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GSL vs. The World 2019: Players & Bracket

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
August 02 2019 12:42 GMT
#1

GSL vs. The World 2019

Fan voting for GSL vs. The World 2019 has concluded and the rosters for Team World and Team GSL have been determined. Tune in on August 15th for the start of the tournament!

Team Korea/GSL

Terran seed: Maru
Zerg seed: Dark
Protoss seed: Classic

Terran vote winner: FanTaSy
Zerg vote winner: soO
Protoss vote winner: Stats
Wild card* #1: Trap
Wild card #2: TY

*Next-most votes across all race polls

Team World

Terran seed: SpeCial
Zerg seed: Serral
Protoss seed: Neeb

Terran vote winner: HeRoMaRinE
Zerg vote winner: Elazer
Protoss vote winner: ShoWTimE
Wild card: Reynor
Chinese Representative: TIME
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 02 2019 12:45 GMT
#2
lol Neeb vs Showtime RIP, they could go against each other in Assembly if they both advance from the Ro16 lol
Faker is the GOAT!
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 02 2019 12:46 GMT
#3
maru vs stats and ty vs serral

beast
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Yoyosc2
Profile Joined April 2019
1 Post
August 02 2019 12:52 GMT
#4
Pretty hype, a bit disappointed about the gsl vs gsl and world vs world matchups we ended up with but I guess that just means the foreigners will make it farther
Unless you’re 6k+ don’t balance whine. You’re just bad.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
August 02 2019 12:54 GMT
#5
Gyuri you draw worse brackets every year, please get it together.
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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
August 02 2019 12:55 GMT
#6
Fantasy got more votes than Inno and Elazer more than Reynor? Rigged polls?
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 02 2019 12:59 GMT
#7
This should be dope.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 02 2019 13:00 GMT
#8
On August 02 2019 21:55 Greenei wrote:
Fantasy got more votes than Inno and Elazer more than Reynor? Rigged polls?


it's all about popularity and fan base
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IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
August 02 2019 13:03 GMT
#9
Voting was fine but this bracket is just bad, it should be gsl vs world and not random, or at least some seeding...
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
August 02 2019 13:03 GMT
#10
On August 02 2019 22:00 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2019 21:55 Greenei wrote:
Fantasy got more votes than Inno and Elazer more than Reynor? Rigged polls?


it's all about popularity and fan base

This might surprise you but Elazer doesn't actually have a fan base bigger than any other player in this tournament.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 02 2019 13:04 GMT
#11
i like the bracket
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 02 2019 13:11 GMT
#12
On August 02 2019 22:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2019 22:00 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 02 2019 21:55 Greenei wrote:
Fantasy got more votes than Inno and Elazer more than Reynor? Rigged polls?


it's all about popularity and fan base

This might surprise you but Elazer doesn't actually have a fan base bigger than any other player in this tournament.

perhaps, but then he had a more dedicated fan base that went the extra mile.






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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 02 2019 13:12 GMT
#13
I just continue to not understand why the bracket isn't designed to be korean vs. foreigner on Ro16.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Soyuz
Profile Joined July 2011
Hong Kong996 Posts
August 02 2019 13:12 GMT
#14
On August 02 2019 22:03 IArako wrote:
Voting was fine but this bracket is just bad, it should be gsl vs world and not random, or at least some seeding...


Some KR vs KR, World vs World guarantees that you'll see non-KR players (aside from Serral(?) sorry TY) in the ro8.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10057 Posts
August 02 2019 13:13 GMT
#15
i dont like the bracket
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12800 Posts
August 02 2019 13:16 GMT
#16
I think these brackets are among the worst for terrans, I suspect we might have 0 terrans in the ro8 if Maru doesn't beat Stats. Is it played before of after the new patch?

Predictions:
(Z)Dark 3-0 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (T)TIME

(T)Maru 3-1 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 2-3 (P)ShoWTimE

(Z)Serral 3-1 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE

(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-0 (T)FanTaSy

Both (Z)Elazer and (T)FanTaSy will get destroyed by their opponent but I don't think (Z)Scarlett would have beaten (Z)Dark, as for (T)INnoVation versus (P)Classic I guess it depends on the patch but (T)INnoVation would have had a better shot at beating (P)Classic than (T)FanTaSy, for sure
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 02 2019 13:21 GMT
#17
How's the balance of power these days? Is every KR player bar Fantasy (or including Fantasy?) favoured over every foreigner that's not Serral?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
August 02 2019 13:24 GMT
#18
Maru vs Stats and Fanta v Classic pretty disappointing in round 1. Should swap Special and Fantasy's spots and swap Neeb/Showtime for Stats...

Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
August 02 2019 13:29 GMT
#19
On August 02 2019 22:21 Orome wrote:
How's the balance of power these days? Is every KR player bar Fantasy (or including Fantasy?) favoured over every foreigner that's not Serral?

Well, as of today I'd say Fantasy and soO are the GSL team's weak links and can definitely (are likely to?) lose to players other than Serral. Two weeks of preparation might change things though.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2718 Posts
August 02 2019 13:36 GMT
#20
Well you know what they say, a good bracket is most likely a rigged bracket. That the bracket is terrible probably means it was completely fair (no seeding)
very illegal and very uncool
batatm
Profile Joined June 2014
Israel116 Posts
August 02 2019 14:04 GMT
#21
a pity Fatnasy isn't againt a foreigner, him being beaten sily by reynor would have make my day.
oh well at least he still play against Special in GSL ro16.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 02 2019 14:07 GMT
#22
Whoever wins between Maru and Stats should have an easy path to the finals. Shame it has to happen in the first round
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15929 Posts
August 02 2019 14:09 GMT
#23
On August 02 2019 22:12 opisska wrote:
I just continue to not understand why the bracket isn't designed to be korean vs. foreigner on Ro16.

