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On September 17 2019 03:34 KobeSteak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 03:23 evanreyes94 wrote:On September 16 2019 19:10 Xain0n wrote:On September 16 2019 15:48 evanreyes94 wrote:
Bottomline: Serral should not be number one in my humble opinion. He should not even be in the top 10. Serral is my absolute favorite player of all time. That being said, I have to be honest and objective and declare that Serral is not a top player.
I mean, just because I like a player doesn't mean I have to think they are the best. I like his calm demeanor and that he is Finish. But as a big fan, I would be wrong and delusional in saying that Serral deserves top 10. "Another foreigner on a luck streak", "doesn't hold a candle(to the ones) who played in GSL", "Stephano>Reynor>Serral", "Stephano is currently the best foreigner in the world", "Maru>Serral...if he can beat Ragnarok", "Serral is a top 5 foreign Zerg all time...there is objectivity", "Serral got heavily outplayed by Heromarine, then Heromarine threw the game...it could be matchfixing", "Heromarine is leaps and bound better than Serral", "Reynor is so much better than Serral", "Serral can't play late game vs any race, the only games he won were when he cheesed or did some sort of weird timing and was lucky", "All this Serral kid did was Nydus rush...everyone knows it", "You see where else I see nothing but Nydus Worms? Bronze League Hero", "Terran is the hardest race...Maru>>>>Serral...all Serral needs to do is to spam Nydus Worms to win early game or spam Broodlords Infestor to win late game...WCS players rely on the easiest race to play+patches to get more foreign viewers". Those are your words. Such a big fan of Serral...or maybe a huge troll? No I'm not a troll at all. I am a huge Serral fan. Probably the biggest Serral fans you'll ever meet. With that being said, that is why I am critical of Serral instead of blindly jumping on the bandwagon and calling him the best player ever. If you pay close attention to my past posts, you'll see that I am just being critical of him. Here is an analogy. I am a big fan of Jason Terry. HUGE fan. Really love the guy. But it's clear that someone like LeBron James is much better and clearly a better player than him. As a fan, I have a duty to point out flaws of my favorite players and stop any delusions that non-fans have. If anything, people that overhype Serral is providing more fuel for the Serral haters. I'm simply telling everyone how it is. One of the worst analogy ever.... On an unrelated note, Jason Terry destroyed and embarrassed Lebron in 2011 Finals Also Terry nor Lebron is ever close to the GOAT conversation.
I cant tell if you're trolling
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On September 17 2019 03:23 evanreyes94 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2019 19:10 Xain0n wrote:On September 16 2019 15:48 evanreyes94 wrote:
Bottomline: Serral should not be number one in my humble opinion. He should not even be in the top 10. Serral is my absolute favorite player of all time. That being said, I have to be honest and objective and declare that Serral is not a top player.
I mean, just because I like a player doesn't mean I have to think they are the best. I like his calm demeanor and that he is Finish. But as a big fan, I would be wrong and delusional in saying that Serral deserves top 10. "Another foreigner on a luck streak", "doesn't hold a candle(to the ones) who played in GSL", "Stephano>Reynor>Serral", "Stephano is currently the best foreigner in the world", "Maru>Serral...if he can beat Ragnarok", "Serral is a top 5 foreign Zerg all time...there is objectivity", "Serral got heavily outplayed by Heromarine, then Heromarine threw the game...it could be matchfixing", "Heromarine is leaps and bound better than Serral", "Reynor is so much better than Serral", "Serral can't play late game vs any race, the only games he won were when he cheesed or did some sort of weird timing and was lucky", "All this Serral kid did was Nydus rush...everyone knows it", "You see where else I see nothing but Nydus Worms? Bronze League Hero", "Terran is the hardest race...Maru>>>>Serral...all Serral needs to do is to spam Nydus Worms to win early game or spam Broodlords Infestor to win late game...WCS players rely on the easiest race to play+patches to get more foreign viewers". Those are your words. Such a big fan of Serral...or maybe a huge troll? No I'm not a troll at all. I am a huge Serral fan. Probably the biggest Serral fans you'll ever meet. With that being said, that is why I am critical of Serral instead of blindly jumping on the bandwagon and calling him the best player ever. If you pay close attention to my past posts, you'll see that I am just being critical of him. Here is an analogy. I am a big fan of Jason Terry. HUGE fan. Really love the guy. But it's clear that someone like LeBron James is much better and clearly a better player than him. As a fan, I have a duty to point out flaws of my favorite players and stop any delusions that non-fans have. If anything, people that overhype Serral is providing more fuel for the Serral haters. I'm simply telling everyone how it is.
