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Cool Things From 2019: Maru wins Code S #4

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Cool Things From 2019: Maru wins Code S #4

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January 14th, 2020 22:07 GMT

Cool Things From 2019:
Maru Wins His Fourth Code S

by Ziggy

Back when Brood War still sat atop the throne of esports, repeat championships were anything but commonplace. Winning an OSL or an MSL even once was a feat most could only dream about—winning two or more seemed reserved for legends of the game. As the industry grew, OnGameNet and MBCGame realized the importance of recognizing those who achieved those extraordinary feats. And thus, Golden trophies were born. Upon winning his third MSL title in 2003, NaDa was presented a Golden Badge to commemorate his achievements and superiority over the rest of the scene (Nada's wins were technically in the 'KPGA tour,' the predecessor of the MSL). Nada would be the first in a line of five players (iloveoov, sAviOr, Bisu, Flash) ever to win three titles in the MSL series. OnGameNet, too, prepared a 'Golden Mouse'—this time in anticipation of Boxer's third OSL title in 2005. Yet, Boxer failed to triumph over Anytime in the finals, and it would be none other but NaDa who later claimed the first Golden Mouse in 2006. Only three others—July, Jaedong, Flash—would ever matched this OSL record.

The last golden trophy of the KeSPA/Brood War era was awarded in June 2011, when Flash won his third MSL title. The same tradition, however, hitherto has not been continued in StarCraft II. The notion of repeat championships doesn't seem to have the same impact, nor is it celebrated in the same manner, even in the community. It's understandable for two of the Korean majors: The OSL only held two seasons of SC2 competition before being discontinued. SpoTV's StarCraft II Starleague (SSL) never saw the same person lift its premier trophy more than once during its 7-season tenure (shoutout to herO for winning 1.5 in an oddly formatted season).

But there's one more Korean circuit with a storied history. Yes, you guessed it (if you didn't—go sit in a corner and seriously reflect on your life): it's the Global StarCraft II League.

How come the GSL doesn't have its own 'golden' 3-time champion trophy? Given that the Golden Mice of the OSL contained more 24-karat gold than the mouths of some 2000's rappers (roughly 206 grams), one could forgive GomTV for balking on the expense side of things.

But the lack of any commemoration at all? Well, in retrospect, GOMTV/GOMeXP/AfreecaTV's StarCraft 2 competition has had a complicated history. Given SC2's infamously rocky start in Korea, there was probably a period where they weren't sure how long they'd even be around. Also, there was that unusual, hyper-accelerated 2011 season where they held nine-ish major tournaments in a single year. The GSL circuit launched on the 28th of August in 2010. Barely a year later, (Wiki)Mvp had already won three championships. And, frankly, I don't think GOMTV were ready at that time. But it was a mistake they were ready to rectify when Mvp faced off against (Wiki)Life in the Code S Season 4 Finals of 2012.

After a whirlwind 2011, GomTV seemed to realize midway through 2012, that they had a history that deserved to be commemorated in a special way. And thus, the elusive G5L Trophy was born. The Holy Grail of competitive StarCraft II. A trophy that could have been G4L, if GomTV had readied it in time for Mvp's fourth title victory against Squirtle in Season 2 of 2012. A trophy that was made and dedicated, but never awarded. With Mvp's loss to Life, the G5L trophy was sealed away, sentenced to gather dust somewhere until Mvp's second coming. Ironically, GomTV did get to cash in some of the Brood War mythos after that final: Life was awarded an actual, real-life sword for walking the fabled 'Royal Road' (a moment that has aged especially poorly in hindsight).

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Dedicated, but never awarded.

After 2012, GSL tournaments became more sparse while Korean competition grew more fierce at the top. But the G5L Trophy—even as it became less and less obtainable—never left the consciousness of the fans as a tradition that GomTV/AfreecaTV would be obliged to honor, should the time ever come. And indeed, AfreecaTV has become more active about celebrating records and milestones, with both the NesTea and Parting Awards continuing under their patronage. They were quick about coming up with their own 3-time award for the Brood War ASL: the Golden Trophy & Ruler, presented to Flash in 2017 (more reasons for SC2 peeps to watch the Brood War circuit!).