I understand it.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
August 02 2019 14:13 GMT
#24
Damn I really don't like this bracket. I hope Maru saves us from a 0 Terran ro8 or I might only tune into the first day. But Stats as his first opponent makes me nervous.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
August 02 2019 14:14 GMT
#25
On August 02 2019 23:07 Fango wrote:
Whoever wins between Maru and Stats should have an easy path to the finals. Shame it has to happen in the first round


Actually not, with Dark is still there. And once again Maru has the toughest path to the final.
On the other hand, Serral can have other strong XvT players to eliminate Maru before he gets to play him, how lucky.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 14:18:00
August 02 2019 14:17 GMT
#26
On August 02 2019 23:14 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2019 23:07 Fango wrote:
Whoever wins between Maru and Stats should have an easy path to the finals. Shame it has to happen in the first round


Actually not, with Dark is still there. And once again Maru has the toughest path to the final.
On the other hand, Serral can have other strong XvT players to eliminate Maru before he gets to play him, how lucky.

Dark doesn't beat Stats or Maru anymore.

Though he has been smacking all of Maru's skyterran shenanigans on stream lately.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 14:23:45
August 02 2019 14:21 GMT
#27
It's absolutely incredible how much you guys can whine about Terran weeks in advance, it surprises me every time.

Dark 3-0ing Elazer? I doubt it; Dark is the favourite, but I would really love to see the villain of this whole fanvote upsetting the Code S champ: it's possible with EU ZvZ! Also, TIME has a shot to advance if soO is playing like he did at ASUS ROG.
Stats having an easy path if he beats Maru? He lost 2-0 to Showtime yesterday, maybe it wouldn't be that easy.
Classic is deceptively weakish in TvP but I think he should be strong enough to beat Fantasy.

I would say Dark 3-2, TIME 3-2, Maru 3-1, Showtime 3-2, Serral 3-1, Trap 3-0, Reynor 3-1, Classic 3-1.
ot4_AUT
Profile Joined February 2019
6 Posts
August 02 2019 14:26 GMT
#28
Lets all hope Elazer gets destroyed same as Kelazhur last year. Abusing the system should not reward the player.

Sad for Heromarine, his TvP is not that good at the moment and even if he manages to win there will wait Serral for him.
Audustum
Profile Joined July 2019
7 Posts
August 02 2019 14:40 GMT
#29
I must be alone in thinking TY-Serral is anybody's game. They're both very highly skilled.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25156 Posts
August 02 2019 14:55 GMT
#30
I really don’t mind the bracket at all, lots of interesting matchups incoming.

That said I feel they really should force foreigner vs Korean matchups, but if they’re not going to do that it’s worked out OK to my tastes anyway.

Fantasy’s vP is interesting to watch and he approaches it differently to many, so getting a good P in Classic should be good.

Serral vs Ty hype as well, having pretty convincingly beat Inno now another top Korean Terran.

TIME is looking good at Assembly and soO is on a semi slump, but will be a stern test for the most exciting talent to come out of China and is on an upward trajectory.
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yyltyler
Profile Joined February 2018
23 Posts
August 02 2019 14:56 GMT
#31
I hate special privileges for foreigners (excluding serral). Why not just throw all the koreans towards all the foreigners right at the first round to see who’s better? Now with this puny format we get less gsl vs the world and more seperate WCS/GSL matchups, which is bad for the viewership anyway.

If Blizzard is selling the ‘foreigners have caught up to koreans’ narrative, prove it with more direct GSL vs the world. If they intend to secure certain foreigner presence in the later stages, then Blizzard is just admitting foreigners are weaker than Koreans. What they are selling does not align with what they are actually doing. What a joke.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
August 02 2019 15:00 GMT
#32
Stats is going to rekt Maru again
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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skydumbos
Profile Joined August 2019
1 Post
August 02 2019 15:19 GMT
#33
dark vs elazer is a classic
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
August 02 2019 16:18 GMT
#34
In terms of player strength the bracket looks pretty good, with the championship contenders spread across all 4 quarters. And it also has a fair chance of producing a Korea vs World final, with Serral and Reynor on one side and most of the stronger Koreans on the other. I think it's a nice bracket.


On August 02 2019 23:56 yyltyler wrote:
I hate special privileges for foreigners (excluding serral). Why not just throw all the koreans towards all the foreigners right at the first round to see who’s better? Now with this puny format we get less gsl vs the world and more seperate WCS/GSL matchups, which is bad for the viewership anyway.

If Blizzard is selling the ‘foreigners have caught up to koreans’ narrative, prove it with more direct GSL vs the world. If they intend to secure certain foreigner presence in the later stages, then Blizzard is just admitting foreigners are weaker than Koreans. What they are selling does not align with what they are actually doing. What a joke.


What are you talking about? How is it "special privileges" when they literally made a random draw? What you are actually saying is that you DO want special privileges for the Koreans by guaranteeing them a foreigner opponent in the first round.

Blizzard doesn't "intend" anything. If they did they would have placed restrictions on the bracket but that's exactly what they didn't do. They see all players as equal in this tournament, so they are treating them all the same. It aligns perfectly.
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MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
August 02 2019 16:22 GMT
#35
On August 02 2019 22:12 opisska wrote:
I just continue to not understand why the bracket isn't designed to be korean vs. foreigner on Ro16.


