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On September 13 2019 13:41 machinus wrote:
How is Maru winning that poll?
Zerg is extremely good right now, and Dark is the current champion. Dark should be a heavy favorite to win.
Did you watch Maru vs Ragnarok? Zerg being strong didn't save him.
In regards to the negativity, its interesting you think we are negative, from my perspective you "GSL will continue forever and anyone who says otherwise is negative" people are either very disconnected from reality (how money is needed to make things actually continue) or in denial.
Blizzard sponsors GSL with prize money, thats how I thought it always worked. If Blizzard isn't sponsoring where is the money coming from? SC2 in korea is very very small, this can also be seen in how hard it has been for GSL to get any sponsors from within korea in the last couple of years.
That a korean league would continue perpetually when it isn't popular in korea is just being naive. Viewers outside of korea are harder to monetize and sponsors are harder to find for that demographic in korea. Blizzards sponsorship is what makes it go around, thats what I think anyway which paints a grim picture. The alternative is that GSL is making losses with every season and that cannot continue forever either, either way I think its going to end soon if nothing changes.
Edit: Of course its only my deductions, I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just negative but to me it seems realistic, I guess I want to prepare myself for the worst so I don't turn into too much a sad wreck if it happens :p
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They do not sponsors GSL but asking for fees. Main sponsor is Lotte (Hot6, MD). Blizzard = "Organizer"
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On September 13 2019 16:25 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 13:41 machinus wrote:
How is Maru winning that poll?
Zerg is extremely good right now, and Dark is the current champion. Dark should be a heavy favorite to win. Did you watch Maru vs Ragnarok? Zerg being strong didn't save him. In regards to the negativity, its interesting you think we are negative, from my perspective you "GSL will continue forever and anyone who says otherwise is negative" people are either very disconnected from reality (how money is needed to make things actually continue) or in denial. Blizzard sponsors GSL with prize money, thats how I thought it always worked. If Blizzard isn't sponsoring where is the money coming from? SC2 in korea is very very small, this can also be seen in how hard it has been for GSL to get any sponsors from within korea in the last couple of years. That a korean league would continue perpetually when it isn't popular in korea is just being naive. Viewers outside of korea are harder to monetize and sponsors are harder to find for that demographic in korea. Blizzards sponsorship is what makes it go around, thats what I think anyway which paints a grim picture. The alternative is that GSL is making losses with every season and that cannot continue forever either, either way I think its going to end soon if nothing changes. Edit: Of course its only my deductions, I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just negative but to me it seems realistic, I guess I want to prepare myself for the worst so I don't turn into too much a sad wreck if it happens :p
Is there any specific reason for you to assume this is going to be the last GSL season? It might be, but there isn't any indication it will; the "natural" state is that there will be another one.
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On September 13 2019 19:08 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 16:25 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 13 2019 13:41 machinus wrote:
How is Maru winning that poll?
Zerg is extremely good right now, and Dark is the current champion. Dark should be a heavy favorite to win. Did you watch Maru vs Ragnarok? Zerg being strong didn't save him. In regards to the negativity, its interesting you think we are negative, from my perspective you "GSL will continue forever and anyone who says otherwise is negative" people are either very disconnected from reality (how money is needed to make things actually continue) or in denial. Blizzard sponsors GSL with prize money, thats how I thought it always worked. If Blizzard isn't sponsoring where is the money coming from? SC2 in korea is very very small, this can also be seen in how hard it has been for GSL to get any sponsors from within korea in the last couple of years. That a korean league would continue perpetually when it isn't popular in korea is just being naive. Viewers outside of korea are harder to monetize and sponsors are harder to find for that demographic in korea. Blizzards sponsorship is what makes it go around, thats what I think anyway which paints a grim picture. The alternative is that GSL is making losses with every season and that cannot continue forever either, either way I think its going to end soon if nothing changes. Edit: Of course its only my deductions, I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just negative but to me it seems realistic, I guess I want to prepare myself for the worst so I don't turn into too much a sad wreck if it happens :p Is there any specific reason for you to assume this is going to be the last GSL season? It might be, but there isn't any indication it will; the "natural" state is that there will be another one.
You are replying to the post where I explained my reasoning thoroughly, which part of it is unclear?
Edit: Also I have never written anywhere that I believe this is going to be the last GSL season, why do you assume that?