Mvp never did rise from the dead. But in 2019, an even older veteran of SC2 continued a revival of his own, which put the fabled G5L trophy back in the realm of reality. Coming off an already jaw-dropping 2018, with three-out-of-three Code S championships taken (on top of the finals of WESG2017), Jin Air’s (Wiki)Maru had asserted himself as the closest thing to a transcendent force in Korean SC2. It didn’t necessarily come as a surprise, given the talent he showed ever since his ‘MarinePrince’ days on Prime, his Royal Road win in the OSL, and continued excellence over the years. Yet, his exponential growth in skill starting in 2018 was a sight to behold. Season in, season out, Maru just kept getting better and better, and if one were to draw a graph to illustrate that, well, it would probably be the inverse of Activision-Blizzard's stock price around that time.

Going into the first season of Code S in 2019, there was no ‘right’ answer to the question of who the eventual champion would be. If you said Maru, you might have been ridiculed for believing anyone could ever score four Code S tours in a row. Conversely, if you picked anyone else, you'd be mocked for believing anyone could topple this unstoppable, once-in-a-lifetime force (it only serves to prove that sometimes the only choice is to play Switzerland).

Seeing as it was the start of a sparkling-new competitive year, the seedless Maru actually had to go through the qualifiers. An eyebrow-raising loss to (Wiki)Dear in the qualifiers saw him fall down to the losers’ bracket in his group. While Maru didn’t necessarily struggle against Keen to qualify, seeing him advance in second place rather than first wasn’t exactly what die-hard fans spamming F5 on Challonge at the crack of dawn would expect. Still, it was just a qualifier, and his loss wasn't read into too deeply.

As soon as the main event commenced, Maru once again brought his A-game to the studio, securing a spot in the Ro16 with two 2-0’s against both RagnaroK and herO. However, the Ro16 brought new worries. Though Maru opened with a 2-0 against Impact, he was shocked by (Wiki)Bunny as the underdog came back from 0-1 to hand Maru’s his first Code S series loss in over a year. Maru did advance off a rematch against Impact—but even there he dropped a map, which only amplified worries that not all was well with the Jin Air Terran.

With the playoffs looming on the horizon, nay-sayers were quick to bring up Maru’s loss to Dear in the qualifiers, questioning the former’s chances in their Ro8 rematch. The Terran didn’t seem fazed by the prospect of facing Dear, however, as he stated: ‘I was OK, as long as it’s not herO.’ in their pre-game interview. The reasoning behind his fears started to take shape, as Maru’s focus in the series lay in gaining an advantage in the early game and closing out neatly off 2-3 bases—a style which could have had trouble finding purchase against herO. Constant aggression, paired with intricate maneuvering, despite not always yielding direct damage, allowed Maru to stifle Dear in three out of four games, with King’s Cove standing out as the map where Dear actually got to play StarCraft II. Maru did a lot of things other Terrans wouldn’t, like repeatedly committing to Widow Mine drops on Year Zero against the Phoenix-based defense of the Protoss. And I guess you’d normally question the integrity of this approach. In the case of Maru? Not at all. All in all, Maru's 3-1 victory over Dear was disappointing given the level of PvT Dear had shown in the preceding months, but Maru has a way of ruining everyone's game.

Next-up: (Wiki)Trap. Running into a teammate is never fun. Imagine how awkward breakfast must be the following morning at the teamhouse. As far as the viewing experience is concerned, however, you could hardly ask for anything better than a teamkill between two top-tier title contenders (while calling Trap a contender wouldn’t have passed for apposite at the time, I think you’ll agree it is justified in retrospect). This is where the minutiae of StarCraft become as explicit as one could hope. A team-kill is just as much about getting into your opponent’s head as it is about keeping them out. Running into Trap in the semi-finals, Maru managed to do both. Trap? Not so much. Maru came out with cool, non-sequitur builds you’d normally scratch your head seeing, like following a Widow Mine drop with two Vikings to try and harass. Not completely ridiculous, but weird enough to surprise. And then he’d reverse back to as standard a build as they come, catching Trap off guard with a dose of tried and trusted simplicity. Maru broke Trap that series with a clean 4-0 sweep to advance to the finals. I guess he must have felt bad and later helped Trap practice so much the latter made it to two consecutive finals later that year, but that’s neither here nor there.

