Pylon Show: Good is something we do, not something we are.…

On July 09 2020 12:44 JohnDelaney wrote:
I agree with some of what you said (ie. the show could've focused a little more on forming company/organization policies and less about lecturing the Starcraft community about consent, etc.) but you're not going to be taken seriously with your overly confrontational tone, using incendiary terms like "SJWism," and starting your argument by giving yourself black-and-white labels like being "anti-drama" over a topic like this. Clearly you're not actually "anti-drama" and have strong opinions over this when you're typing up a bunch of paragraphs.

On July 09 2020 13:30 johnnywup wrote:
You can tell someone has an empathy problem when they're more irritated at being exposed to an issue than the issue itself

On July 09 2020 14:17 h20Fanatic wrote:


It's a real shame that people did bad stuff to other people and It leaves us with serious questions left to be asked that should probably be answered. It super sucks that there are victims of abuse, i wish them a speedy recovery and hopefully they have receive the comfort and love from the their friends and family to bring them through the tough times to heal.

Do you think organizations/companies should be held accountable for facilitating a hostile work environment since it is against the law? Why did it go on for so long? Do you think there is a financial conflict of interest at hand as to why influencers aren't demanding a safer work environment or accountability for the company/organization involved in a incident in a linked thread.
i'm also curious if you also might have any answers for the questions i asked earlier the thread as well. This is interesting to discuss with you.

On July 09 2020 15:12 dbRic1203 wrote:
Here I am thinking we on TL . Net widly agreed in this topic and made a dumb, sarcastic reply to an even dumber comment.
Just to come back to this, where someone, who s "Anti-drama" created a new Account just to discuss this

Talking about it for more awarness in the community and taking reactions on corporate Level are NOT mutually exclusive.
Apollo, Who s in charge of the SC2 Major tournament organisation, tweeted about it and I m 100% sure je will put policies and authorities in place when Offline Events are Back. So that everyone visiting a Sc2 event can be mich more safer.
But it doesn t stop there.
In some of the stories thatcame to light, a more aware community would have helped a lot, so this "just talking about it" defnatly helps as well.

And if people like you whom are uninterestet in following a sport, that tries to be more inclusive and safe for everyone, are leaveing it for good, that s more a good thing than a bad thing as well.

On July 09 2020 15:26 h20Fanatic wrote:


I prefer to stay on topic. After all, the influencers did do a section on accountability in this very video so I believe the questions I asked are valid. you want things to be safer, I couldn't agree more, i'm with you buddy. That's why I am asking where is accountability for an organization/company that facilitated a hostile work environment for years? What new company policies do these organizations plan to put in place to maintain and facilitate a safe work environment and how do they plan to enforce them? We're all concerned about the safety of everyone here ans we should also need to think of the employees and the work environment. What do they plan to do about that? How come the influencers didn't talk about that? Why aren't they demanding accountability for an organization/company, according to a linked thread by another user, in which multiple abuses took place in? Organizations are responsible for keeping a safe work environment. Is it possible that there is a financial conflict of interest at hand as to why influencers stayed silent/didn't touch on this specific portion of the subject of accountability? I'm very curious as this pertains specifically to a topic they covered in the video, accountability.

I love following esports . Go Go team liquid

On July 09 2020 16:39 goiflin wrote:


We should be asking what organizations are going to do about it going forward. We should also discuss the personal experiences these people have suffered in these situations and support them. These are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy about conflict of interest. There's no need to draw lines about this sort of thing. It is disgusting that these people suffered these offenses. It isn't "SJWism" to discuss people being sexually harassed and calling out people for doing that sort of thing. It also isn't "SJWism" to ask organizations to also do their part in ensuring these sorts of environments aren't fostered. EVO is currently in the process of excising their tumors as it were. I'm sure others will follow suit, and it can't hurt to ask them why they aren't. If you want to do your part, why don't you go on twitter and ask them what their plan is moving forward?

On July 09 2020 17:42 h20Fanatic wrote:
No one said anything about a conspiracy. But really...influencers talk about accountability in the video. But what about accountability for the organization/company? How long did this permit. Are you aware a company has a duty to maintain a safe work environment? Many things i'm reading in the thread that happened are against the law. Do you think these people and organization(s)/company(ies) should get off scott free? Or do you think they should be held accountable for breaking the law? I asked a lot of other adults in my neighborhood the same thing, they like wait what? Some thing is fishy going on there they said, possibly even a financial conflict of interest when it comes to the influencers not mentioning anything about company accoutability they said. These people need to speak up they said.


EDIT: These parents aren't happy to see whats going on. Ya'll may have to deal with outrage from these parents of children in the community, I think they are starting to question as to whether or not online streamers are attempting to raise and influence their kids without parental consent as if the kids were their own. They also mentioned they were worried whether or not their kids are being groomed.

It appears that everyone dodges the "tough" questions about the situation.

On July 10 2020 06:40 Zidane wrote:
The guy is literally propping up a strawman argument that no one is making then poking holes into his own premise lol. Sorry cancel culture has you all bent out of shape. I can imagine debating this guy on things like BLM and the existence of White Privilege, he'd probably flip his shit.

On July 09 2020 11:58 h20Fanatic wrote:
How come you are okay with holding people accountable but fine with an organization facilitate a hostile work environment for years, in this very gaming scene.