EPTSerral wins HomeStory Cup 19 - Page 5
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RandomAccount#399514
Spain53 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7194 Posts
On July 02 2019 03:39 EESCLuna wrote: Whatever all people think, all that whine from T and Z players against protoss since 2010 made the game worse. Now with legacy release Protoss got a massive nerf. That´s 4 years of absolute underperforming, making things like a retired prime player like Byun can win a Blizzcon, or serral, a Myi player who never won nothing on his entire life now is world champion. Looking 4 years ago no protosses would have bought this expansion. It is(was) simply a waste of time and money. Get a job | ||
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Slydie
2006 Posts
There should really be many more foreigners who can expect to win vs anyone at this point. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
On July 02 2019 03:39 EESCLuna wrote: Whatever all people think, all that whine from T and Z players against protoss since 2010 made the game worse. Now with legacy release Protoss got a massive nerf. That´s 4 years of absolute underperforming, making things like a retired prime player like Byun can win a Blizzcon, or serral, a Myi player who never won nothing on his entire life now is world champion. Looking 4 years ago no protosses would have bought this expansion. It is(was) simply a waste of time and money. Yes! make a completely unrelated thread somehow about Protoss victimizing! | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On July 02 2019 03:52 Charoisaur wrote: Yes! make a completely unrelated thread somehow about Protoss victimizing! Hopefully Serral take the note and offrace with Protoss in StarCraft2.fi 9V cup just to show how it goes and make some people happy. Last year it was Terran, and there are not much challenge if he plays Zerg. Then generally, I don't think Serral would be that far from being somewhat competitive regardless of the race at least in minor/European tournaments, if there would exist any incentives to do so. Serral being so good as Zerg shouldn't ever be used as an argument of imba for Protoss. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On July 02 2019 04:05 UnLarva wrote: Hopefully Serral take the note and offrace with Protoss in StarCraft2.fi 9V cup just to show how it goes and make some people happy. Last year it was Terran, and there are not much challenge if he plays Zerg. Then generally, I don't think Serral would be that far from being somewhat competitive regardless of the race at least in minor/European tournaments, if there would exist any incentives to do so. Serral being so good as Zerg shouldn't ever be used as an argument of imba for Protoss. Do you think serral would have had the same success if he played protoss? I don't. Protoss win the fewest premier tournaments in LOTV. Protoss rarely win those lucrative weekenders Look at the only Protoss player who is near the level of earnings as Maru, innovation, ty, dark, serral, soo, rogue (aka above half a mil) It's sOs, whose peak was during HOTS when Protoss was not a weak race. I honestly don't think serral will be as dominant at blizzcon as he was last year though. Zerg creep got nerfed. That is a huge hit to macro Zerg like serral and rogue. Stats just destroyed serral ,and TY, the weakest horseman, took him to the brink. Innovation has his number this year too. Serral also lost to soo reynor and neeb before and said that he thinks neeb is the favorite against him in a bo7 | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On July 02 2019 04:28 BerserkSword wrote: Do you think serral would have had the same success if he played protoss? I don't. Protoss win the fewest premier tournaments in LOTV. Protoss rarely win those lucrative weekenders Look at the only Protoss player who is near the level of earnings as Maru, innovation, ty, dark, serral, soo, rogue (aka above half a mil) It's sOs, whose peak was during HOTS when Protoss was not a weak race. I honestly don't think serral will be as dominant at blizzcon as he was last year though. Zerg creep got nerfed. That is a huge hit to macro Zerg like serral and rogue. Stats just destroyed serral ,and TY, the weakest horseman, took him to the brink. Innovation has his number this year too. Serral also lost to soo reynor and neeb before and said that he thinks neeb is the favorite against him in a bo7 No. I don't think that and didn't claim it either. However, if there would be some reason for Serral to start training systematically and play hard with either Protoss or Terran, I think he could become truly competitive with these races too. His basic technical level, knowledge and insight to the game is that high level that I take it entirely plausible he would do rather well (again: with adequate training and adaptation to a race) with Protoss and Terran too. "Know your enemies" certainly applies to Serral in the context of SC2. But winning Blizzcon with Protoss, Nooooo! | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On July 02 2019 04:39 UnLarva wrote: No. I don't think that and didn't claim it either. However, if there would be some reason for Serral to start training systematically and play hard with either Protoss or Terran, I think he could become truly competitive with these races too. His basic technical level, knowledge and insight to the game is that high level that I take it entirely plausible he would do rather well (again: with adequate training and adaptation to a race) with Protoss and Terran