‘I came to the finals to accomplish the 4-peat.’ The sentiment was clear—Maru knew how significant of a win this particular final would turn out to be, should he succeed. On the other side, Classic, with military service looming on the horizon, said ‘Besides GSL, there are not many tournaments I can attend and win [...] when it comes to this year’s GSL, I really want to win.’



If you tuned in to the series then you might have experienced a similar cognitive dissonance as I did at first.(Wiki) Classic, a player you’d normally associate with a more orthodox approach to PvT, proxied in 5 out of the 6 games. Even on King’s Cove, a map Terran famously struggled to deal damage on in the early to mid game, Classic chose to rely on tripping Maru up right from the get go. It worked twice, including the Tempest + Shield Battery rush on Cyber Forest. In all the other games, Maru did exactly what he’d need to do against this play-style. He scouted, had Bunkers ready, opted for safe openings. Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of Classic taking a more proactive stance in the series. Having heard that Maru was afraid to face herO that’s exactly what I’d have done. But the way he went about it? Questionable. Save for the King’s Cove game, where Maru was forced into as late game a scenario as they come, Nukes and Battlecruisers abound, the games didn’t feel even. It was either Maru getting caught off guard by cheese, or Classic getting driven into the ground by a counter when the cheese didn’t work. And despite the deceivingly close 4-2 score, Maru was by and large on a different power level—the kind you’d expect from a record-breaking, four-in-a-row GSL Code S champion.

Unfortunately for Maru fans, the Jin Air Terran cooled off ever since, leaving his fans hanging in their wait for the G5L trophy. But the saga is anything but over, as recent news indicates the Korean scene will continue with at least three major tournaments in 2020. While it's not confirmed that the letters 'GSL' will be affixed to these tournaments, we know that's the legacy they'll be inheriting. And should Maru win a fifth Korean major, that accomplishment, if not the trophy, will certainly be gilded.

‘I still have a long way to get G5L so I should keep going.’ You go, Maru!



Credits and acknowledgements

Written by: Ziggy
Editor: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV

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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
January 14 2020 22:46 GMT
#2
Man, watching Maru on form is such an absolute treat. I actually almost always root against him when he's playing well, since anybody who can take games off in-shape-Maru has to play out of their mind. Hoping he finds the form to pick up the G5L trophy before he or GomTV retires

Unrelated, but I'm so glad to see FlaSh showing off his golden ruler!
was funny to see.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-14 23:21:37
January 14 2020 23:18 GMT
#3
Always a huge Maru fan, hope to watch many entertaining games this year as well!

People are always on about how the level is dopping or how many players are leaving but there are still a ton of great and entertaining players to watch! In all scenes.

Also I will never forget Marus 4 straight GSL wins, I have rarely cheered for any player/team in sports as hard as I cheered for Maru and never have I seen my favorite reach greatness the way Maru did. It truely made me so happy, good times.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 15 2020 01:35 GMT
#4
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 01:49:39
January 15 2020 01:47 GMT
#5
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 04:05:35
January 15 2020 04:05 GMT
#6
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?


you guys should just have a civil, nuanced discussion about how 'prestige' is a non-objective construct
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gophersnake
Profile Joined July 2018
48 Posts
January 15 2020 07:59 GMT
#7
maru good player
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 15 2020 14:18 GMT
#8
I really hope the G5L trophy is still out there if Maru wins it.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 15 2020 14:52 GMT
#9
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

He won 4 GSL, but not 4 Code S, and Code S are the only ones that truly matter.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 15:10:58
January 15 2020 14:54 GMT
#10
On January 15 2020 23:52 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

He won 4 GSL, but not 4 Code S, and Code S are the only ones that truly matter.

But he would have won the G5L trophy anyway, which is more important than anything else. So do our views on the importance of events even matter?

