Lilbow returns to SC2 joins Archangel Gaming

On January 12 2021 05:38 BaneRiders wrote:


Still salty?

WB Lilbow, blink micro never went completely out of fashion...

On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote:
For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this?

On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote:

Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon.

People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes.
It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance.

On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like

On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like

On January 12 2021 12:55 Woosixion wrote:


I think it's important to note that the cheeses were like 6p/10p/14p allins.. something that diamond protosses of the time could have held with relative ease, to chalk those losses up to practice was ridiculous lmao...

On January 12 2021 16:32 ImplodingKittens12 wrote:
Not to be rude, what's archangel gaming? I've never heard of them. I hope lilbow isn't just really desperate for a progaming job and getting taken advantage of.

On January 12 2021 08:44 Poopi wrote:

He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik!
I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news.
Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2?

On January 12 2021 19:24 Steelghost1 wrote:
I may be wrong but I never got the feeling that Lilbow would succeed in LOTV, his play was always centered around strong 2 base all ins and tricky builds such as going for insane amount of stalkers so he could hit very specific timings in the midgame. His macro never seemed great and it does not seem like you can go immortal sentry/collossus stalker max or just plain gateway all ins anymore.

Good luck to him. It would be very interesting to see how he adapts to such a different apm intensive game as LOTV.

On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like

On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote:

Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon.

People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes.
It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance.

On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote:
For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this?

On January 12 2021 21:12 deacon.frost wrote:

I love how certain people know me better than I do myself... stop commenting on me finally, epsecially when you're trying to read my mind and you fail at it.

On January 12 2021 08:44 Poopi wrote:

He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik!
I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news.
Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2?

On January 12 2021 19:42 Harris1st wrote:


Zest and his bank beg to differ ^^

On January 13 2021 08:24 Xamo wrote:
Has he had any success in OW?

On January 13 2021 04:17 deacon.frost wrote:

OTOH it would be great to have a good Protoss winning something outside the Korea. And unless HuK or NaNiwa find their lost mojo and fully properly return(which is unlikely), Lilbow has the biggest chance. He was really good back then.

(OK, maybe Neeb can find his 2016 form again, which would be great)

Edit> Like c'mon, it happened 5 years ago, let it go. Also let Let It Go go!

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On January 12 2021 22:19 FFW_Rude wrote:


Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans.

He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe

On January 13 2021 20:13 deacon.frost wrote:

Hmm, nope, didn't forget anyone. Like I get why people hype him, but do you really expect Showtime to win anything important? Since his 2016 WCS victory he didn't win any premier tournament. Don't get me wrong, he's good at winning weeklies and even some qualifiers. But once the tournament starts he somehow doesn't deliver for whatever reason. I would love to be surprised though, because I can see the possibility. Like my heat says yes, but brain says nope.

On January 14 2021 00:58 Harris1st wrote:


This calls for a Foreign Protoss Power Rank!

1. Showtime
2. Neeb
3. Astrea
4. Mana
5. Nice
6. Drogo
7. Has
8. Harstem
9. MaxPax

I feel like I missed someone ^^

On January 14 2021 06:48 FunKaDeLiC wrote:
People are hating on a great player that showed more results in a year than most others in half a decade. Yes, his "excuses" on the 3-0 debacle (talk about an an amazing format) were bad and even I can't argue against it, but I find it hilarious that people can be that salty about it years after when he arguably was the best foreigner in 2015 producing high quality games.

As for the OW informations being thrown around by people that have 100% no idea what they are talking about except for #65, he ended up being crowned OW Contenders Europe champion twice, before transitioning to a coach position in an actual OWLeague team.

His team (Eagle Gaming) was considered to be one of the greatest team to play the GOATs composition that was so dominant. A lot revolved around his ability to make plays with a non shiny role of Lucio.

All i'm saying is; he's one of the actual best foreigners to play sc2, reached great results in an other esports (it's not like there are dozens of players that have that ability to be champions in two totally different games) and still gets shitted on. I guess this is internet.

On January 14 2021 01:29 VengefulTree wrote:
Nobody seems to be talking about Lilbow's peak form outside of "he was good for a foreigner".

Of course I'm a fan, but at the time the way Lilbow shred through his fellow foreigners was insane. He had the best killer instinct I've ever seen in a foreigner, especially knowing their tendencies to gain leads and then throw them away (qxc vs Jaedong I believe?).

I remember Lilbow doing things like cancelling 2/2 in a heartbeat the second he saw an opportunity to kill bunny. His blink all-ins in PvT and forcefield micro in PvZ were just ruthless.

Also, let's not forget he challenged Hydra multiple times, during an era where he just never lost against foreigners. He ended beating him 3-2 on it's way to his championship, including a game where he came back after being down 1 base to three, on the back of his forcefield micro.

+ Show Spoiler +

Of course he then fell off in Lotv but during the ending of Hots he was truly a special player.

EDIT : Added this crazy defense :

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 14 2021 04:36 stilt wrote:
He had insane mechanics... But I remember him as being pretty arrogant and antipathic. Well, him or me, people can change.
Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses.

Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be.

On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote:
I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...).
Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either).

On January 14 2021 02:12 Poaktree wrote:

About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj

On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote:

Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon.

People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes.
It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance.

On January 16 2021 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player?

On January 17 2021 09:16 JoeCool wrote:


Nah, Naniwa vs. Polt holds that title. Also Polt still the first and only player to win a Bo5 (or Bo3?) with only one match played.

On topic: Not sure if we'll ever see anything of him. I doubt it.

On January 20 2021 06:40 Die4Ever wrote:

I don't think I ever heard about that, is there a thread for that?