Lilbow returns to SC2 joins Archangel Gaming
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On January 12 2021 05:32 Durnuu wrote: All that practice for LotV pre-Blizzcon 2015 will finally pay off Still salty? WB Lilbow, blink micro never went completely out of fashion... | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:38 BaneRiders wrote: Still salty? WB Lilbow, blink micro never went completely out of fashion... I fail to see how this is salt. I'm mocking him. | ||
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BaneRiders
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On January 12 2021 05:40 Durnuu wrote: I fail to see how this is salt. I'm mocking him. You sound salty to me. Bitter. Brooding. Betrayed. Never forgiving. Never forgetting. Salty AF. | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:44 BaneRiders wrote: You sound salty to me. Bitter. Brooding. Betrayed. Never forgiving. Never forgetting. Salty AF. I found that hilarious ^^ | ||
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I have already watched some of his streams. | ||
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On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote: For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this? Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. He didn't really say "it is hard to find practice partners" (that was his excuse after the loss), but he straight on said beforehand "nah, I didn't practice at all, because I want to be strong in LotV and I couldn't beat Life or Innovation (next opponent) anyway". And that is what made people so angry (btw noch just fans, but also shoutcasters and even TLO mocked him for it). He had a chance to greatness and threw it away, because he wanted to get a headstart in an addon for which players like Nerchio trained half a year already... And since in LotV he never managed to do anything of importance, it easily became a meme... | ||
Shuffleblade
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Also I find it kind of funny that the new picture with Lilbow in Archangel shirt seems to be his liquipedia image from 2015 when he was on Millenium but photoshopped. | ||
Poopi
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On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote: Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik! I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news. Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2? | ||
blooblooblahblah
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He'll need to macro better than he did in the past IMO, his micro is obviously very good but often building up a bank in the meantime. In HotS Blink era you could afford to do that, modern LotV is a little more punishing. | ||
deacon.frost
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On January 12 2021 08:27 Shuffleblade wrote: For people wanting to read up on the blizzcon 2015 there is quite a few of the tweets and general gist of things written heretl.net Also I find it kind of funny that the new picture with Lilbow in Archangel shirt seems to be his liquipedia image from 2015 when he was on Millenium but photoshopped. Wasn't this the first real drama about foreigners v Koreans? Ah, the good old times. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
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On January 12 2021 08:27 Shuffleblade wrote: For people wanting to read up on the blizzcon 2015 there is quite a few of the tweets and general gist of things written heretl.net Also I find it kind of funny that the new picture with Lilbow in Archangel shirt seems to be his liquipedia image from 2015 when he was on Millenium but photoshopped. Lmao good catch. It's not a bad photoshop job either. | ||
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Woosixion
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On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. I think it's important to note that the cheeses were like 6p/10p/14p allins.. something that diamond protosses of the time could have held with relative ease, to chalk those losses up to practice was ridiculous lmao... | ||
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Akio
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On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote: Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like I'm wondering this too. Not that I don't want him to do well, quite the opposite. Just makes you wonder what triggered his comeback. Maybe he just started to stream for fun again and enjoyed it enough to come back lol | ||
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On January 12 2021 12:55 Woosixion wrote: I think it's important to note that the cheeses were like 6p/10p/14p allins.. something that diamond protosses of the time could have held with relative ease, to chalk those losses up to practice was ridiculous lmao... So you are telling me a diamond Protoss could have held vs Life cheesing? Interesting Welcome back Lilbow! Tell us something what you did in the last 5 years, tell us about yourself. We would like to know you (again) :D | ||
Harris1st
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On January 12 2021 16:32 ImplodingKittens12 wrote: Not to be rude, what's archangel gaming? I've never heard of them. I hope lilbow isn't just really desperate for a progaming job and getting taken advantage of. Archangel Gaming Team with lots of semi pro/ pro players. For example SortOf , ShaDoWn or Spatz | ||