Same here. I was almost certain that it was until i saw the brackets.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
August 02 2019 16:33 GMT
#36
On August 03 2019 01:22 MooLen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2019 22:12 opisska wrote:
I just continue to not understand why the bracket isn't designed to be korean vs. foreigner on Ro16.


Same here. I was almost certain that it was until i saw the brackets.

The current bracket style isn't so bad although it does suck to see some of the favorites matched up in the opening round. At least we are guaranteed to see some great opening games.

However, it would be really interesting if each round it was reordered to guarantee korean vs foreigner matchup first and then the remaining would be KvK or FvF. However, this format would give the greatest possible potential to eliminating Foreigners as early as possibe.
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MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
August 02 2019 16:55 GMT
#37
fantasy stomps all, gets bored and goes back to brood war where he belongs......one can dream, right?
but seriously im really glad fantasy made it.
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 02 2019 17:21 GMT
#38
Maru v Stats again?!
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 02 2019 17:26 GMT
#39
I'd be annoyed about what appears to be Elazer voting shenanigans if:
1) He wasn't higher in WCS standings than Scarlett
2) Scarlett didn't make it to the two previous events over more deserving players.

The moral of the story is Blizzard shouldn't be sponsoring popularity contests.
Mettis
Profile Joined June 2019
84 Posts
August 02 2019 17:36 GMT
#40
What is the prizepool etc?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 02 2019 19:02 GMT
#41
Wish they'd go back to it really being GSL vs the world in the bracket. Think foreigners are strong enough that not everyone but Serral loses automatically, especially with a bit of bracket luck.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
aringadingding
Profile Joined September 2010
474 Posts
August 02 2019 19:16 GMT
#42
heromarine.... hmmm
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
August 02 2019 20:22 GMT
#43
Pretty happy with the vote after all. With Elazer getting in through troll votes I can happily dedicate myself to rooting for Fanta and actually just enjoy the slaughter of foreigners for once
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 02 2019 20:43 GMT
#44
Dafuck? Maru v STats? oO Well... also Fanta v Classic, let's see how he preparers when he was all about "I must be at this event!@#!#!!!"
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texture13
Profile Joined July 2018
44 Posts
August 02 2019 21:06 GMT
#45
I can just imagine a possible Dark interview.
Dark: I am so jealous of Classic's draw. If he doesn't make it to the semifinals, he is a fool.

(Note that I do not necessarily think this is true. It is also an example of Dark leaning into his persona.)
texture13
Profile Joined July 2018
44 Posts
August 02 2019 21:08 GMT
#46
On August 02 2019 23:26 z4kard wrote:
Lets all hope Elazer gets destroyed same as Kelazhur last year. Abusing the system should not reward the player. ...


I hope so too!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
August 02 2019 21:40 GMT
#47
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there.

Hoping for a Dark win.

I Protoss winner, could it be?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
August 02 2019 22:00 GMT
#48
What's the head-to-head for Classic and Reynor look like? Did they only play that time that Reynor beat him?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15929 Posts
August 02 2019 22:08 GMT
#49
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there.

Hoping for a Dark win.


So... exactly like Blizzcon?
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
August 02 2019 22:21 GMT
#50
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there.

Hoping for a Dark win.


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
texture13
Profile Joined July 2018
44 Posts
August 02 2019 22:33 GMT
#51
On August 03 2019 07:21 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there. ...


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?


I do not think it should be exactly like Blizzcon, but I think purely a popularity contest is stupid.
What I think would be nice is either some sort of weighted average (of fan vote, player vote, and something like aligulac score) or a qualifier for GSL vs. the World.
For player vote, let's put some restriction on this. Players must have qualified for GSL Code S or top 32 of a WCS event. If a qualifier, just have the players, who qualified for the voting, play against each other.
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 02 2019 22:43 GMT
#52
On August 03 2019 07:33 texture13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 07:21 Penev wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there. ...


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?


I do not think it should be exactly like Blizzcon, but I think purely a popularity contest is stupid.
What I think would be nice is either some sort of weighted average (of fan vote, player vote, and something like aligulac score) or a qualifier for GSL vs. the World.
For player vote, let's put some restriction on this. Players must have qualified for GSL Code S or top 32 of a WCS event. If a qualifier, just have the players, who qualified for the voting, play against each other.


I actually like a popularity tourney just for fun thing, I don't like when random people who dont even watch the game vote for a player they dont even know, but oh well it's still pretty lit even with Elazer getting in

Sc2 always got your back
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 02 2019 22:48 GMT
#53
On August 03 2019 07:43 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 07:33 texture13 wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:21 Penev wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there. ...


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?


I do not think it should be exactly like Blizzcon, but I think purely a popularity contest is stupid.
What I think would be nice is either some sort of weighted average (of fan vote, player vote, and something like aligulac score) or a qualifier for GSL vs. the World.
For player vote, let's put some restriction on this. Players must have qualified for GSL Code S or top 32 of a WCS event. If a qualifier, just have the players, who qualified for the voting, play against each other.


I actually like a popularity tourney just for fun thing, I don't like when random people who dont even watch the game vote for a player they dont even know, but oh well it's still pretty lit even with Elazer getting in

Elazer's voters know as little about SC2 as the people that voted in a tier 3 Zerg player the last two years: piss nothing.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-02 22:52:33
August 02 2019 22:51 GMT
#54
I feel bad that TY will be the sacrificial lamb for Serral, but maybe he has a chance. Still expect 3-2 win for Serral. Special vs. Reynor seems like a bit of a waste, one of them should've swapped spots on the Classic vs. Fantasy matchup instead. Neeb vs. Showtime too is a huge waste.