too. "Know your enemies" certainly applies to Serral in the context of SC2. But winning Blizzcon with Protoss, Nooooo! I mean if serral mailed Protoss do you think he'd be as successful Any of the top pros can be competitive with other races if they practice enough lol | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On July 02 2019 05:10 BerserkSword wrote: I mean if serral mailed Protoss do you think he'd be as successful Any of the top pros can be competitive with other races if they practice enough lol A level of dominance he has demonstrated over 18 months while playing Protoss? No I don't think that. However, if he would've played last 18 months with Protoss, that wouldn't be considered off-race for him anymore. What we are exactly arguing here? Best players tend to be best in training too, and if being god-tier with one race, makes at minimum very good with other races too by default. Training and competitive practice in that game required ofc for everyone to become good in any Esports. Funny thing, when people talk about top players, Koreans particularly, they list usually a player's wins. When same people talk about Serral they list his losses (apparently easier to do than list his wins). That good he is. | ||
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Aceii
Germany83 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/dLRcqrO.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/7CP0odU.png) Note: Data from HSC IX to XVIII are from www.fuzic.nl. Unfortunately it seems that fuzic did not record this HSC correctly. Therefore I had to use the data for the HSC XIX from sullygnome.com. I had to collect the data from each individual channel for the HSC XIX. I hope I didn't make a mistake... | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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HolydaKing
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On July 02 2019 04:28 BerserkSword wrote: Do you think serral would have had the same success if he played protoss? I don't. Protoss win the fewest premier tournaments in LOTV. Protoss rarely win those lucrative weekenders Look at the only Protoss player who is near the level of earnings as Maru, innovation, ty, dark, serral, soo, rogue (aka above half a mil) It's sOs, whose peak was during HOTS when Protoss was not a weak race. I honestly don't think serral will be as dominant at blizzcon as he was last year though. Zerg creep got nerfed. That is a huge hit to macro Zerg like serral and rogue. Stats just destroyed serral ,and TY, the weakest horseman, took him to the brink. Innovation has his number this year too. Serral also lost to soo reynor and neeb before and said that he thinks neeb is the favorite against him in a bo7 Earning is a shitty way to rank success in SC2, Zest got 65K for his IEM katowice, sOs 100k while soO and Rogue got 150k for there's, a GSL can be worth 25K or 70K depending on the time, a KC/ST 10K or 20K ect... plus Inno-TY-Maru-Dark all got stupidly big paycheck from WESG. Also Stats and MC have earn more than half a million, so there's at least 3 of them. | ||
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Need
566 Posts
On July 02 2019 05:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Bit unfortunate if those numbers are accurate, but like you said fuzic was having issues since the stream went down a few times and probably really hurts the final numbers. Hopefully 20 is more like 18 How is it unfortunate? It looks like it was the most popular Summer HSC since 2014 | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 02 2019 05:56 Need wrote: How is it unfortunate? It looks like it was the most popular Summer HSC since 2014 that is true, i wasn't looking at the months of the events. wonder why the summer ones aren't as popular. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
Congratulations to Serral. In my personal top 5 ranking, which is not based not so much on achievements as individual games analysis, Serral is #1, and the rest are all Korean. That speaks to the immense gap I believe to be between Serral and the rest of the foreigners. Someone differentiated Serral from the others as Rank S vs Rank A+, but to me if people like Neeb, Special and Reynor are A+, then Serral is more like SS. Serral is the product of extreme mechanical mastery + strategic genius. His brother (protosser) is a mathematician, so I suspect Serral has a similar IQ required of mathematicians. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
On July 02 2019 06:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: that is true, i wasn't looking at the months of the events. wonder why the summer ones aren't as popular. I guess because some people don't want to sit at home watching streams during summer (not that there's something wrong with that) | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On July 02 2019 07:10 Charoisaur wrote: I guess because some people don't want to sit at home watching streams during summer (not that there's something wrong with that) What losers, doing things with people and shit when they could be watching Starcraft. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
On July 02 2019 07:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What losers, doing things with people and shit when they could be watching Starcraft. agreed 1000% this sunday was asl with flash, wgl with happy and hsc with the whole cast and crew. i could get used to this. | ||
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meorcmespam
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