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On September 13 2019 19:39 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 19:08 Xain0n wrote:On September 13 2019 16:25 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 13 2019 13:41 machinus wrote:
How is Maru winning that poll?
Zerg is extremely good right now, and Dark is the current champion. Dark should be a heavy favorite to win. Did you watch Maru vs Ragnarok? Zerg being strong didn't save him. In regards to the negativity, its interesting you think we are negative, from my perspective you "GSL will continue forever and anyone who says otherwise is negative" people are either very disconnected from reality (how money is needed to make things actually continue) or in denial. Blizzard sponsors GSL with prize money, thats how I thought it always worked. If Blizzard isn't sponsoring where is the money coming from? SC2 in korea is very very small, this can also be seen in how hard it has been for GSL to get any sponsors from within korea in the last couple of years. That a korean league would continue perpetually when it isn't popular in korea is just being naive. Viewers outside of korea are harder to monetize and sponsors are harder to find for that demographic in korea. Blizzards sponsorship is what makes it go around, thats what I think anyway which paints a grim picture. The alternative is that GSL is making losses with every season and that cannot continue forever either, either way I think its going to end soon if nothing changes. Edit: Of course its only my deductions, I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just negative but to me it seems realistic, I guess I want to prepare myself for the worst so I don't turn into too much a sad wreck if it happens :p Is there any specific reason for you to assume this is going to be the last GSL season? It might be, but there isn't any indication it will; the "natural" state is that there will be another one. You are replying to the post where I explained my reasoning thoroughly, which part of it is unclear? Edit: Also I have never written anywhere that I believe this is going to be the last GSL season, why do you assume that?
Those are generic reasons to believe GSL might end.
Nakajin wished it wouldn't be this time, you didn't; the point of view is the same tho.
It's like constantly saying out loud you wish a certain old man not to die: it would be understandable at that age but if there aren't clear signs it's happening soon, what's the point?
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On September 12 2019 16:36 Veluvian wrote:
Many Maru fans would disagree, but I got the feeling that Ragnarok just stopped playing in the last two matches despite the promising start. By "stopped" I mean LITERALLY. After Ragnarok mutated lots of brood lords he either had no idea what to do with them or may be his head had just overheated. He did some godlike moves in the very start of the whole game and then what... Maru played so comfortable without any form of tease or attack in the end in his base, of course in this scenario he will look unstoppable by building 6 - 7 atomic bombs... why those beautiful double nyduses just... stopped!!! Dark or any other top zerg would switch to a new army composition when he sees an obvious sky mass liberator/viking/BC terran. I don't think that Ragnarok has a lack of skill because he really started seriously and we got some Nestea vibes in some situations.
Maru of course looked extraordinary again. I can't blame him in anything, he is a pro and is doing his job as best as he can. But honestly most of the Code S players don't show the skill of a real pro back in the real pro days in team houses and especially back in the gold BW classical era. Damn, Zest did some pathetic moves against Rogue, the guy who invented the PvZ from HotS era as we know it...
I had his first person up and man it looked pretty rough, Mary was absolutely everywhere, all the time, especially the last two games. He was having a tough time just defending and not bleeding out, although yes of course he could have played even better ultimately he put up a pretty good showing vs an in-form Maru.
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Did Maru veto Cobalt? Judging from the TY vs Dark games it looks exceptionally hard to play vZ once it goes lategame, and I imagine this would be the case vP. Surprised more Zergs at least don’t pick it, is it just vetoed a lot?
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Why would they stop GSL and or WCS?
I don't think it's that expensive and even if they "lose" money. You always "lose" money, be it for advertising, PR stunts or whatever.
AFAIK Hots was waaaaay more expensive with salaries and stuff and the fanbase was waaaay lower. Also it was a niche game in a huge market where as Starcraft IS the market.
Maybe they will do more online cups where you earn points, maybe they will merge WCS and GSL, doing one offline event per continent. We'll see
But I really don't think they are giving us the HotS treatment. Can they even afford another shitstorm? (Maybe they can, damn you WoW (Classic) people!!! )
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On September 13 2019 21:33 Harris1st wrote:
Why would they stop GSL and or WCS?
I don't think it's that expensive and even if they "lose" money. You always "lose" money, be it for advertising, PR stunts or whatever.