What Mvp won was essentially a Code S (in its format at the time where the Ro16 was still part of the bracket) without the group stage. Or a (somewhat more difficult) GSL vs the World by today's standards, but drawn out over more than a weekend.
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dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
January 15 2020 16:57 GMT
#11
any pro will tell u that any gsl matters
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
January 15 2020 18:14 GMT
#12
This Maru guy.... I am looking forward his future, seems bright.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 19:11:59
January 15 2020 19:09 GMT
#13
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 15 2020 20:21 GMT
#14
On January 16 2020 04:09 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.


Code S is a GSL tournament but not every GSL tournament is a Code S; they are basically used as synonyms nowadays but they aren't.
This means that Maru and Nestea are back to back Code S champions, not GSL ones, both Polt and Serral won GSL titles and Inno has as many GSL trophies as Maru and Mvp.
It's not funny, it's not weird, it's clear and coherent!

What is true is that Code S is the most prestigious GSL tournament, because of its peculiar structure, tests different skills if compared to many other tournaments; people would like to see Serral play in Code S specifically, not just in a GSL Super Tournament.

Mvp's G5L trophy was an idea of GomTV, which is not running GSL anymore, otherwise there would have been another G5L trophy dedicated to Inno one year and half before the Maru's one you are speaking of.


Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
January 15 2020 21:24 GMT
#15
On January 16 2020 05:21 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2020 04:09 Fango wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.


Code S is a GSL tournament but not every GSL tournament is a Code S; they are basically used as synonyms nowadays but they aren't.
This means that Maru and Nestea are back to back Code S champions, not GSL ones, both Polt and Serral won GSL titles and Inno has as many GSL trophies as Maru and Mvp.
It's not funny, it's not weird, it's clear and coherent!

What is true is that Code S is the most prestigious GSL tournament, because of its peculiar structure, tests different skills if compared to many other tournaments; people would like to see Serral play in Code S specifically, not just in a GSL Super Tournament.

Mvp's G5L trophy was an idea of GomTV, which is not running GSL anymore, otherwise there would have been another G5L trophy dedicated to Inno one year and half before the Maru's one you are speaking of.





Sorry but Fango points are quite strong, maybe back then GomTV consideration was ok, but not nowadays. In todays standarts GSL == CODE S
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 15 2020 21:30 GMT
#16
On January 16 2020 05:21 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2020 04:09 Fango wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.


Code S is a GSL tournament but not every GSL tournament is a Code S; they are basically used as synonyms nowadays but they aren't.
This means that Maru and Nestea are back to back Code S champions, not GSL ones, both Polt and Serral won GSL titles and Inno has as many GSL trophies as Maru and Mvp.
It's not funny, it's not weird, it's clear and coherent!

Obviously I don't disagree with any of this, I'm just saying that Mvp's G5L goes against the criteria that the community/casters/GSL themselves have for every other player. For everyone but Mvp, the idea of winning multiple (in this case 5) GSLs, is referring strictly to the starleague.

The community doesn't consider Zest or INno to be back-to-back GSL champions right? Never heard anyone claim that like they do for Maru and NesTea.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for if Maru or INno win a super tournament or GSLvsTW either.

Honestly I don't really care if people think super tournaments etc should count as a GSL title and contribute to winning a G5L, that's an entirely fair opinion to have. But you have to apply it to either every player, or none of them.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
January 16 2020 00:56 GMT
#17
This Maru fellow isn’t bad at Starcraft as far as I’ve gathered
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-16 02:09:25
January 16 2020 02:09 GMT
#18
On January 16 2020 06:30 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2020 05:21 Xain0n wrote:
On January 16 2020 04:09 Fango wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.


Code S is a GSL tournament but not every GSL tournament is a Code S; they are basically used as synonyms nowadays but they aren't.
This means that Maru and Nestea are back to back Code S champions, not GSL ones, both Polt and Serral won GSL titles and Inno has as many GSL trophies as Maru and Mvp.
It's not funny, it's not weird, it's clear and coherent!

Obviously I don't disagree with any of this, I'm just saying that Mvp's G5L goes against the criteria that the community/casters/GSL themselves have for every other player. For everyone but Mvp, the idea of winning multiple (in this case 5) GSLs, is referring strictly to the starleague.