The tone you used is clearly not the one a fan would use, that's evident to everyone.
In any of case, are you sure you have been watching Serral's game in 2018 and in 2019? What you write would make sense if Serral was his 2015 self.
If Terry would have won several championships and Mvp award, there would be no point to criticize him; nobody is overhyping Serral, the world champion, at the moment.
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On September 17 2019 03:38 evanreyes94 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 03:34 KobeSteak wrote:On September 17 2019 03:23 evanreyes94 wrote:On September 16 2019 19:10 Xain0n wrote:On September 16 2019 15:48 evanreyes94 wrote:
Bottomline: Serral should not be number one in my humble opinion. He should not even be in the top 10. Serral is my absolute favorite player of all time. That being said, I have to be honest and objective and declare that Serral is not a top player.
I mean, just because I like a player doesn't mean I have to think they are the best. I like his calm demeanor and that he is Finish. But as a big fan, I would be wrong and delusional in saying that Serral deserves top 10. "Another foreigner on a luck streak", "doesn't hold a candle(to the ones) who played in GSL", "Stephano>Reynor>Serral", "Stephano is currently the best foreigner in the world", "Maru>Serral...if he can beat Ragnarok", "Serral is a top 5 foreign Zerg all time...there is objectivity", "Serral got heavily outplayed by Heromarine, then Heromarine threw the game...it could be matchfixing", "Heromarine is leaps and bound better than Serral", "Reynor is so much better than Serral", "Serral can't play late game vs any race, the only games he won were when he cheesed or did some sort of weird timing and was lucky", "All this Serral kid did was Nydus rush...everyone knows it", "You see where else I see nothing but Nydus Worms? Bronze League Hero", "Terran is the hardest race...Maru>>>>Serral...all Serral needs to do is to spam Nydus Worms to win early game or spam Broodlords Infestor to win late game...WCS players rely on the easiest race to play+patches to get more foreign viewers". Those are your words. Such a big fan of Serral...or maybe a huge troll? No I'm not a troll at all. I am a huge Serral fan. Probably the biggest Serral fans you'll ever meet. With that being said, that is why I am critical of Serral instead of blindly jumping on the bandwagon and calling him the best player ever. If you pay close attention to my past posts, you'll see that I am just being critical of him. Here is an analogy. I am a big fan of Jason Terry. HUGE fan. Really love the guy. But it's clear that someone like LeBron James is much better and clearly a better player than him. As a fan, I have a duty to point out flaws of my favorite players and stop any delusions that non-fans have. If anything, people that overhype Serral is providing more fuel for the Serral haters. I'm simply telling everyone how it is. One of the worst analogy ever.... On an unrelated note, Jason Terry destroyed and embarrassed Lebron in 2011 Finals Also Terry nor Lebron is ever close to the GOAT conversation. I cant tell if you're trolling
I dont troll about fact
You might want to check 2011 Final stats or even rewatch the 2011 finals
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On September 17 2019 04:09 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 03:23 evanreyes94 wrote:On September 16 2019 19:10 Xain0n wrote:On September 16 2019 15:48 evanreyes94 wrote:
Bottomline: Serral should not be number one in my humble opinion. He should not even be in the top 10. Serral is my absolute favorite player of all time. That being said, I have to be honest and objective and declare that Serral is not a top player.