These group draws are disappointing.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
noise.harvester
Profile Joined September 2017
9 Posts
August 02 2019 23:00 GMT
#55
For a random draw this sure turned out well. Very stupid that they don’t make sure every match is foreign vs kor in ro16 though.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 02 2019 23:03 GMT
#56
looks way more stacked than last year, super excited. shame that Reynor Special, Serral TY, and Maru Stats are all first round matchups
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
August 02 2019 23:10 GMT
#57
On August 03 2019 08:00 noise.harvester wrote:
For a random draw this sure turned out well. Very stupid that they don’t make sure every match is foreign vs kor in ro16 though.

i actually like it better this way, it'd be really lame if somehow all the foreigners lost like it used to be
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-03 00:13:37
August 03 2019 00:13 GMT
#58
On August 03 2019 08:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 08:00 noise.harvester wrote:
For a random draw this sure turned out well. Very stupid that they don’t make sure every match is foreign vs kor in ro16 though.

i actually like it better this way, it'd be really lame if somehow all the foreigners lost like it used to be

What does it matter if they all go out in the first round or the second in your scenario? The only thing that that accomplishes is that it gives additional prize money to the lesser players because of bracket luck which is the exact opposite of how things should work.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25156 Posts
August 03 2019 01:00 GMT
#59
On August 03 2019 09:13 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 08:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On August 03 2019 08:00 noise.harvester wrote:
For a random draw this sure turned out well. Very stupid that they don’t make sure every match is foreign vs kor in ro16 though.

i actually like it better this way, it'd be really lame if somehow all the foreigners lost like it used to be

What does it matter if they all go out in the first round or the second in your scenario? The only thing that that accomplishes is that it gives additional prize money to the lesser players because of bracket luck which is the exact opposite of how things should work.

Bracket luck is always a thing in basically every single SC2 tournament there’s ever been though.

You could seed it by WCS points and have best foreigner against worst Korean and vice versa moving down the ranks, would be how I’d do it if it was to be seeded.

On the other hand rigidly seeding a tournament with such a popularity vote component seems a bit wonky
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 03 2019 02:38 GMT
#60
bitching about brackets is like heroin for starcraft fans
TL+ Member
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 03 2019 03:44 GMT
#61
On August 03 2019 07:48 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 07:43 Conut wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:33 texture13 wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:21 Penev wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there. ...


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?


I do not think it should be exactly like Blizzcon, but I think purely a popularity contest is stupid.
What I think would be nice is either some sort of weighted average (of fan vote, player vote, and something like aligulac score) or a qualifier for GSL vs. the World.
For player vote, let's put some restriction on this. Players must have qualified for GSL Code S or top 32 of a WCS event. If a qualifier, just have the players, who qualified for the voting, play against each other.


I actually like a popularity tourney just for fun thing, I don't like when random people who dont even watch the game vote for a player they dont even know, but oh well it's still pretty lit even with Elazer getting in

Elazer's voters know as little about SC2 as the people that voted in a tier 3 Zerg player the last two years: piss nothing.



Get out of here lmao, scarrlett is always a threat in every tourney and has been pretty solid minus maybe the last 4-6months, Elazers voters doesnt even know who he is lmao, dont even try and compare the fanbase of each voters.

What a joke of a comment lol
Sc2 always got your back
alestormsabaton1994
Profile Joined September 2018
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-03 04:13:45
August 03 2019 04:11 GMT
#62
Scarlett fans are the clowns. I voted for Elazer just becuase I didnt want to see Scarlett in this tournament.

Scarlett is the player I hate the most with Naniwa.

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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
August 03 2019 04:36 GMT
#63
I too prefer to see Elazer get knocked out in round 1 than watch Scarlett get knocked out in round 1.
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
August 03 2019 04:45 GMT
#64
Elazer and FanTaSy both got karma.

Somewhere, Scarlett and INnoVation are respectively chuckling to themselves....


TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 03 2019 06:56 GMT
#65
On August 03 2019 13:11 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Scarlett fans are the clowns. I voted for Elazer just becuase I didnt want to see Scarlett in this tournament.

Scarlett is the player I hate the most with Naniwa.


Lol cool?

Thanks for your input my dude
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-03 06:58:16
August 03 2019 06:56 GMT
#66
On August 03 2019 15:56 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 13:11 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Scarlett fans are the clowns. I voted for Elazer just becuase I didnt want to see Scarlett in this tournament.

Scarlett is the player I hate the most with Naniwa.


Lol cool?

Thanks for your input my dude


Bet your vote, one amongst thousandths really turned the tide 😂
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
August 03 2019 07:20 GMT
#67
Dark is gonna kill Maru, Serral not so sure
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 03 2019 09:43 GMT
#68
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there.

Hoping for a Dark win.


while that would be fair and i agree, i think they're a bit scared of the lowest Koreans beating the top foreigners and that being a bit embarrassing.

while i don't think that's super likely currently, it is definitely a possibility.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 03 2019 09:50 GMT
#69
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
August 03 2019 10:04 GMT
#70
Ok, I understand how people do not vote for the most entertaining terran, which is Gumiho, but how can you not vote for Innovation, who is the second best terran after Maru. Why would you pick Fantasy? He's so bad, he will lose like every game. Gosh.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
August 03 2019 12:37 GMT
#71
On August 03 2019 19:04 LuckyGnomTV wrote:
Ok, I understand how people do not vote for the most entertaining terran, which is Gumiho, but how can you not vote for Innovation, who is the second best terran after Maru. Why would you pick Fantasy? He's so bad, he will lose like every game. Gosh.