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On January 12 2021 08:44 Poopi wrote: He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik! I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news. Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2? I've heard he practiced a lot of SC2 during his time as Overwatch pro so he might be able to compete well. | ||
SmoKim
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While i understand the meme-value of it all, its great that old players (especially good one like Lilbow was, concidering he was the only foreigner who qualified for Blizzcon) returns. I hope more will follow. Another (good, hopefully) Protoss is also great. Best of luck to him | ||
Steelghost1
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Good luck to him. It would be very interesting to see how he adapts to such a different apm intensive game as LOTV. | ||
True_Spike
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Still can't forgive you for beating Mana in that WCS final though! | ||
Harris1st
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On January 12 2021 19:24 Steelghost1 wrote: I may be wrong but I never got the feeling that Lilbow would succeed in LOTV, his play was always centered around strong 2 base all ins and tricky builds such as going for insane amount of stalkers so he could hit very specific timings in the midgame. His macro never seemed great and it does not seem like you can go immortal sentry/collossus stalker max or just plain gateway all ins anymore. Good luck to him. It would be very interesting to see how he adapts to such a different apm intensive game as LOTV. Zest and his bank beg to differ ^^ | ||
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On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote: Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like Hilarious. If any vaguely known korean would have returned you'd be ecstatic... Welcome back, Lilbow! User was warned for this post | ||
deacon.frost
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On January 12 2021 21:01 Xain0n wrote: Hilarious. If any vaguely known korean would have returned you'd be ecstatic... Welcome back, Lilbow! I love how certain people know me better than I do myself... stop commenting on me finally, epsecially when you're trying to read my mind and you fail at it. | ||
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Luolis
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On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. Blink era was over in early 2014 already. | ||
FFW_Rude
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On January 12 2021 06:58 starvingbox wrote: For newcomers to the scene, who exactly is this? Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans. He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe | ||
Xain0n
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On January 12 2021 21:12 deacon.frost wrote: I love how certain people know me better than I do myself... stop commenting on me finally, epsecially when you're trying to read my mind and you fail at it. I know very few of you, I know extremely well how you post on Tl.net. On January 12 2021 08:44 Poopi wrote: He was playing Overwatch at semi-pro or pro level afaik! I don’t know why he is returning though, but I saw him tweet about his streams recently so I am not totally surprised by the news. Maybe he thinks OW future is worse for him than sc2? I asked him on Twitch and he replied that he desired to stream and that he thought Sc2 was the most logical choice. | ||
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sneakyfox
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The thing about Zest though is that he is masterful at macroing up until that point were he just banks resources while doing only micro. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On January 13 2021 03:08 coogerdark wrote: I hope he comes back in good form, but as far as lingering resentment toward him as he's coming back goes, it wasn't like he quietly left the SC2 scene for OW. As far as I recall, there were a fair amount of parting shots from him at SC2 as a game while he was heading out the door. OTOH it would be great to have a good Protoss winning something outside the Korea. And unless HuK or NaNiwa find their lost mojo and fully properly return(which is unlikely), Lilbow has the biggest chance. He was really good back then. (OK, maybe Neeb can find his 2016 form again, which would be great) Edit> Like c'mon, it happened 5 years ago, let it go. Also let Let It Go go! | ||
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On January 12 2021 05:41 argonautdice wrote: Does this mean SC3 is getting released soon? couldn't help but to laugh out loud | ||
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On January 13 2021 08:24 Xamo wrote: Has he had any success in OW? not that I know of, he's on no Overwatch league teams. | ||
Harris1st
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On January 13 2021 04:17 deacon.frost wrote: OTOH it would be great to have a good Protoss winning something outside the Korea. And unless HuK or NaNiwa find their lost mojo and fully properly return(which is unlikely), Lilbow has the biggest chance. He was really good back then. (OK, maybe Neeb can find his 2016 form again, which would be great) Edit> Like c'mon, it happened 5 years ago, let it go. Also let Let It Go go! You forgot a Protoss! I give you a tip: a vertical structure, often made of stone or brick, that divides or surrounds something On January 12 2021 22:19 FFW_Rude wrote: Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans. He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe Dude that is harsh! He won quite a few matches vs Korean opposition like JD, TY, ForGG, Rain, ... | ||
HuuYiko