I mean, just because I like a player doesn't mean I have to think they are the best. I like his calm demeanor and that he is Finish. But as a big fan, I would be wrong and delusional in saying that Serral deserves top 10. "Another foreigner on a luck streak", "doesn't hold a candle(to the ones) who played in GSL", "Stephano>Reynor>Serral", "Stephano is currently the best foreigner in the world", "Maru>Serral...if he can beat Ragnarok", "Serral is a top 5 foreign Zerg all time...there is objectivity", "Serral got heavily outplayed by Heromarine, then Heromarine threw the game...it could be matchfixing", "Heromarine is leaps and bound better than Serral", "Reynor is so much better than Serral", "Serral can't play late game vs any race, the only games he won were when he cheesed or did some sort of weird timing and was lucky", "All this Serral kid did was Nydus rush...everyone knows it", "You see where else I see nothing but Nydus Worms? Bronze League Hero", "Terran is the hardest race...Maru>>>>Serral...all Serral needs to do is to spam Nydus Worms to win early game or spam Broodlords Infestor to win late game...WCS players rely on the easiest race to play+patches to get more foreign viewers". Those are your words. Such a big fan of Serral...or maybe a huge troll? No I'm not a troll at all. I am a huge Serral fan. Probably the biggest Serral fans you'll ever meet. With that being said, that is why I am critical of Serral instead of blindly jumping on the bandwagon and calling him the best player ever. If you pay close attention to my past posts, you'll see that I am just being critical of him. Here is an analogy. I am a big fan of Jason Terry. HUGE fan. Really love the guy. But it's clear that someone like LeBron James is much better and clearly a better player than him. As a fan, I have a duty to point out flaws of my favorite players and stop any delusions that non-fans have. If anything, people that overhype Serral is providing more fuel for the Serral haters. I'm simply telling everyone how it is. The tone you used is clearly not the one a fan would use, that's evident to everyone. In any of case, are you sure you have been watching Serral's game in 2018 and in 2019? What you write would make sense if Serral was his 2015 self. If Terry would have won several championships and Mvp award, there would be no point to criticize him; nobody is overhyping Serral, the world champion, at the moment.
Yes, I am aware that 2015 Serral was not the best. The Serral that I am being critical towards is the 2018-19 Serral. Everyone has their flaws, and Serral not being a top 10 player in the world or a top top 5 zerg in the world is just critique. I'm not sure why people can't handle a little criticism these days. I'm not sure why listing a couple of facts about my favorite player is trolling. All I am doing is simply saying that Serral is not a top 10 player, and that Stephano, Reynor, Trap, Dark, etc are all leaps and bounds above Serral.
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On September 17 2019 04:55 evanreyes94 wrote:
Yes, I am aware that 2015 Serral was not the best. The Serral that I am being critical towards is the 2018-19 Serral. Everyone has their flaws, and Serral not being a top 10 player in the world or a top top 5 zerg in the world is just critique. I'm not sure why people can't handle a little criticism these days. I'm not sure why listing a couple of facts about my favorite player is trolling. All I am doing is simply saying that Serral is not a top 10 player, and that Stephano, Reynor, Trap, Dark, etc are all leaps and bounds above Serral.
Okay. When something gets like two years old, it kinda gets old, you know ? You are "bit" late to this party. Most of your predecessors have already quit or moved elsewhere, but you didnt get the memo ?
On September 17 2019 02:13 Waxangel wrote:
I don't mind the crazy ppl on the subway as long as they don't spit on the other passengers ;o
So, why no ban yet ? Or waiting somebody to take the bait ?
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On September 17 2019 05:22 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 04:55 evanreyes94 wrote:
Yes, I am aware that 2015 Serral was not the best. The Serral that I am being critical towards is the 2018-19 Serral. Everyone has their flaws, and Serral not being a top 10 player in the world or a top top 5 zerg in the world is just critique. I'm not sure why people can't handle a little criticism these days. I'm not sure why listing a couple of facts about my favorite player is trolling. All I am doing is simply saying that Serral is not a top 10 player, and that Stephano, Reynor, Trap, Dark, etc are all leaps and bounds above Serral. Okay. When something gets like two years old, it kinda gets old, you know ? You are "bit" late to this party. Most of your predecessors have already quit or moved elsewhere, but you didnt get the memo ? Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 02:13 Waxangel wrote:
I don't mind the crazy ppl on the subway as long as they don't spit on the other passengers ;o So, why no ban yet ? Or waiting somebody to take the bait ?