The community doesn't consider Zest or INno to be back-to-back GSL champions right? Never heard anyone claim that like they do for Maru and NesTea.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for if Maru or INno win a super tournament or GSLvsTW either.

Honestly I don't really care if people think super tournaments etc should count as a GSL title and contribute to winning a G5L, that's an entirely fair opinion to have. But you have to apply it to either every player, or none of them.


I, too, appreciate how goddamn stupid this all is.

I also appreciate that Blizzard made WCS Winter: EU & AM 2019 to make Circuit accounting needlessly complicated as well
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
January 16 2020 04:35 GMT
#19
On January 16 2020 06:30 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2020 05:21 Xain0n wrote:
On January 16 2020 04:09 Fango wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:47 Xain0n wrote:
On January 15 2020 10:35 Fango wrote:
It's 2019 and people still haven't realised that Mvp never won a fourth GSL.


It's 2020 and people still refuse to accept that international tournaments bearing GSL's name are GSL tournaments.

Let me understand, GomTV itself recognized Mvp as four time winner and had a special trophy commissioned because of that but now clearly they were wrong because you get to decide what counts and what doesn't?

Because the standards that damn near everyone agrees with apply to everyone but Mvp apparently.

The community unanimously agrees Maru won four GSLs in a row, despite the fact there was a GSL vs The World in the middle. Also that soO made four finals in a row when there was a GSL global championship between them.

Everyone calls NesTea the first back-to-back champion, despite there also being a global "GSL" tournament in between them. (they also consider Polt to be a GSL champ as well funnily enough).

No one considers Zest a back-to-back champion, when he won a Code S followed by a GSL global championship, or even that he won three GSLs. No one considers INno a back-to-back champ either when he did the same.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for every time Maru plays in super tournaments or GSL vs the World. In fact no one mentions the G5L during those events.

Serral won two GSL vs the World but the biggest criticism of him to this day is still that he doesn't play/hasn't won a Code S.

The list goes on, but the point is that Mvp's G5L was just for marketing purposes. When someone mentions winning GSL, they're almost certainly refering to the starleague.


Code S is a GSL tournament but not every GSL tournament is a Code S; they are basically used as synonyms nowadays but they aren't.
This means that Maru and Nestea are back to back Code S champions, not GSL ones, both Polt and Serral won GSL titles and Inno has as many GSL trophies as Maru and Mvp.
It's not funny, it's not weird, it's clear and coherent!

Obviously I don't disagree with any of this, I'm just saying that Mvp's G5L goes against the criteria that the community/casters/GSL themselves have for every other player. For everyone but Mvp, the idea of winning multiple (in this case 5) GSLs, is referring strictly to the starleague.

The community doesn't consider Zest or INno to be back-to-back GSL champions right? Never heard anyone claim that like they do for Maru and NesTea.

There isn't a G5L trophy ready for if Maru or INno win a super tournament or GSLvsTW either.

Honestly I don't really care if people think super tournaments etc should count as a GSL title and contribute to winning a G5L, that's an entirely fair opinion to have. But you have to apply it to either every player, or none of them.


Technically Inno and Zest are indeed back to back GSL champions(it actually sounds weird to me as well, but that's it) but they are not back to back Code S champions; anything that community or casters might think about it does not change the fact that Super Tournaments and old GomTV competitions are GSL events, making them count for the G5L trophy(according to the logic GomTV used back in the days).

I suspect that the absence of a trophy dedicated to Inno or Maru is just tied to the fact Afreeca has no interest in creating new ones; maybe GomTV would have.
Of course, the criteria in use for assigning the trophy are the same for everyone and would be applied to any player winning GSL titles.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-16 05:37:55
January 16 2020 05:26 GMT
#20
GSL changed production company so it makes it hard to tell what they would count as GSL, it's also kinda weird that KC aren't count but ST are, despite being pretty much the same.

On the plus side if we count them all it mean Kyrix has now overtrown Seed and jjackji for most insignificant GSL champ. (Well maybe not)
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