EPTDo Casters Need To Be Good Players? - Page 4
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stilt
France2755 Posts
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Slydie
2002 Posts
Khaldor was the opposite for me, terrible humor, annoying personality and always trying to outsmart his co-casters. He is better alone doing his thing. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19384 Posts
Get excited about a moment -> engage with cocaster about exciting moment occuring -> translate to viewer why that moment was critical or exciting in the way the viewer could understand. Day9 succeed because he has a solid understanding of the fundamentals of SC2 and has the skill to identify and relate that to the audience. So the answer to me is no. You don't have to be a grandmaster chest player, you have to be someone who can see a chess player make a move, digest why they made that choice, and then explain it to everyone else. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 23 2020 22:03 Slydie wrote: I am actually a bit disappointed Grubby did not pursue a SC2 casting career. He was great during the first WCS (the one starting with national championships Parting won.) He had some great analysis, fantastic English, a nice dry humor and got along with whoever he was casting with. Rotti is also great at geling with anyone, the guy you would as a buddy. Khaldor was the opposite for me, terrible humor, annoying personality and always trying to outsmart his co-casters. He is better alone doing his thing. on grubby: same. i think he must have some kind of contract with blizzard. that's the only way i can explain his decisions through the years. people fuckin LOVE that guy he could be a premiere caster if he wanted to be. he seems like he is fine just playing wc3 ladder against scrubs forever for the rest of his life though lol on khaldor: i really enjoyed his casts even though a lot of things got in the way. his passion for the game, fleeting as it was apparently, was refreshing. | ||
Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Often they made some predictions, and looked surprised by the outcome while you just watch the army supply, and someone is way ahead than the other. There is no real good analytic casters on the main tournaments. Personnally for me the best cast is at HSC. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 23 2020 23:01 Tyrhanius wrote: Let's be honest, most SC2 casters are just here to cheer and make jokes. I've just watched a game from Maru vs Parting, and after 5min one of the caster realized an observer was above the Maru's army... Often they made some predictions, and looked surprised by the outcome while you just watch the army supply, and someone is way ahead than the other. There is no real good analytic casters on the main tournaments. Personnally for me the best cast is at HSC. yeah parting's observer over maru's rax was inexcusable. i wish i could have played that game. i still dont understand how he didn't see it/know it was there. the fact that is was only mentioned a couple of times in passing is troubling since they're supposed to be tops of the tops | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
Though if we go by TL standards, most of us are shitty players compared to the pros and it's not needed to be a good caster. | ||
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Slydie
2002 Posts
On May 23 2020 22:17 Alejandrisha wrote: on grubby: same. i think he must have some kind of contract with blizzard. that's the only way i can explain his decisions through the years. people fuckin LOVE that guy he could be a premiere caster if he wanted to be. he seems like he is fine just playing wc3 ladder against scrubs forever for the rest of his life though lol on khaldor: i really enjoyed his casts even though a lot of things got in the way. his passion for the game, fleeting as it was apparently, was refreshing. To Khaldor's credit, yes he is very passionate, seems to prepare well is is pretty good at play-by-play seeing what goes on. At one point he was pretty much the only one to have any idea about casting Heroes of the Storm. I had no chance to name all those spells cast even though I played the game. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
to be a great color caster, not really. but if you lack the playing skill, you need TONS of experience with watching the game imo. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:59 Slydie wrote: To Khaldor's credit, yes he is very passionate, seems to prepare well is is pretty good at play-by-play seeing what goes on. At one point he was pretty much the only one to have any idea about casting Heroes of the Storm. I had no chance to name all those spells cast even though I played the game. i didn't follow him when he switched games but i'm sure he brought the same khaldor we all know and love to it and did the best he could. i can never talk bad about the guys like him who really love the game and put their time into casting it. i really hope he gets everything he wants xD | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18426 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:00 Alejandrisha wrote: yeah parting's observer over maru's rax was inexcusable. i wish i could have played that game. i still dont understand how he didn't see it/know it was there. the fact that is was only mentioned a couple of times in passing is troubling since they're supposed to be tops of the tops You only really need to mention it a few times tho. The first time to draw attention to it, and then every now and then remark that it's still there and the reason Parting's attack is getting anything done. If as a viewer you ever wonder whether it's still there, the screen was over the attack enough time that you could see for yourself. And then after the match they were still laughing about how long it sat there (and pointed out in the next game that this time Maru scanned and killed the observers in his base). It seemed fine to me. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10841 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:00 Alejandrisha wrote: i wish i could have played that game. In the heat of the moment, you can't judge someone's mistakes in a live GSL game, it is a little different than Ladder. =P | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 24 2020 02:36 GGzerG wrote: In the heat of the moment, you can't judge someone's mistakes in a live GSL game, it is a little different than Ladder. =P truer words have never been typed. that was absolutely a hyperbole. you get what i mean  | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 24 2020 02:17 Acrofales wrote: You only really need to mention it a few times tho. The first time to draw attention to it, and then every now and then remark that it's still there and the reason Parting's attack is getting anything done. If as a viewer you ever wonder whether it's still there, the screen was over the attack enough time that you could see for yourself. And then after the match they were still laughing about how long it sat there (and pointed out in the next game that this time Maru scanned and killed the observers in his base). It seemed fine to me. you have to not only mention it every time information is extracted but constantly harrangue maru for not knowing this information was being extracted. even in practice games against clan mates i never ever have had an obs survive that long in a terran base..... in WOLHOTS | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46323 Posts
On May 24 2020 01:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i didn't follow him when he switched games but i'm sure he brought the same khaldor we all know and love to it and did the best he could. i can never talk bad about the guys like him who really love the game and put their time into casting it. i really hope he gets everything he wants xD I watch Khaldor's Heroes of the Storm commentary/ VODs pretty much every other day, and he's still the same knowledgeable and enthusiastic caster that I remember from SC2. Definitely a fan of that guy. I can see how the appreciation for any commentator's quirks and jokes and personality is subjective, and not necessarily a perfect fit for every spectator, so I just focus on valuing the diversity of hard-working casters and analysts that we have in our BW/SC2/Blizzard scene | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On May 24 2020 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I watch Khaldor's Heroes of the Storm commentary/ VODs pretty much every other day, and he's still the same knowledgeable and enthusiastic caster that I remember from SC2. Definitely a fan of that guy. I can see how the appreciation for any commentator's quirks and jokes and personality is subjective, and not necessarily a perfect fit for every spectator, so I just focus on valuing the diversity of hard-working casters and analysts that we have in our BW/SC2/Blizzard scene yep! i support all casters who put in the work and do their best to put on good production. khaldor was amazing at that when he was in the sc2 scene and that's how i'll remember him also nice to see your name it has been a while :D | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46323 Posts
On May 24 2020 04:52 Alejandrisha wrote: yep! i support all casters who put in the work and do their best to put on good production. khaldor was amazing at that when he was in the sc2 scene and that's how i'll remember him also nice to see your name it has been a while :D Thanks | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
On May 24 2020 01:00 KalWarkov wrote: to be a great analytical caster, yes. to be a great color caster, not really. but if you lack the playing skill, you need TONS of experience with watching the game imo. That's about it. Maynarde has come a long way imho, in the beginning he simply was shouting like a maniac, but now he knows, when to sit back and when to go mad. He's not a super high level player, but he does well with almost any analytical caster. From the other "new" (lol) faces, Wardi and ZG really stand out. Wardi is a machine and ZG is a skilled player with decent analysis. Tastosis operate on their own sphere of existence. I'm not expecting super detailed analysis, when I'm watching GSL. Nobody does what they do. It's basically performance art. Overall, I really enjoy almost every caster in SC2 right now. Some are better than others, but they're all pleasant to listen to. And I really miss Incontrol. God damn it. | ||
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