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On January 13 2021 08:24 Xamo wrote: Has he had any success in OW? I haven't seen him in any semi-pro or pro game since 2017. I don't think he ever tried to get into a non mediocre OW level | ||
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deacon.frost
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On January 13 2021 16:13 Harris1st wrote: You forgot a Protoss! I give you a tip: + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2021 22:19 FFW_Rude wrote: Someone that was "good" because of region lock and that everybody suck on like he was going to be the next great foreigner but had absolutly no chance of beating Koreans. He won one WCS and placed a few time second i believe Dude that is harsh! He won quite a few matches vs Korean opposition like JD, TY, ForGG, Rain, .. Hmm, nope, didn't forget anyone. Like I get why people hype him, but do you really expect Showtime to win anything important? Since his 2016 WCS victory he didn't win any premier tournament. Don't get me wrong, he's good at winning weeklies and even some qualifiers. But once the tournament starts he somehow doesn't deliver for whatever reason. I would love to be surprised though, because I can see the possibility. Like my heat says yes, but brain says nope. | ||
Harris1st
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On January 13 2021 20:13 deacon.frost wrote: Hmm, nope, didn't forget anyone. Like I get why people hype him, but do you really expect Showtime to win anything important? Since his 2016 WCS victory he didn't win any premier tournament. Don't get me wrong, he's good at winning weeklies and even some qualifiers. But once the tournament starts he somehow doesn't deliver for whatever reason. I would love to be surprised though, because I can see the possibility. Like my heat says yes, but brain says nope. This calls for a Foreign Protoss Power Rank! 1. Showtime 2. Neeb 3. Astrea 4. Mana 5. Nice 6. Drogo 7. Has 8. Harstem 9. MaxPax I feel like I missed someone ^^ | ||
VengefulTree
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Of course I'm a fan, but at the time the way Lilbow shred through his fellow foreigners was insane. He had the best killer instinct I've ever seen in a foreigner, especially knowing their tendencies to gain leads and then throw them away (qxc vs Jaedong I believe?). I remember Lilbow doing things like cancelling 2/2 in a heartbeat the second he saw an opportunity to kill bunny. His blink all-ins in PvT and forcefield micro in PvZ were just ruthless. Also, let's not forget he challenged Hydra multiple times, during an era where he just never lost against foreigners. He ended beating him 3-2 on it's way to his championship, including a game where he came back after being down 1 base to three, on the back of his forcefield micro. + Show Spoiler + Of course he then fell off in Lotv but during the ending of Hots he was truly a special player. EDIT : Added this crazy defense : + Show Spoiler + | ||
dbRic1203
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On January 14 2021 00:58 Harris1st wrote: This calls for a Foreign Protoss Power Rank! 1. Showtime 2. Neeb 3. Astrea 4. Mana 5. Nice 6. Drogo 7. Has 8. Harstem 9. MaxPax I feel like I missed someone ^^ Maxpax between Nice and Drogo, otherwise accurate for me | ||
Poaktree
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On January 12 2021 07:32 deacon.frost wrote: Now honestly, what was he doing the time and why is he returning now? Is he more optimistic about the future than the rest of us, or he didn't notice how the European scene looks like I only follow Overwatch and SC2 when it comes to esports so I can fill in a bit. lilbow has been playing professionally for a while, actually since the very beginning. Most of his accomplishments were in Tier 2 Overwatch though; the Overwatch scene has a major Tier 1 scene which the Overwatch League (OWL) and a T2 scene that is composed of various regions (contenders) all over the world. OWL is dominated by Koreans and in the T2 scene most of the eyes are also to the Korean T2 scene. Those players often get the highest chance when it comes to landing trials and so on. Also since OW has a high demand on real-time communication, it gets challenging to build mixed teams, meaning, a lot of teams opt for all-Korean players. Although mixed teams exist and the most successful team in OW is actually a mixed team. As I said, most of lilbow's accomplishments were in T2. He has been generally in a lot of good EU T2 teams and I have cheered for him whenever I watched him play in T2. However, he was not the most eye-catching player. He was never bad but he also was never that dominant player. In OW, he mostly support which is kind of a stacked role and it is a bit difficult to stand out, however, there are a number of standout support players and it's very hard to compete with them. About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj | ||
stilt
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Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses. Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be. | ||
FunKaDeLiC
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As for the OW informations being thrown around by people that have 100% no idea what they are talking about except for #65, he ended up being crowned OW Contenders Europe champion twice, before transitioning to a coach position in an actual OWLeague team. His team (Eagle Gaming) was considered to be one of the greatest team to play the GOATs composition that was so dominant. A lot revolved around his ability to make plays with a non shiny role of Lucio. All i'm saying is; he's one of the actual best foreigners to play sc2, reached great results in an other esports (it's not like there are dozens of players that have that ability to be champions in two totally different games) and still gets shitted on. I guess this is internet. | ||
