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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
January 08 2020 21:48 GMT
#21
On January 09 2020 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems a bit funny that the prize pool distribution is flatter for all the bigger events, but the weekly cups are winner take all the points and money.

This does seems like an improvement overall though.

I think this is a better model. With WCS, if you won a WCS tournament you automatically qualified for a Blizzcon. Sometimes you got the bracket luck and balance luck behind you and you're good to go. Instead this system promotes consistency and makes the race a lot tighter.

With the online weekly cups, I think it's nice to have a winner take all system. It rewards players by enticing them to try harder and reduces the possibility of 322 which is prevalent in online CS:GO matches. This makes it so players actually have to try to win instead of just coasting through. Again in CS:GO, you get the occasional "upset" where it honestly feels like match fixing. Not saying it's not possible with the online cups but the possibility is reduced.

I do wonder if we'll start to see betting sites sponsor SC2 teams, matches, and tournaments now.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 08 2020 21:51 GMT
#22
Just want to add that I really hope that $200k global master event will be held in China.


On January 09 2020 06:48 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 04:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It seems a bit funny that the prize pool distribution is flatter for all the bigger events, but the weekly cups are winner take all the points and money.

This does seems like an improvement overall though.

I think this is a better model. With WCS, if you won a WCS tournament you automatically qualified for a Blizzcon. Sometimes you got the bracket luck and balance luck behind you and you're good to go. Instead this system promotes consistency and makes the race a lot tighter.


But every Masters winner still gets direct qualification to Katowice, they didn't change that part.
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
January 08 2020 21:55 GMT
#23
Sounds like an amazing set of changes across the board. I really appreciate the amount of thought and effort that obviously went into the formulation of the new system. Super psyched about the future of competitive SC2!
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
January 08 2020 21:55 GMT
#24
On January 09 2020 06:32 sneakyfox wrote:
Thanks for the article, it's nice to get some more concrete info on the setup.

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 05:54 bela.mervado wrote:
Who will we call the world champion?
The one winning Katowice in 2021 (as we did previously),
or the one with the most points after that final event (as in formula-1) ?


Clearly the player who wins the World Championship at Katowice.

But this also means that 2020 will not crown an official world champion, so Dark will remain the champ until March 2021. Not that anyone will notice though


Oh, don't worry, I'll make sure to remind people who's the reigning champion should they forget.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 08 2020 22:23 GMT
#25
On January 09 2020 06:55 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 06:32 sneakyfox wrote:
Thanks for the article, it's nice to get some more concrete info on the setup.

On January 09 2020 05:54 bela.mervado wrote:
Who will we call the world champion?
The one winning Katowice in 2021 (as we did previously),
or the one with the most points after that final event (as in formula-1) ?


Clearly the player who wins the World Championship at Katowice.

But this also means that 2020 will not crown an official world champion, so Dark will remain the champ until March 2021. Not that anyone will notice though


Oh, don't worry, I'll make sure to remind people who's the reigning champion should they forget.


Sorry to say this mate but then it seems you've been asleep at the wheel
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EleMenTfiNi
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada107 Posts
January 08 2020 23:40 GMT
#26
Says that the weekly cups have a $100 prize, amounting to $5200 annually - looks like that is per region for $15600 πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
Don't complain about things you're not willing to change.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26795 Posts
January 08 2020 23:54 GMT
#27
Not bad, not bad at all. Like the integration of online weeklies into it too.

Could make for some really hyped weeks where players are scrambling to make Katowice and that could be great weekly content
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 09 2020 05:38 GMT
#28
On January 09 2020 04:39 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 04:36 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 09 2020 04:16 Olli wrote:
On January 09 2020 04:13 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 09 2020 04:12 Olli wrote:
On January 09 2020 04:11 FFW_Rude wrote:
So Korea is out of it ?


Just not announced yet. Korea will have at least 3 tournaments.


Yeah but i mean korea is still excluded from it.


From what? The official breakdown of KR points & prize money just isn't announced yet. Korea is part of the system. It's still region-locked, if that's what you're saying.


Yeah that's what i was looking for. Oh well i thought they would rethink it. Not that big of a deal but a little sad anyway


They will reassess region lock after this season. Doesn't mean it will be lifted, but it did seem to me like Apollo at least was leaning towards that if the Korean scene keeps struggling for new players.

