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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 15 2020 14:29 GMT
#21
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
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On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
January 15 2020 14:35 GMT
#22
This new format is so so sick
Potassium Gang
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
January 15 2020 14:37 GMT
#23
On January 15 2020 23:29 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.

He completely flubbed the NA and KR qualifiers on reasonable ping, but then basically beast moded the EU qualifier on terrible ping. Clearly he's in this for the thrill of the challenge. Maybe Cure should play GSL locked into a steel cage, dangling above a lava pit.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
January 15 2020 14:40 GMT
#24
On January 15 2020 23:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:29 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.

He completely flubbed the NA and KR qualifiers on reasonable ping, but then basically beast moded the EU qualifier on terrible ping. Clearly he's in this for the thrill of the challenge. Maybe Cure should play GSL locked into a steel cage, dangling above a lava pit.

He could do what GuMiho did: play vs the top player at the moment and have the ceiling fall in while playing and then win.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
January 15 2020 14:41 GMT
#25
On January 15 2020 23:40 Drfilip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:37 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:29 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.

He completely flubbed the NA and KR qualifiers on reasonable ping, but then basically beast moded the EU qualifier on terrible ping. Clearly he's in this for the thrill of the challenge. Maybe Cure should play GSL locked into a steel cage, dangling above a lava pit.

He could do what GuMiho did: play vs the top player at the moment and have the ceiling fall in while playing and then win.

If it's been done before it wasn't hard enough!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 15 2020 14:43 GMT
#26
Cure is almost as good with high ping as without it.
idk how, but its true.

Also idk how elazer does it every time. i see so many flaws in his play compared to other zergs and yet he outperforms them every time
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 15 2020 15:11 GMT
#27
On January 15 2020 23:43 KalWarkov wrote:
Cure is almost as good with high ping as without it.
idk how, but its true.

Also idk how elazer does it every time. i see so many flaws in his play compared to other zergs and yet he outperforms them every time


It's because he never gets supply blocked! Just spawn more overlords, man!!
Seriously speaking, who are you comparing Elazer to(excluding Serral and Reynor)?
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 16:05:58
January 15 2020 15:33 GMT
#28
On January 15 2020 23:43 KalWarkov wrote:
Cure is almost as good with high ping as without it.
idk how, but its true.

Also idk how elazer does it every time. i see so many flaws in his play compared to other zergs and yet he outperforms them every time

I mean there's the overlord meme, but other than I guess he's just a bit more high risk/high reward kind of player compared to the other zergs around his level who are maybe a bit more even overall. And I mean based on his results over the last two years I would't quite say "every time".
why even
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 15 2020 15:37 GMT
#29
On January 15 2020 23:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:29 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.

He completely flubbed the NA and KR qualifiers on reasonable ping, but then basically beast moded the EU qualifier on terrible ping. Clearly he's in this for the thrill of the challenge. Maybe Cure should play GSL locked into a steel cage, dangling above a lava pit.

To me it feels like Cure struggles a bit under pressure. He s an online juggernaut, but he struggles in offline events. He is Top 5 on alligulac for a while now, wich means he has been pretty consistent lately. But offline his winrate is almost 10% lower and he never gets that amazing results.
I recon thats why, he was so good in the EU qualifier. He didn t feel like he HAD to qualify, because he knew, it would be almost impossible. Without pressure to deliver, he brought his A-game, but then he struggles with more pressure again.
MaxPax
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 15 2020 15:59 GMT
#30
On January 15 2020 23:43 KalWarkov wrote:
Cure is almost as good with high ping as without it.
idk how, but its true.

Also idk how elazer does it every time. i see so many flaws in his play compared to other zergs and yet he outperforms them every time


Elazer makes many mistakes, for sure, but he also seems to do a lot of extra stuff right. He can really put on the aggro sometimes, and has decent game-sense (pre-hive tech time at least )
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-16 00:17:48
January 16 2020 00:16 GMT
#31
So Elazer wins on 2 ZvZ's that he's favored to win and then vs Special playing from KR with ping in a 3-2 close series.

Not a good way to build confidence for him, but we've seen him do miracles before when no one expected anything out of him.

The other story was that no Protoss got farther than the Ro16 except Showtime and Neeb and both of them got knocked out by Denver. Who the hell is Denver?!

Yet we've had 2 Korean Protosses advance already with another qualifier yet to be played.

Gonna be an interesting tournament. There's not many conclusions you can draw from these brackets so far except which players look dominant and which ones don't.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
January 16 2020 00:25 GMT
#32
On January 16 2020 09:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Who the hell is Denver?!