I find Fantasy a really entertaining player also, actually. And he's had some interesting wins in GSL. And he has old-school fans like me who followed him in BW and SC2 both and want to see what he can pull off.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Bombit
Profile Joined February 2016
Belarus20 Posts
August 03 2019 13:42 GMT
#72
Without INnoVation this tournament looks pretty sad.
Community has betrayed Inno.
IDK why FanTaSy deserved the seed in this tournament more than INno, his group in the Code S was really weak.
FanTaSy has never reached the half of the Inno's glory. Even in the WCS standings Inno has more pts.
Shame on you guys...
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 03 2019 13:51 GMT
#73
On August 03 2019 12:44 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 07:48 Boggyb wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:43 Conut wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:33 texture13 wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:21 Penev wrote:
On August 03 2019 07:08 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 03 2019 06:40 Penev wrote:
Please if there's going to be a next time just invite the highest ranking players of both regions and have the highest of one region play the lowest of the other etc. and go from there. ...


So... exactly like Blizzcon?

Well it wouldn't be exactly the same because Blizzcon has groups but sure, why not?


I do not think it should be exactly like Blizzcon, but I think purely a popularity contest is stupid.
What I think would be nice is either some sort of weighted average (of fan vote, player vote, and something like aligulac score) or a qualifier for GSL vs. the World.
For player vote, let's put some restriction on this. Players must have qualified for GSL Code S or top 32 of a WCS event. If a qualifier, just have the players, who qualified for the voting, play against each other.


I actually like a popularity tourney just for fun thing, I don't like when random people who dont even watch the game vote for a player they dont even know, but oh well it's still pretty lit even with Elazer getting in

Elazer's voters know as little about SC2 as the people that voted in a tier 3 Zerg player the last two years: piss nothing.



Get out of here lmao, scarrlett is always a threat in every tourney and has been pretty solid minus maybe the last 4-6months, Elazers voters doesnt even know who he is lmao, dont even try and compare the fanbase of each voters.

What a joke of a comment lol

How many top 4s has Scarlett made circuit wide WCS events? Threat. LOL
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 03 2019 14:35 GMT
#74
TY vs Serral is wild

But they 100% should have made it KR vs World in every Ro16 match. More fair and more exciting.\

Not looking forward to Special getting run over by Reynor
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-03 16:14:05
August 03 2019 14:55 GMT
#75
People saying INno deserved to get in over Fantasy because he's higher in ranking but still voted him in last year when he did worse than TY and Gumi in every tournament.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25156 Posts
August 03 2019 15:14 GMT
#76
On August 03 2019 23:55 Fango wrote:
People saying INno deserved to get in over Fantasy because he's higher in ranking than but still voted him in last year when he did worse than TY and Gumi in every tournament.

True, Inno is a legendary player and I like him a lot, he hasn’t had a great couple of years though.

Inno like Scarlett in the world team has been in there over players who have performed better in the past.

Hopefully a better system is drawn up in future. I think a combination of WCS seeds for yearly consistency, a qualifier for players who are in a good run of form, and have a fan favourite vote for a few spots would strike a decent balance.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
August 03 2019 20:57 GMT
#77
With Innovation, Cure & Gumiho not going to the tournament (despite fantasy going) & non-korean Terrans not being as good as the other non-koreans.
As well as Maru drawing stats & TY drawing Serral there is a chance Terrans don't go far in GSL vs the world at all.
I just hope there isn't a patch or a bunch of complaining because of it. The game is very well balanced right now (between 49-51% all matchups) which is as good as we really get and I think that deserves more appreciation considering the game is so complex.

It would be funny if Elazer beat Dark.
I wonder if Time can replicate his vs Serral in assembly skills vs (seemingly slumping) soO.
Maru vs Stats is hype. Wonder if Maru has something planned for Stats blink robo opener.
Neeb vs Showtime, I don't want the community to use the result of this exclusively to name best foreign Protoss.
I wonder if TY will try to beat lategame Serral again after how HSC brood/infestor game went.
Im looking forward to Trap showing what he can do in PvT vs HeroMarine who doesn't seem to understand the matchup.
Reynor seems to be weak lategame vs T but is better than special in general.
Im looking forward to see what Fantasy brings out in TvP and looking forward to seeing Classic in this tournament in general, I think its his last before military service and he looked like a top 3 player in the world earlier this year, some of his recent results were a bit concerning though.

Looks like every round will have good matchups.

I agree with poopis predictions from page 1. With classic and dark favoured to get to the semis too.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1683 Posts
August 04 2019 01:19 GMT
#78
Horrible fucking bracket lol
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
August 04 2019 01:19 GMT
#79
On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.


ROFL. Even you can't be serious here
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
August 04 2019 01:30 GMT
#80
Aside from Dark Elazer, Trap Heromarine and Classic Fantasy (these will be a comical landslide), the matches look quite interesting.
It's a bit annoying that we have a match like Maru vs Stats who both are contenders to win the whole thing but well, what can we do. Viewership will be better with more foreigners advancing I suppose...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 02:32 GMT
#81
On August 04 2019 10:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.


ROFL. Even you can't be serious here


Oh, I am. Elazer couldn't have hoped for a better korean opponent(except for soO in his seemingly slumping state, and Fantasy); Elazer has a pretty even record against korean Zerg and a not that terrible head to head against Dark, eliminating him from BlizzCon in 2017 and losing 1-2 at WESG earlier this year. I expect Dark to advance but we should have a series, not a stomp.
leadershippulse
Profile Joined August 2019
1 Post
August 04 2019 06:45 GMT
#82
--- Nuked ---
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
August 04 2019 11:00 GMT
#83
Awesome line-up.
Looking forward to this tournament!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-04 13:01:08
August 04 2019 12:16 GMT
#84
On August 04 2019 11:32 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 10:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.