Shuffleblade
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On January 14 2021 06:48 FunKaDeLiC wrote: People are hating on a great player that showed more results in a year than most others in half a decade. Yes, his "excuses" on the 3-0 debacle (talk about an an amazing format) were bad and even I can't argue against it, but I find it hilarious that people can be that salty about it years after when he arguably was the best foreigner in 2015 producing high quality games. As for the OW informations being thrown around by people that have 100% no idea what they are talking about except for #65, he ended up being crowned OW Contenders Europe champion twice, before transitioning to a coach position in an actual OWLeague team. His team (Eagle Gaming) was considered to be one of the greatest team to play the GOATs composition that was so dominant. A lot revolved around his ability to make plays with a non shiny role of Lucio. All i'm saying is; he's one of the actual best foreigners to play sc2, reached great results in an other esports (it's not like there are dozens of players that have that ability to be champions in two totally different games) and still gets shitted on. I guess this is internet. So "people" are hating and shitting on him? I am very curious which posters you are replying to because most posts here do not fit the description of hating on him (even though there are one or two of those). Mentioning his starcraft 2 past because that is what most of remember about him is not hating. Regarding the overwatch misinformation you are right about that and it was really interesting to read how his time in OW has been since I had no idea. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15614 Posts
On January 14 2021 01:29 VengefulTree wrote: Nobody seems to be talking about Lilbow's peak form outside of "he was good for a foreigner". Of course I'm a fan, but at the time the way Lilbow shred through his fellow foreigners was insane. He had the best killer instinct I've ever seen in a foreigner, especially knowing their tendencies to gain leads and then throw them away (qxc vs Jaedong I believe?). I remember Lilbow doing things like cancelling 2/2 in a heartbeat the second he saw an opportunity to kill bunny. His blink all-ins in PvT and forcefield micro in PvZ were just ruthless. Also, let's not forget he challenged Hydra multiple times, during an era where he just never lost against foreigners. He ended beating him 3-2 on it's way to his championship, including a game where he came back after being down 1 base to three, on the back of his forcefield micro. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdutNZO8Wvo&ab_channel=SC2HL Of course he then fell off in Lotv but during the ending of Hots he was truly a special player. EDIT : Added this crazy defense : + Show Spoiler + https://youtu.be/LbHIJK-dJcs I mean, he was the best foreigner in an era were foreigners were shit. challenging Hydra is nice and all but Hydra back then was far from being a top korean player either and he himself admitted he wouldn't have a chance at going far at Blizzcon even if he practiced. Of course it demands respect that he was at one point the best foreigner but we don't need to have any delusions about his skill level back then. | ||
Poopi
France12463 Posts
Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). | ||
Creager
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On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). So with this assessment of yours in mind it makes even less sense for him to (re)-join the playing field now IMHO. As much as I welcome any player infusion to the competitive scene nowadays, Lilbow just brings up a bitter taste in my mouth plus I don't consider him a staple of the community in total, but let's wait and see if he can have any impact. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). It's just based on his past and people would like to see win some Protoss. And Lilbow was able to do that. Will he be able to do that again? Nobody knows. Same thing applied to Taeja when he returned. | ||
Harris1st
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On January 14 2021 04:36 stilt wrote: He had insane mechanics... But I remember him as being pretty arrogant and antipathic. Well, him or me, people can change. Other than that, he enjoyed a real favorable meta before getting schred into pieces by Life and resorting the worst excuses. Anyway, I am still curious to see what his performance will be. Finally someone with an edge to him I say I miss Naniwa and Idra. | ||
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Elentos
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On January 14 2021 08:26 Poopi wrote: I don’t really understand why people think he has a shot at having better results than the best foreign Protoss. I don’t think he ever reached ShoWTimE / Neeb or even Astrea level (well Astrea is too young so they didn’t play the same extension at the same time, and Neeb probably was still Terran during hots...). Still cool to see old faces coming back, and maybe he can still obtain good results in LotV; since he will be a total outsider nowadays there won’t be as much pressure to perform as in early LotV (which was also close to the whole BlizzCon thing, and didn’t help to perform either). Just for the record Neeb was already playing Protoss when Lilbow won WCS. | ||
lechatnoir
