either. Even hype is an optional luxury in a pandemic. Well time zones and late night fatigue suck but the worst is plain and simple cross server lag. Either way the world champion will have an asterisk next to his name | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On January 22 2021 04:19 Chris_Havoc wrote: Why not? The situation requires it to be online then so be it. The players having been playing online in ESL events for a year. Yes time zones and late night fatigue suck but there is no other feasible way to do it at this point. Crowds are not necessary to a World Championship either. Even hype is an optional luxury in a pandemic. True, but only to some extend. Having a championship with at least three vastly different time zones and connection time makes it difficult for player to be in the best condition and show the most interesting matches. So it's great that they get to keep doing their job and earn money for it (prizepool-wise), but this does not make much difference with another whichever tournament one can tune in at a random time on this sidebar >>> Players just have more pressure about any random network or computer problem, since they might miss not 200 buck, but a hundred times more. | ||
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JJH777
United States4378 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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MajiN1
113 Posts
Online events doesn't prevent Koreans winning (TSL, Asus Rog or Last Chance) | ||
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vyzion
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 22 2021 05:34 Poopi wrote: Well time zones and late night fatigue suck but the worst is plain and simple cross server lag. Either way the world champion will have an asterisk next to his name Fair enough but tis the world we’re in right now unfortunately. Plenty of traditional sports have had champions crowned with varying degrees of asterisks attached over the last year or so. Seems to me that people attach that asterisk as firmly as they want depending on who wins haha | ||
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Asunanas
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Stay safe and healthy everyone! | ||
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RKC
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On January 22 2021 09:30 RKC wrote: Postponement wasn't possible? I know the calendar may have been set, especially for GSL. But I'm sure a 2-week window can be found in summer/fall? my guess is still a ton of uncertainty. and it would mess up the rest of the their calendar. they want to do a finals and have some semblance of a off-season. if they delay to to the summer then what do they do til then? Have a new season and then have the previous years finals in the middle of the season? I'm sure theirs also a lot of other deals and things locked in so you just can't rearrange a years worth of events and planning. The best thing to do is probably just get it over with then hit the offseason and hopefully when events show up again things are better. With the general amount of impossibility to accurately know where things are going to be and having exact dates you can end up delaying it to where it has no meaning. It also might hurt viewership having it at a weird date. also for a bunch of players I'm sure it factors into their expense planning and some of them might struggle if their pay is getting delayed 2-3 months. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On January 22 2021 13:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: my guess is still a ton of uncertainty. and it would mess up the rest of the their calendar. they want to do a finals and have some semblance of a off-season. if they delay to to the summer then what do they do til then? Have a new season and then have the previous years finals in the middle of the season? I'm sure theirs also a lot of other deals and things locked in so you just can't rearrange a years worth of events and planning. The best thing to do is probably just get it over with then hit the offseason and hopefully when events show up again things are better. With the general amount of impossibility to accurately know where things are going to be and having exact dates you can end up delaying it to where it has no meaning. It also might hurt viewership having it at a weird date. also for a bunch of players I'm sure it factors into their expense planning and some of them might struggle if their pay is getting delayed 2-3 months. You're talking best case scenario too. The reality is a postponement until ideal conditions would be a huge shot in the dark. We still don't even have good reason to think things will be possible in 9-12 months, let alone a few. The scene needs major tournaments and the players need some sort of season structure to work towards. This is the new norm for now, and I think it's better if we don't get our hopes up too much for that to change any time soon. I'd prefer to focus our efforts into improving the equality of the online conditions as much as possible, with better scheduling and the like. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On January 22 2021 14:40 blooblooblahblah wrote: You're talking best case scenario too. The reality is a postponement until ideal conditions would be a huge shot in the dark. We still don't even have good reason to think things will be possible in 9-12 months, let alone a few. The scene needs major tournaments and the players need some sort of season structure to work towards. This is the new norm for now, and I think it's better if we don't get our hopes up too much for that to change any time soon. I'd prefer to focus our efforts into improving the equality of the online conditions as much as possible, with better scheduling and the like. Yes, I totally get this. My work involves a lot of annual events and competitions. Since summer of 2020, the major ones already decided to go online for events in early 2021, come what may. So the organisers had a lot of time to make adjustments. Katowice was determined to go offline. That's fine. But since they have committed to this path, the proper response would be postponement, I feel. Rather than making a late transition to online, with little time to prepare. This is not meant to be super critical of them. I suppose there's pressure to be ambitious and aim for offline, but things just turn to the worst unexpectedly (such as the variant). Just an observation, that's all. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
I feel like this would have been the prefect opportunity to change the schedule completely and make the world championship at the end of the year (somewhat like it was with blizzcon). It always felt wrong to me to make like a 3 week christmas break and then do WC as the first thing in the year. I would do like 4 seasons (grand slams) and then the big bang at the beginning of december or sth to close out the year | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2021 08:04 Darkhorse wrote: Fair enough but tis the world we’re in right now unfortunately. Plenty of traditional sports have had champions crowned with varying degrees of asterisks attached over the last year or so. Seems to me that people attach that asterisk as firmly as they want depending on who wins haha I mean you can pretend that that LA OG were fine and all medals are at their full value. Similarily all the medals awarded at Moscow were not devaluated. But realistically in many sports the best didn't win as they weren't there. Similarily here, the best may suffer from ping and some especially from the time zone fatigue. I agree, it's the world we're living in. But let's not pretend this is equal to playing offline... (i'm not saying you said that, but Katowice really deserve the asterisk) | ||
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