ROFL. Even you can't be serious here


Oh, I am. Elazer couldn't have hoped for a better korean opponent(except for soO in his seemingly slumping state, and Fantasy); Elazer has a pretty even record against korean Zerg and a not that terrible head to head against Dark, eliminating him from BlizzCon in 2017 and losing 1-2 at WESG earlier this year. I expect Dark to advance but we should have a series, not a stomp.

I agree with you. Even tho Dark is no soO (who lost to Namshar pretty badly lately), ZvZ is the only matchup where the European (top) Zergs seem to be ahead of Korean Zergs, so I think the match should be pretty even. If Elazer wins that would make my day considering how many people think it's going to be a stomp. Elazer obviously is the underdog, Dark has home advantage and seemingly is in top shape.

edit: changed the wrong player
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
August 04 2019 12:16 GMT
#85
We all should have voted for Solar.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
August 04 2019 12:34 GMT
#86
On August 04 2019 21:16 General_Winter wrote:
We all should have voted for Solar.


We didn't know any better. Back when we voted, well, those were simpler times.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 12:41 GMT
#87
On August 04 2019 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 11:32 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 10:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.


ROFL. Even you can't be serious here


Oh, I am. Elazer couldn't have hoped for a better korean opponent(except for soO in his seemingly slumping state, and Fantasy); Elazer has a pretty even record against korean Zerg and a not that terrible head to head against Dark, eliminating him from BlizzCon in 2017 and losing 1-2 at WESG earlier this year. I expect Dark to advance but we should have a series, not a stomp.

I agree with you. Even tho Dark is no soO (who lost to Zanster pretty badly lately), ZvZ is the only matchup where the European (top) Zergs seem to be ahead of Korean Zergs, so I think the match should be pretty even. If Elazer wins that would make my day considering how many people think it's going to be a stomp. Elazer obviously is the underdog, Dark has home advantage and seemingly is in top shape.


It was Namshar beating soO, but apart from that, I agree with everything you wrote. My dream scenario is the one in which Elazer, TIME and Serral all advance!
Reptile_ro
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania26 Posts
August 04 2019 12:49 GMT
#88
Predictions:
(Z)Dark 3-0 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 1-3 (T)TIME

(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-2 (P)ShoWTimE

(Z)Serral 3-1 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE

(T)SpeCial 2-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-0 (T)FanTaSy
Live long and prosper!
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 04 2019 13:14 GMT
#89
On August 04 2019 21:16 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2019 11:32 Xain0n wrote:
On August 04 2019 10:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett.


ROFL. Even you can't be serious here


Oh, I am. Elazer couldn't have hoped for a better korean opponent(except for soO in his seemingly slumping state, and Fantasy); Elazer has a pretty even record against korean Zerg and a not that terrible head to head against Dark, eliminating him from BlizzCon in 2017 and losing 1-2 at WESG earlier this year. I expect Dark to advance but we should have a series, not a stomp.

I agree with you. Even tho Dark is no soO (who lost to Namshar pretty badly lately), ZvZ is the only matchup where the European (top) Zergs seem to be ahead of Korean Zergs, so I think the match should be pretty even. If Elazer wins that would make my day considering how many people think it's going to be a stomp. Elazer obviously is the underdog, Dark has home advantage and seemingly is in top shape.

edit: changed the wrong player


Elazer's own ZvZ hasn't been too hot though, he's had some pretty surprising losses recently so I don't have a whole lot of faith. Once upon a time Elazer was a beast at ZvZ and the koreans were pretty bad at ZvZ, nowadays I feel like the level of Korean ZvZ is a bit higher, and Elazer isn't as good at the matchup as he used to be. Obviously, he has a chance, and maybe a higher chance than people would think.

From memory, the last time they played was 2-1 to Dark at WESG? Those were some weird games.

Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 04 2019 14:16 GMT
#90
I love Maru but he may get dumped by stats
maru lover forever
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 04 2019 14:26 GMT
#91
On August 04 2019 23:16 Incognoto wrote:
I love Maru but he may get dumped by stats

Anything is possible because we have no idea what Maru's form is, but let's not act like Stats has been killing it in PvT. No offense to HeRoMaRinE, but the PvT of any Korean Terran who drops a map to him is immediately suspect.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 04 2019 15:31 GMT
#92
Poor fantasy. Wins an incredibly close vote only to get matched up with classic in the 1st round.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 04 2019 19:12 GMT
#93
On August 05 2019 00:31 royalroadweed wrote:
Poor fantasy. Wins an incredibly close vote only to get matched up with classic in the 1st round.

AT least he can end with dignity. Losing to Classic is fine, he could have ended with a foreigner and get kicked out of the tournament by a foreigner.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 04 2019 19:20 GMT
#94
On August 04 2019 21:16 General_Winter wrote:
We all should have voted for Solar.


We should and many of us did.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
August 04 2019 19:32 GMT
#95
Sick groups, absolute bloodbath.
**@ YT: SC2POVs at https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2POVsTV | https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/SC2POVs @**
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
August 04 2019 19:32 GMT
#96
Even tho zvz is not Dark's greatest matchup cant see Elazer advancing. Dark is just too good atm.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 04 2019 20:41 GMT
#97
My predictions will come true:

(Z)Elazer 3-2 (Z)Dark (Catching heat for this one lmao. Definitely me least serious prediction)
(Z)soO 3-2 (T)TIME (Lets see if TIME is for real)
(T)Maru 3-2 (P)Stats (What the actual fuck, why is this Ro16)
(P)ShoWTimE 3-2 (P)Neeb (Too bad PvP is Neeb's worst matchup)
(Z)Serral 3-2 (T)TY (Another wtf moment)
(P)Trap 3-0 (T)HeRoMaRinE (Trap gonna stomp)
(Z)Reynor 3-1 (T)SpeCial (I want Special to win so this was hard for me lol)
(P)Classic 3-0 (T)FanTaSy (Wya Inno)

Can we have them redo it for all matchups to be KR vs World
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 04 2019 20:45 GMT
#98
On August 05 2019 04:12 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 00:31 royalroadweed wrote:
Poor fantasy. Wins an incredibly close vote only to get matched up with classic in the 1st round.