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On January 14 2021 02:12 Poaktree wrote: About a year ago, he made it to OWL as a coach for Toronto Defiant, one of the OWL team, generally considered to be middle of the pack or in the bottom half. But things didn't work out too well for him and he was released about 4 months ago. Here's his twitlonger about that: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srd4vj That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On January 15 2021 23:35 lechatnoir wrote: That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. Didn't realize what OWL means and I was thinking he was into falconry with owls >< It's similar as when i see gg I wonder why General Grievous is being summoned . This Friday was really mentally exhausting. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42202 Posts
On January 12 2021 07:07 Poopi wrote: Foreigners struggled a lot vs koreans before region lock, especially during HotS. During last HotS year (2015 iirc), Lilbow who is a french protoss player became the best foreigner, mostly on the back of his great blink play (during protoss blink era), and was the only foreigner to qualify for BlizzCon. People thus had high hopes for him, and he got cheesed thrice by Life and lost the bo5 3-0 in something like 30 minutes. It would have been relatively harmless if he didn't say that with everyone practicing LotV, it was hard to find practice partners or something like this. People started mocking him for what they considered a poor excuse for his performance. I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? | ||
VengefulTree
Canada637 Posts
On January 16 2021 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? Who else would it be? According to the 2015 global standings, Lilbow is 13th while the next foreigner is Snute at 26th. Wasn't a very hot year for foreigners Reference | ||
Poopi
France12463 Posts
On January 16 2021 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm glad to see that Lilbow is playing again, and I hope he does well, but let's not pretend he was ever the best foreigner for the year 2015. Unless you mean that he was the best French Protoss player? Well I did not follow sc2 that much in this period but if he was the sole foreigner qualified to BlizzCon, doesn't that make him the de facto best foreigner that year? | ||
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CicadaSC
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On January 16 2021 05:35 NonY wrote: the game has changed a lot since his peak but i think he'll rise to the new level set by current players Omg it's Nony as well. I wonder if we'll get to see Nony vs Lilbow in 2021?? | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20688 Posts
On January 15 2021 23:35 lechatnoir wrote: That was quite inetresting. I had no real idea what an OWL coach would actually do. Shame his time was cut short there. I'm curious to see him play again. Yeah was an interesting read. Obviously it’s his side of things but it sounds like he has a pretty good mentality in knowing what’s needed to succeed and analysing problems. Hopefully it serves him well in his return to SC2, feel he gets a bit too much flak really for the sake of one Blizzcon. Not really his fault he was the sole foreign hope there. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
On January 17 2021 03:12 outscar wrote: Lolbow... Life vs. him fastest bo5 never forgetti! Nah, Naniwa vs. Polt holds that title. Also Polt still the first and only player to win a Bo5 (or Bo3?) with only one match played. On topic: Not sure if we'll ever see anything of him. I doubt it. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 17 2021 09:16 JoeCool wrote: Nah, Naniwa vs. Polt holds that title. Also Polt still the first and only player to win a Bo5 (or Bo3?) with only one match played. On topic: Not sure if we'll ever see anything of him. I doubt it. That match makes even more sense years later now that we learn that it was allegedly Polt that leaked Naniwa's replays to MVP ahead of their GSL Ro8 match. Well adds more context I should say, it still doesn't make sense to not even play | ||
Pentarp
185 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:29 chipmonklord17 wrote: That match makes even more sense years later now that we learn that it was allegedly Polt that leaked Naniwa's replays to MVP ahead of their GSL Ro8 match. Well adds more context I should say, it still doesn't make sense to not even play Doesn't make sense at all why you would give up on a chance at revenge against someone who might have wronged you. Read this | ||
Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Stetkaer
Denmark23 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17430 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:29 chipmonklord17 wrote: That match makes even more sense years later now that we learn that it was allegedly Polt that leaked Naniwa's replays to MVP ahead of their GSL Ro8 match. Well adds more context I should say, it still doesn't make sense to not even play I don't think I ever heard about that, is there a thread for that? | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 20 2021 06:40 Die4Ever wrote: I don't think I ever heard about that, is there a thread for that? Thorin did an interview with Naniwa a month or two ago and Naniwa mentions it about 20 minutes in. I knew back in the day there was a rumor that someone leaked his vods to Mvp but I don't think the name came out until this interview. Its one of those things where 10 years out I don't see why Naniwa would lie, but obviously his source is just Startale players telling him so there's no proof it was Polt. | ||
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