He's a Zerg. Which is about all it takes to best protoss right now.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26120 Posts
January 16 2020 00:30 GMT
#33
On January 16 2020 09:25 LTCM wrote:
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On January 16 2020 09:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Who the hell is Denver?!

He's a Zerg. Which is about all it takes to best protoss right now.

That or he’s a good player.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33493 Posts
January 16 2020 02:11 GMT
#34
On January 15 2020 23:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:29 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:25 Elentos wrote:
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping

Playing from KR to EU he had pretty high ping, yeah. It was pretty noticeable. The only match he played on even ping was against SpeCial because Juan also played and almost qualified from KR.


Let's hope Cure plays at this level in offline korean leagues.

He completely flubbed the NA and KR qualifiers on reasonable ping, but then basically beast moded the EU qualifier on terrible ping. Clearly he's in this for the thrill of the challenge. Maybe Cure should play GSL locked into a steel cage, dangling above a lava pit.


Calm down there, stuchiu

Watch him somehow flop out of GSL/KoreaReplacement qualifiers :[
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-16 04:22:42
January 16 2020 04:21 GMT
#35
On January 16 2020 09:25 LTCM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2020 09:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
Who the hell is Denver?!

He's a Zerg. Which is about all it takes to best protoss right now.

he's been tier 2 EU zerg for a long time, always capable of competing with top players, just not quite as consistent or strong. he's not an unknown, just one of many strong EU zergs who aren't Serral/Reynor/Elazer/etc.
TL+ Member
Dedraterllaerau
Profile Joined May 2019
113 Posts
January 16 2020 05:39 GMT
#36
On January 15 2020 21:15 Harris1st wrote:
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On January 15 2020 20:05 Dedraterllaerau wrote:
My predictions of Protoss struggling with this current balance is starting to show itself already, I fear we are gonna have a Zerg dominated year again with T maybe able to compete.


Why? Because we had one qualifier not 1/1/1 ?

Sure Classic's departure hurt, but I think we need more time to let things settle


Yeah, it is very early to say, but looking at how the meta is evolving so far and how strong Terran and Zerg are compared to Protoss both defensively and aggressively I don't really see how Protoss will manage any results in longer series consistently at the end of the year.

I find it hard to believe every good Protoss player we had suddenly decided to go into a slump at the same time, over that long a period.

Protoss win rates have for a majority of SC2 been all inns, as Blizzard has now been nerfing every single Protoss all in for a very long time, you start to see how weak Protoss really is when Terrans and Zergs are getting way too comfortable defending everything.

Blizzard really needs someone working for them that has deep understanding because their balance decisions are hugely affected by the masses which is completely unreliable input.

For those playing Protoss that plan to make a living of sc2 in 2020 I feel really bad for them, a few more months I believe we will start to see Protoss really struggle unless some top-end Protoss pulls a bunny out of a hat and creates a playstyle we could never have imagined would be viable.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
January 16 2020 08:24 GMT
#37
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping


Why is it hard to believe?

He is a one of the stronger mid-tier gsl players
TL+ Member
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6997 Posts
January 16 2020 08:43 GMT
#38
Cure: Online beast, offline not so much

Denver: Has just recently gone fulltime pro (I think?, I read that somewhere on TL)

Elazer: Third best foreign Zerg for a while now
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 16 2020 10:51 GMT
#39
On January 16 2020 17:24 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 23:07 NinjaNight wrote:
Was Cure's ping actually high? Hard to believe he could nearly beat Serral and crush everyone else on high ping


Why is it hard to believe?

He is a one of the stronger mid-tier gsl players


Implying that "mid tier" GSL players should nearly be able to beat Serral when playing on high ping, you must be joking! Serral has mantained a dominating win ratio against the best koreans offline in the last two years, he would roflstomp any lesser korean(on 200+ ping especially); online Cure is one of the strongest koreans at the moment tho, if you did not notice.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
January 16 2020 16:27 GMT
#40
Players all have ups and downs. On Serral's worst days, mid-tier GSLers definitely have a decent chance. On Serral's best, they still have a small chance. You people all need to understand that everything is probabilistic. In table tennis, the #1 ranked player is rated far higher than the #2 player, yet he still sometimes struggles against players ranked #10-ish. It's no different in chess, and no different in SC2. It's very possible that Cure is having an upsurge in his ability, also. Nothing should be counted out.
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