His quotes on region lock are here: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/554463-esl-pro-tour-replaces-wcs-on-a-3-year-deal


Oh ok. That's nice to hear
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7202 Posts
January 09 2020 09:53 GMT
#29
On January 09 2020 07:23 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 06:55 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On January 09 2020 06:32 sneakyfox wrote:
Thanks for the article, it's nice to get some more concrete info on the setup.

On January 09 2020 05:54 bela.mervado wrote:
Who will we call the world champion?
The one winning Katowice in 2021 (as we did previously),
or the one with the most points after that final event (as in formula-1) ?


Clearly the player who wins the World Championship at Katowice.

But this also means that 2020 will not crown an official world champion, so Dark will remain the champ until March 2021. Not that anyone will notice though


Oh, don't worry, I'll make sure to remind people who's the reigning champion should they forget.


Sorry to say this mate but then it seems you've been asleep at the wheel


We can just make this years Katowice winner the new OWC! Though we all know the title tjhat really counts is the
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CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3665 Posts
January 09 2020 12:17 GMT
#30
On January 09 2020 03:34 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
For comparison, DreamHack Masters events will distribute points as follows:
  • New System
      Winner β€” 700
    • 2nd β€” 500
    • 3rd & 4th β€” 350
    • 5th - 8th β€” 250
    • 9th - 16th β€” 130
    • 13th - 16th β€” 120
    • 17th - 24th β€” 70
    • 25th - 32nd β€” 40
    • 33rd- 44th β€” 24
    • 45st- 48th β€” 16
    • 49th - 56th β€” 12
    • 57th - 64th β€” 8


this is wrong, you can find the exact Points distribution on LP
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 12:28:35
January 09 2020 12:21 GMT
#31
On January 09 2020 21:17 CynicalDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2020 03:34 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
For comparison, DreamHack Masters events will distribute points as follows:
  • New System
      Winner β€” 700
    • 2nd β€” 500
    • 3rd & 4th β€” 350
    • 5th - 8th β€” 250
    • 9th - 16th β€” 130
    • 13th - 16th β€” 120
    • 17th - 24th β€” 70
    • 25th - 32nd β€” 40
    • 33rd- 44th β€” 24
    • 45st- 48th β€” 16
    • 49th - 56th β€” 12
    • 57th - 64th β€” 8


this is wrong, you can find the exact Points distribution on LP


Well yes, because 9-16 and 13-16 cannot be different points. It's a relic from a previous edit that's now been removed.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19352 Posts
January 09 2020 16:51 GMT
#32
Does this mean DreamHack isn't open to Koreans anymore? If so, then as far as we know this is a pretty big hit to the volume of international tournaments Koreans can participate in.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55573 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 16:57:32
January 09 2020 16:55 GMT
#33
On January 10 2020 01:51 BisuDagger wrote:
Does this mean DreamHack isn't open to Koreans anymore? If so, then as far as we know this is a pretty big hit to the volume of international tournaments Koreans can participate in.

You must have missed about 4 years of competitive SC2 buddy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
January 09 2020 16:58 GMT
#34
On January 10 2020 01:51 BisuDagger wrote:
Does this mean DreamHack isn't open to Koreans anymore? If so, then as far as we know this is a pretty big hit to the volume of international tournaments Koreans can participate in.


"Real" Dreamhack don't exist since 2016, what we have are WCS/EPT event that sometime take place at Dreamhack but are paid by Blizz.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19352 Posts
January 09 2020 17:01 GMT
#35
On January 10 2020 01:55 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2020 01:51 BisuDagger wrote:
Does this mean DreamHack isn't open to Koreans anymore? If so, then as far as we know this is a pretty big hit to the volume of international tournaments Koreans can participate in.

You must have missed about 4 years of competitive SC2 buddy.

I was thinking of ASUS ROG from last year. My bad lol. I'll go drink more coffee now.
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NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
January 12 2020 04:02 GMT
#36
When does GSL usually announce?
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vik7
Profile Joined May 2009
United States227 Posts
January 13 2020 15:18 GMT
#37
For teamliquid specifically, does any of the staff know if there will be a ESL Pro points tab?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 13 2020 15:24 GMT
#38
Update to the system: Weekly Cups will award 5 Pro Points to the runner-up.

Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55573 Posts
January 13 2020 15:28 GMT
#39
On January 12 2020 13:02 NExt wrote:
When does GSL usually announce?

Usually? Not this late.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 13 2020 16:24 GMT
#40
On January 12 2020 13:02 NExt wrote:
When does GSL usually announce?


Last year it was on 8th January, and that was unusually late, it used to be much earlier.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
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