AFAIK Hots was waaaaay more expensive with salaries and stuff and the fanbase was waaaay lower. Also it was a niche game in a huge market where as Starcraft IS the market.
Maybe they will do more online cups where you earn points, maybe they will merge WCS and GSL, doing one offline event per continent. We'll see
But I really don't think they are giving us the HotS treatment. Can they even afford another shitstorm? (Maybe they can, damn you WoW (Classic) people!!! )
Fingers crossed anyway. For me, more than almost any game I think the pro scene is really inspirational to people who play and want to at least part emulate what they see at the highest level of play. Sure people will still play regardless but it would be ripping out a big part of the appeal, at least for me.
The pro scene is just so integral to the game, be it in strats and builds coming down, the associated talk shows that have gone with it, streamers who are pros and LR threads and the like.
If you strip all that away, how many people still engage with the game as a hobby that isn’t just playing the game is gone or greatly diminished.
I really do not think that is a smart idea, even from a purely commercial angle.
WC Reforged is coming out, which is a shot for Blizz to pull in a new crowd to a classic game (MOBA players and WoW players especially which also has eSports potential, along with an already dedicated scene already. At least in our local scene there’s a lot of interest from folks like me who loved WC3, and people who haven’t played it before who are burned out on SC2 or found it too mechanically difficult.
If nothing else I can’t see Blizzard gutting SC2 in 2020 with a semi-new RTS game approaching, especially when many notable talking heads like Rotti, ToD et al have a big WC3 background.
They’ll really piss off many SC2 fans if they pull that plug, and presumably if they were to push a Reforged tournament scene and expand there, pissing off guys like ToD and Rotti by pulling a HoTS would make them less enthusiastic about taking their talents to any Blizz-endorsed Reforged Tournament scene
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On September 13 2019 07:04 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 05:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 13 2019 03:53 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 12 2019 22:15 Conut wrote:On September 12 2019 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
I hope Maru can make it, if this is the last GSL we'll ever get, I want the guy who was there on the first day to be there at the last. Why is everyone saying this lately, did I miss some news? If you are unaware of the general cutbacks on SC2 that Actiblizz has done over the last 1-2 years then yes, you've missed a lot of news. Personally I really hope both Maru and Rogue make it, especially Maru but thats what I always say so everyone already knows it =P Really hyped for Dark vs Rogue to be honest =) It's been a while since something new regarding that has come up. And I haven't heard any news GSL related, which has run for years even without Blizzard money. So, no it's not unreasonable to ask where the GSL comment is coming from. Is GSL running without blizzard money? Do you know this for a fact? I find it quite difficult to get solid info on what blizzard's involvement with afreeca actually is. I thought Blizzard contributed to the prizepool in the WCS era.
Yea, I don't really know. I'm pretty sure blizzard pay at least some for GSL vs the world but it's hard to figure out what's really going on (someone writes in this thread that afreeca actually pay blizzard). It would be great to know how it works.
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On September 13 2019 23:11 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 07:04 BisuDagger wrote:On September 13 2019 05:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 13 2019 03:53 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 12 2019 22:15 Conut wrote:On September 12 2019 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
I hope Maru can make it, if this is the last GSL we'll ever get, I want the guy who was there on the first day to be there at the last. Why is everyone saying this lately, did I miss some news? If you are unaware of the general cutbacks on SC2 that Actiblizz has done over the last 1-2 years then yes, you've missed a lot of news. Personally I really hope both Maru and Rogue make it, especially Maru but thats what I always say so everyone already knows it =P Really hyped for Dark vs Rogue to be honest =) It's been a while since something new regarding that has come up. And I haven't heard any news GSL related, which has run for years even without Blizzard money. So, no it's not unreasonable to ask where the GSL comment is coming from. Is GSL running without blizzard money? Do you know this for a fact? I find it quite difficult to get solid info on what blizzard's involvement with afreeca actually is. I thought Blizzard contributed to the prizepool in the WCS era. Yea, I don't really know. I'm pretty sure blizzard pay at least some for GSL vs the world but it's hard to figure out what's really going on (someone writes in this thread that afreeca actually pay blizzard). It would be great to know how it works.
Somehow these threads always manage to degenerate into "deadgame" bullshit lmao. None of you have the slightest idea what Blizzards strategy is or what is going to happen with GSL. If you dont have any current relevant facts to share (new news) then keep your paranoia to yourself. Nobody wants to read about it here (a sc2 thread).