AT least he can end with dignity. Losing to Classic is fine, he could have ended with a foreigner and get kicked out of the tournament by a foreigner.


Why is Fantasy retiring?
Also, this is not KeSpa era Brood War, this disrespect towards foreigner is insulting and unjustified; no TossGirl would cry after losing to IdrA...
_aLx
Profile Joined June 2019
Austria1 Post
August 04 2019 20:49 GMT
#99
RIP my boy HeRoMaRinE hope he takes at least 1-2 games of trap.

I'm excited for Soo vs TIME, TIME showed real good TvZ against Serral at Assembly so i think he has a good shot at winning the series.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 04 2019 21:20 GMT
#100
I love how there is constant StarCraft atm. No long breaks at all
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
parrotpitaya
Profile Joined January 2019
Germany37 Posts
August 04 2019 21:41 GMT
#101
TIME is a very unstable player so I doubt whether he can keep his high level at Assembly. Also Soo knows him better than Serral does.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 00:23:29
August 05 2019 00:22 GMT
#102
My predictions:

(Z)Elazer 1-3 (Z)Dark (Dark in good form)
(Z)soO 2-3 (T)TIME (Time took a bunch of maps off serral)
(T)Maru 3-2 (P)Stats (Stats is amazing and in great form. But Terran isn't zerg. You can't just overpower T by having better micro. And more, you can't overpower Maru by having better micro.)
(P)ShoWTimE 2-3 (P)Neeb (I flipped a coin)
(Z)Serral 3-2 (T)TY (Lot of good matches early. But betting against serral rarely pays off)
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE (HeRoMaRinE get a luck scout find on proxy building one game)
(Z)Reynor 2-3 (T)SpeCial (Reynor is strong but no one in EU plays T like Special)
(P)Classic 2-3 (T)FanTaSy (Fantasy is going to get back to top form any day now. Any day now)

No guarantees or warrantees on any of the above.
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 02:44:56
August 05 2019 02:44 GMT
#103
Dark > Elazer
TIME > soO
Stats > Maru
Neeb > ShoWTimE
Serral > TY
Trap > HeRoMaRiNe
Reynor > SpeCiaL
Classic > Fantasy

Dark > TIME
Stats > Neeb
Serral > Trap
Classic > Reynor

Stats > Dark
Serral > Classic

Serral > Stats

As it was foretold.

(Prophecies are nonrefundable)
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
punnyjunior
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 05 2019 09:51 GMT
#104
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 09:59:10
August 05 2019 09:58 GMT
#105
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15929 Posts
August 05 2019 10:02 GMT
#106
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
August 05 2019 10:07 GMT
#107
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 05 2019 10:17 GMT
#108
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all

I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
August 05 2019 11:50 GMT
#109
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 05:30:17
August 05 2019 12:00 GMT
#110
(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (T)Time
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (Z)soO
(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-2 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 1-3 (P)Classic

(Z)soO 1-3 (P)Stats
(T)TY 2-3 (P)Classic

(P)Stats 4-2 (P)Classic

As a Neeb fan I really hope that he can do well...... but Stats might be too much for him (even though he lost to Showtime last week)
Faker is the GOAT!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 05 2019 12:04 GMT
#111
On August 05 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it

Zerg - Zerg?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-05 12:17:31
August 05 2019 12:16 GMT
#112
On August 05 2019 21:04 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it

Zerg - Zerg?


Ahhhh

But he said best Zerg in the world, not best in the world in general ^^'

He said, Serral, Dark and then himself. Now he has to prove it in GSL by kicking out Rogue and Maru or Stats
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 05 2019 12:18 GMT
#113
On August 05 2019 21:16 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 21:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it

Zerg - Zerg?


Ahhhh

But he said best Zerg in the world, not best in the world in general ^^'

He said, Serral, Dark and then himself. Now he has to prove it in GSL by kicking out Rogue and Maru or Stats


Didn't Stats say Serral was the best?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
August 05 2019 12:20 GMT
#114
On August 05 2019 21:18 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 21:16 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 21:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it

Zerg - Zerg?


Ahhhh

But he said best Zerg in the world, not best in the world in general ^^'

He said, Serral, Dark and then himself. Now he has to prove it in GSL by kicking out Rogue and Maru or Stats


Didn't Stats say Serral was the best?


Dunno. Didn't see every interview. Maybe he wanted the "underdog card" for himself
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
August 05 2019 12:24 GMT
#115
On August 05 2019 21:20 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 21:18 Xain0n wrote:
On August 05 2019 21:16 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 21:04 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 20:50 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:17 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:07 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 19:02 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:58 Harris1st wrote:
On August 05 2019 18:51 punnyjunior wrote:
dam

how many loses Serral needs to get until people stop overhype him lmao


Pretty difficult to overhype "the best zerg in the world" . Solar's words

Pretty easy to overhype "a Zerg who's worse than Rogue". Maru's words


No teammate bias at all

No race bias at all



I don't get it

Zerg - Zerg?