Why ban someone that you simply disagree with? I don't report you or ask for you to be banned just because you think Serral is a top 10 player of 2018-19.
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I don't know, the list feels pretty right but at the same time there are some questionable decisions, I think Rogue has a serious shot at beating Dark in the upcoming GSL match but we'll see... I'd also swap Trap and Maru.
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Holy canoley, banning trolls doesn't work, the only thing that works is you know, don't feed them.
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The moderators have deemed his conduct acceptable. Please refrain from calling people trolls unless a moderator has confirmed this to be the case.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 17 2019 05:31 Shuffleblade wrote:
Holy canoley, banning trolls doesn't work, the only thing that works is you know, don't feed them.
Banning troll seems like a tried and true method of getting rid of troll, works pretty well on TL if you ask me, sometime it take 4-5 bans to get it through but it's pretty rare someone keep it up for that too long.
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You’re a pretty terrible troll if everyone thinks you’re a troll, aren’t you supposed to do it with some degree of subtlety and make it plausible that you have the opinions you do?
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On September 16 2019 22:53 KobeSteak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2019 16:17 Ej_ wrote:On September 16 2019 03:20 KobeSteak wrote:On September 15 2019 11:50 Xain0n wrote:On September 15 2019 11:37 burnturn wrote:On September 15 2019 10:32 Xain0n wrote:On September 15 2019 10:00 evanreyes94 wrote:On September 15 2019 09:59 Xain0n wrote:On September 15 2019 03:49 Shuffleblade wrote:When the rabid ones gets what they want it just gets worse  Its kinda hilarious. Maru will be on top again after taking back his throne after the next GSL finals anyhow =D Pretty sure you are misinterpreting what happened here. Also, I fully agree with evanreyes(now living in Finland, apparently....): Zest being #10 is a questionable decision. As for MARY, even if that was the case, he would fail at Super Tournament(not to mention BlizzCon) and quickly abandon his newfound #1. The only questionable decision is putting Serral at #1. Did ENCE pay off TL or something? Easily exposed. The only questionable decision is the one you took when you registered an account with the sole intention of trolling and hating on Serral; your words are vain, the overwhelming evidence is that our finnish friend absolutely deserves the #1 spot and that ENCE's money is well spent on Serral's salary. I think you got baited mate. Dont let him drag you under the bridge. Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere! His is not a lone bait, the majority of his posts sound like that one. I swear some of these troll accts must be created by some of the TL mods themselves to create traffic and replies He has yet to be warned or temp ban for these nonsense, yet we see other posters getting warned and banned for less shiet Am I seeing this right? The guy who called Luolis a gold player is complaining about trolls not being actioned? I dont know the guy, whether he is gold or not. But the way we had a discussion in another thread proves to me his knowledge of the game is around gold league. Cause no one in the other thread (beside one guy) could make a counter argument against my flank with ghost statement. Most of their response is "lolol you even play Terran?" Those posters are a total waste of my time He and the other Deacon whatever kid is on my ignore list because both their post are so idiotic it's not even worth replying or reading. This will be the last time I address this issue and I'm not going to keep entertaining people on this matter.
Golden league knowledge yet Luolis plays in GM, GM knowledge yet you say you play in low masters. I don't know how people without the knowledge can play above you, care to explain? 
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On September 17 2019 05:31 Dave4 wrote:
The moderators have deemed his conduct acceptable. Please refrain from calling people trolls unless a moderator has confirmed this to be the case.
Oh, indeed he was.
I'm almost displeased he was banned before I could reply one last time. A righteous ban, I have to say.
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On September 17 2019 06:55 Wombat_NI wrote:
You’re a pretty terrible troll if everyone thinks you’re a troll, aren’t you supposed to do it with some degree of subtlety and make it plausible that you have the opinions you do?