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Dark and Maru clear favourites, But Rogue and Trap have a decent chance.
Even tho Dark is better he can be cocky and can throw, plus its a ZvZ so that favours Rogue
We dont know which Maru we will see. Trap is more consistent.
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Maru!!!!! you can do this!! avenge TY for us :3
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On September 12 2019 05:11 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2019 04:44 Serimek wrote:
Maru looked very good, back in shape. Are we going to finally have a real series between him and Serral at Blizzcon? It might have been one of those cases where RagnaroK played JUST well enough to make Maru look good, without really putting up a fight on the level of real top Zergs. Maru vs either Zerg in the finals would give us a better idea, so I'll defer judgment until then!
What about Maru vs Solar?
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On September 15 2019 10:52 joon wrote:
Maru!!!!! you can do this!! avenge TY for us :3
Ironically I still feel like TY was robbed of a GSL Season 3 trophy last year...by Maru
Regardless, go Maru!
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i'm not a protoss player but i still want trap to win this gsl.
he finished 3-4 in season 1, 2nd in season 2, seems perfect for him to make yet another leap and take it all.
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On September 13 2019 23:11 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 07:04 BisuDagger wrote:On September 13 2019 05:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 13 2019 03:53 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 12 2019 22:15 Conut wrote:On September 12 2019 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
I hope Maru can make it, if this is the last GSL we'll ever get, I want the guy who was there on the first day to be there at the last. Why is everyone saying this lately, did I miss some news? If you are unaware of the general cutbacks on SC2 that Actiblizz has done over the last 1-2 years then yes, you've missed a lot of news. Personally I really hope both Maru and Rogue make it, especially Maru but thats what I always say so everyone already knows it =P Really hyped for Dark vs Rogue to be honest =) It's been a while since something new regarding that has come up. And I haven't heard any news GSL related, which has run for years even without Blizzard money. So, no it's not unreasonable to ask where the GSL comment is coming from. Is GSL running without blizzard money? Do you know this for a fact? I find it quite difficult to get solid info on what blizzard's involvement with afreeca actually is. I thought Blizzard contributed to the prizepool in the WCS era. Yea, I don't really know. I'm pretty sure blizzard pay at least some for GSL vs the world but it's hard to figure out what's really going on (someone writes in this thread that afreeca actually pay blizzard). It would be great to know how it works.
gsl gets supported by blizzard, not the other way around.. Without Blizzard almost everything you guys enjoy watching, where ever it may be wouldn't be happening. HSC is one of the few tournaments that happens without Blizz support even though they do highlight it etc
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On September 18 2019 20:15 RotterdaM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 23:11 sneakyfox wrote:On September 13 2019 07:04 BisuDagger wrote:On September 13 2019 05:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 13 2019 03:53 BisuDagger wrote:On September 12 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:On September 12 2019 22:15 Conut wrote:On September 12 2019 21:40 Nakajin wrote:
I hope Maru can make it, if this is the last GSL we'll ever get, I want the guy who was there on the first day to be there at the last. Why is everyone saying this lately, did I miss some news? If you are unaware of the general cutbacks on SC2 that Actiblizz has done over the last 1-2 years then yes, you've missed a lot of news. Personally I really hope both Maru and Rogue make it, especially Maru but thats what I always say so everyone already knows it =P Really hyped for Dark vs Rogue to be honest =) It's been a while since something new regarding that has come up. And I haven't heard any news GSL related, which has run for years even without Blizzard money. So, no it's not unreasonable to ask where the GSL comment is coming from. Is GSL running without blizzard money? Do you know this for a fact? I find it quite difficult to get solid info on what blizzard's involvement with afreeca actually is. I thought Blizzard contributed to the prizepool in the WCS era. Yea, I don't really know. I'm pretty sure blizzard pay at least some for GSL vs the world but it's hard to figure out what's really going on (someone writes in this thread that afreeca actually pay blizzard). It would be great to know how it works. gsl gets supported by blizzard, not the other way around.. Without Blizzard almost everything you guys enjoy watching, where ever it may be wouldn't be happening. HSC is one of the few tournaments that happens without Blizz support even though they do highlight it etc
Thanks for the info, that's really good to know.
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