I was expecting a rather one-sided discussion when I saw that Pylon show. I really shouldn't have, because I don't know much about Neuroswarm or ThatBronzeGirl. I think I'm just a tad cynical about internet shows and complex issues. The LiquidDota & TL threads on accusations/corroboration was bad for most of it's pages.

It was very even handed. Most of the counterarguments I always seen passed over were brought up, and discussed. It even brings up that nasty subject of how nerdy gamers going through the early stages of learning/failing to learn social interactions that aren't romantic interactions (The old joke is that Incels & Excel incorrectly assume everything is a date). Major props to ThatBronzeGirl for a balanced take.

What a gem. Props to Artosis.

sparklyresidue

United States5523 Posts

July 09 2020 23:37 GMT

#42

Cool for the Tosis to do a show like this.

h20Fanatic

22 Posts

July 09 2020 23:42 GMT

#43

On July 10 2020 06:40 Zidane wrote:
The guy is literally propping up a strawman argument that no one is making then poking holes into his own premise lol. Sorry cancel culture has you all bent out of shape. I can imagine debating this guy on things like BLM and the existence of White Privilege, he'd probably flip his shit.

My great grandparents migrated from italy in the 60s. My family tree has zero ties to slavery, at all. we also lived in a black and white neighborhood. everyone had the same "privilege". Growing up, there was always black and white people around me. Everyone received the same level of opportunities. Did i experience white privilege? no. Do i think its real? It could be, in other places around the states. I protested already and put my life on the line to risk being killed by cops to represent equality(yup they are beating up and killing white people too out there durign the protests). Go do something other than sitting behind a keyboard and don't you ever judge me again.

Any adult that reads this thread will be able to see that i've asked hard hitting questions that coincide with the sc2 scene's abuse narrative. All original posts got screenshotted for my records. They can also see that each person responding was aggressive in responding and that several users attempt to cyber bully me in response to asking questions. Why does it bother you so much that I ask these questions that you feel the need to personally attack a person on an internet forum? I thought the whole point of the anti-abuse movement was to stop that behavior in the community. Why are you setting a bad example for your peers?

How come the influencers didn't speak a single word about holding the company accountable where multiple abuses took place? They even did a section on accountability but neglected to mention what the plan is for holding the company accountable. After all, that company is involved in their scene. Is there a financial conflict of interest at hand as to why they wouldn't say anything? Are any of you familiar with the legal term aiding and abetting?

*Entire sc2 scene dodges all questions**

So there you have it folks, An opportunity for actual justice. Yet nobody is taking that opportunity. It's interesting to see that when there is a real opportunity for justice, the social justice warriors don't even take it. It's as if justice isn't their intention at all. To those who think it's their duty to lecture others on morals....

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WarSame

Canada1950 Posts

July 10 2020 01:36 GMT

#44

On July 10 2020 08:18 BronzeKnee wrote:

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Haha all I was thinking about was this as I read this h20Fanatic's posts: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

So glad someone else saw it!

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Let me answer that question... even though that lacks a question mark...

Not a single person said it was okay. You're trying to manipulate people and use false equivalency to prove something. That only works on fools. And it is only spouted by fools.

That's why it's a strawman. I'm seriously impressed with the rest of the people here. TL is the best forum, it's too good for people like me honestly.

I've been impressed by the number of people who have been involved to tell the person they were wrong, yet also avoid taking the strawman bait. I don't think anyone's actually fallen for that trap here at all which is impressive.

ThunderJunk

United States677 Posts

July 10 2020 02:39 GMT

#45

Remember your teachings TL. All who gain power are afraid to lose it. Even the SJWs.

- The SJWs use their power for good.

Good is a point of view, TL. The apathetic and the SJWs are similar in almost every way.. including their quest for greater power.

- The apathetic rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

And the SJWs don't?

- The SJWs are selfless. They only care about others.

... Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Rapid, the Endowed?

WombaT

Northern Ireland25082 Posts

July 10 2020 15:06 GMT

#46

On July 10 2020 11:39 ThunderJunk wrote:
Remember your teachings TL. All who gain power are afraid to lose it. Even the SJWs.

- The SJWs use their power for good.

Good is a point of view, TL. The apathetic and the SJWs are similar in almost every way.. including their quest for greater power.

- The apathetic rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

And the SJWs don't?

- The SJWs are selfless. They only care about others.

... Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Rapid, the Endowed?

What? :S

Timebon3s

Norway688 Posts

July 11 2020 07:49 GMT

#47

It’s one show out of a houndred, it’s not a big deal. I didn’t watch it either because I kind of agree that it has nothing to do with me, but it isnt worth getting so upset about.

Thanks for all the work you are putting into this pylon show and starcraft in general

capu

Finland224 Posts

July 19 2020 12:03 GMT

#48

Good discussion. I would have liked to hear more about power imbalances, hierarchies and structural problems inside gaming communities that enable this sort of behavior and less about dating and life advice, because I don't think harassment is about dating. Artosis did ask if there are any best practices to avoid this sort of thing happening in the future but sadly the discussion was on a very personal level, which is important of course, but surely there are also some structural things to be done to e.g lower the threshold of reporting harassment or lower the threshold to hold someone accountable. Because there are no effective ways to act on those accusations within the community the only option is usually to go public. You did touch on the subject of power and how some people disguise their hidden agenda into a business venture and from what I've gathered harassment is more about power trip than socially awkward approaches and whatnot.

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