In a sense I do think we should kinda applaud him.
He is very committed and stays with this act.
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It's MaruPrime, not prime Maru :s
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On September 17 2019 05:31 Dave4 wrote:
The moderators have deemed his conduct acceptable. Please refrain from calling people trolls unless a moderator has confirmed this to be the case.
User was temp banned for this post.
This post just became some weird meta statement.
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I feel like this thread should come with complimentary hazmat suits .
I guess it was bound to happen with all the heated discussion around Serral for the last year. The "best player" discussion is only gonna get more interesting if Maru takes down another GSL. Exciting times for all! (Except for the mods. Poor mods ;_;)
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On September 17 2019 09:43 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 05:31 Dave4 wrote:
The moderators have deemed his conduct acceptable. Please refrain from calling people trolls unless a moderator has confirmed this to be the case.
User was temp banned for this post. This post just became some weird meta statement.
Hahaha that made my day, that was amazing, like a prophet digging his own grave
Serral has been S class forever, if he wins blizzcon and homestory this year I'm starting to feel the B word. Or we should just make up a new word in SC2 for a player dominating as hard as Serral consistently for over a year.
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On September 17 2019 16:30 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 09:43 Nakajin wrote:On September 17 2019 05:31 Dave4 wrote:
The moderators have deemed his conduct acceptable. Please refrain from calling people trolls unless a moderator has confirmed this to be the case.
User was temp banned for this post. This post just became some weird meta statement. Hahaha that made my day, that was amazing, like a prophet digging his own grave Serral has been S class forever, if he wins blizzcon and homestory this year I'm starting to feel the B word. Or we should just make up a new word in SC2 for a player dominating as hard as Serral consistently for over a year.
Soon to become "over two years."
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On September 17 2019 02:26 KobeSteak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2019 23:59 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 16 2019 22:53 KobeSteak wrote:On September 16 2019 16:17 Ej_ wrote:On September 16 2019 03:20 KobeSteak wrote:On September 15 2019 11:50 Xain0n wrote:On September 15 2019 11:37 burnturn wrote:On September 15 2019 10:32 Xain0n wrote:On September 15 2019 10:00 evanreyes94 wrote:On September 15 2019 09:59 Xain0n wrote:
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Pretty sure you are misinterpreting what happened here.
Also, I fully agree with evanreyes(now living in Finland, apparently....): Zest being #10 is a questionable decision.
As for MARY, even if that was the case, he would fail at Super Tournament(not to mention BlizzCon) and quickly abandon his newfound #1.
The only questionable decision is putting Serral at #1. Did ENCE pay off TL or something? Easily exposed. The only questionable decision is the one you took when you registered an account with the sole intention of trolling and hating on Serral; your words are vain, the overwhelming evidence is that our finnish friend absolutely deserves the #1 spot and that ENCE's money is well spent on Serral's salary. I think you got baited mate. Dont let him drag you under the bridge. Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere! His is not a lone bait, the majority of his posts sound like that one. I swear some of these troll accts must be created by some of the TL mods themselves to create traffic and replies He has yet to be warned or temp ban for these nonsense, yet we see other posters getting warned and banned for less shiet Am I seeing this right? The guy who called Luolis a gold player is complaining about trolls not being actioned? I dont know the guy, whether he is gold or not. But the way we had a discussion in another thread proves to me his knowledge of the game is around gold league. Cause no one in the other thread (beside one guy) could make a counter argument against my flank with ghost statement. Most of their response is "lolol you even play Terran?" Those posters are a total waste of my time He and the other Deacon whatever kid is on my ignore list because both their post are so idiotic it's not even worth replying or reading. This will be the last time I address this issue and I'm not going to keep entertaining people on this matter. I mean people did actually make plenty of counter arguments in that thread, Luolis and me definitely traded multiple posts on it. You were indeed one of the good posters with replies from that thread. Appreciated it
I could communicate with Wombat just fine. Maybe you are the problem? )))
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