Ahhhh

But he said best Zerg in the world, not best in the world in general ^^'

He said, Serral, Dark and then himself. Now he has to prove it in GSL by kicking out Rogue and Maru or Stats


Didn't Stats say Serral was the best?


Dunno. Didn't see every interview. Maybe he wanted the "underdog card" for himself


He said it after having won, if I remember correctly. I'm not totally sure, to be honest.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
August 05 2019 16:17 GMT
#116
Yeah. I think after Stats beat Serral they asked him how he was feeling vs solar in finals and he said words to the effect of, “I just beat the best Zerg in the world, I’m not worried about Solar” but I think his exact wording was a little nicer than that.
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
August 05 2019 16:33 GMT
#117
On August 05 2019 21:00 AzAlexZ wrote:
(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (P)Time
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (Z)soO
(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-2 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 1-3 (P)Classic

(Z)soO 1-3 (P)Stats
(T)TY 2-3 (P)Classic

(P)Stats 4-2 (P)Classic

As a Neeb fan I really hope that he can do well...... but Stats might be too much for him (even though he lost to Showtime last week)


I'll take these predictions.
abbykayli
Profile Joined August 2019
1 Post
August 05 2019 20:42 GMT
#118
Hei all,
My husband and I are going to be in Seoul from the 15th-17th this month for our Honeymoon. I would like to bring him to see this, probably the night of the 15th. Does anyone know where I can get the location and time info of this event?

Please and thank you!
CreightonOlsen
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
United States366 Posts
August 06 2019 01:34 GMT
#119
On August 06 2019 05:42 abbykayli wrote:
Hei all,
My husband and I are going to be in Seoul from the 15th-17th this month for our Honeymoon. I would like to bring him to see this, probably the night of the 15th. Does anyone know where I can get the location and time info of this event?

Please and thank you!


Abby - it will be held at the GSL studios in Gangnam at 1500 KST. Check out the post linked below for more info. Let me know if you have any questions - I'll be there every day and can help you if you get lost or need more help!

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/545338-attending-the-gsl-the-ultimate-guide
https://www.twitch.tv/CreightonOlsen
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
August 06 2019 02:10 GMT
#120
Special vs Reynor, Maru vs Stats in ro16? seriously?
Trans Rights
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 06 2019 03:22 GMT
#121
On August 06 2019 10:34 CreightonOlsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2019 05:42 abbykayli wrote:
Hei all,
My husband and I are going to be in Seoul from the 15th-17th this month for our Honeymoon. I would like to bring him to see this, probably the night of the 15th. Does anyone know where I can get the location and time info of this event?

Please and thank you!


Abby - it will be held at the GSL studios in Gangnam at 1500 KST. Check out the post linked below for more info. Let me know if you have any questions - I'll be there every day and can help you if you get lost or need more help!

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/545338-attending-the-gsl-the-ultimate-guide

Dude.... fuck yeah. What a cool community we have.

Cheers.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6920 Posts
August 06 2019 13:49 GMT
#122
On August 06 2019 05:42 abbykayli wrote:
Hei all,
My husband and I are going to be in Seoul from the 15th-17th this month for our Honeymoon. I would like to bring him to see this, probably the night of the 15th. Does anyone know where I can get the location and time info of this event?

Please and thank you!


That's so cool!

I wanted to go but my gf got the better of me :/
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
18195
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 13 2019 05:43 GMT
#123
I think Fantasy is very strong now, because he is practicing very hard, his score with the Classic will be 3-2 or 2-3.
18195
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 13 2019 05:46 GMT
#124
On August 05 2019 21:00 AzAlexZ wrote:
(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (P)Time
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (Z)soO
(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-2 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 1-3 (P)Classic

(Z)soO 1-3 (P)Stats
(T)TY 2-3 (P)Classic

(P)Stats 4-2 (P)Classic

As a Neeb fan I really hope that he can do well...... but Stats might be too much for him (even though he lost to Showtime last week)

It's a good prediction, but I don't think TY will lose to Classic, because it was TY4-Classic2 the day before yesterday.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 13 2019 07:46 GMT
#125
On August 13 2019 14:46 18195 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2019 21:00 AzAlexZ wrote:
(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (P)Time
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (Z)soO
(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-2 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 1-3 (P)Classic

(Z)soO 1-3 (P)Stats
(T)TY 2-3 (P)Classic

(P)Stats 4-2 (P)Classic

As a Neeb fan I really hope that he can do well...... but Stats might be too much for him (even though he lost to Showtime last week)

It's a good prediction, but I don't think TY will lose to Classic, because it was TY4-Classic2 the day before yesterday.

maybe Classic was hiding builds from Fantasy?
But you might be right
Faker is the GOAT!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
August 13 2019 08:23 GMT
#126
On August 13 2019 16:46 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2019 14:46 18195 wrote:
On August 05 2019 21:00 AzAlexZ wrote:
(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 3-2 (P)Time
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-1 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-1 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (Z)soO
(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-2 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 1-3 (P)Classic

(Z)soO 1-3 (P)Stats
(T)TY 2-3 (P)Classic

(P)Stats 4-2 (P)Classic

As a Neeb fan I really hope that he can do well...... but Stats might be too much for him (even though he lost to Showtime last week)

It's a good prediction, but I don't think TY will lose to Classic, because it was TY4-Classic2 the day before yesterday.

maybe Classic was hiding builds from Fantasy?
But you might be right

I feel like if anything Classic's main focus should be reacting to Fantasy's builds properly, not bamboozling him with his own. Fantasy has a lot of builds and many of them are a bit unusual.
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