EPTSerral wins HomeStory Cup 19 - Page 4
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Noa Greenini
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:09 Shuffleblade wrote: As much as I loved Serrals play here and I'm very impressed by his play this doesn't make him the best in the world. Never ever has anyone claimed a player was the greatest because of a HSC win, its just too small. The only top players he defeated were soO (got BO8 last season GSL, not even in the last powerrank and not even close to top 4) and TY twice (whom got knocked out in the RO32 in the last GSL season by sOs and Ragnarok and isn't even placed in the powerrank either, also far from top4) So Serral defeated two good koreans (and lots of foreigners) whom aren't even top 10 players and therefore he is obviously world champion? lol I don't want to belittle Serrals accomplishment because his result and gameplay is awesome but this result says nothing about best in the world. He lost to Stats and haven't played Classic, Maru, Innovation, Trap or Dark. Shuffle, people have different metrics for judging who they think is the best in the world. There is should be no imperative for you to argue with an open opinon :-) A simple: I disagree will suffice in closing the conversation, or rather not comment on it. And if you want a true conversation you need to first state what your qualifications for "the best" are. Now if they are like mine: fluid and volatile, you won't be able to say X player is the best. Thus it may annoy you when people show their undying love for someone - but you need to let that annoyance go. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:15 Noa Greenini wrote: Shuffle, people have different metrics for judging who they think is the best in the world. There is should be no imperative for you to argue with an open opinon :-) A simple: I disagree will suffice in closing the conversation, or rather not comment on it. And if you want a true conversation you need to first state what your qualifications for "the best" are. Now if they are like mine: fluid and volatile, you won't be able to say X player is the best. Thus it may annoy you when people show their undying love for someone - but you need to let that annoyance go. Don't be so petty, you make it sound like someone said: "I love Serral, I think he is the best ever" and I went on to rage on him how he is wrong.... That is not what happened, he posted: On July 01 2019 21:09 hiroshOne wrote: Well at least until next Blizzcon, Serral IS the best sc2 player on the world. That's what this title means. There shouldn't be argue about that. So he himself is stating his opinion as a fact and even challenges for a discussion by staying that no one should be able to have a different opinion than him. I didn't argue with an open opinion, I argued with a written statement that was constructed as a fact. If he would have said he himself personally is of an opinion _I wouldn't have replied. Or maybe I would have, because you know this a forum and if someone posts their opinion that should indicate they want to discuss, right? If you want to write your opinion or feelings down but dont want anyone to answer you my advice is to either write it on an actual physical paper and then discard it or write it in a word document on your computer and keep it there. | ||
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raff100
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:31 raff100 wrote: New year, same beast. I know it's very unlikely, but winning Blizzcon again would be fantastic I don't know if it's that unlikely. He looks like he has the best versus Zerg in the world, which already puts him favored vs Dark, and then it just matter of a tiny bit of bracket luck and 1 good match vs Classic/Stats/Maru/Trap. He's one of the Blizzcon favorites in my eyes, at least if he keeps playing like he did at HSC. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:31 raff100 wrote: New year, same beast. I know it's very unlikely, but winning Blizzcon again would be fantastic Honestly, I don't think it's that unlikely. He's the heavy favourite to win it by a pretty big margin given who's likely to qualify. Assuming he peaks in form like he did last year, I don't see him losing a ZvZ to Dark or soO. For ZvP Stats certainly has the skill to beat him but has been inconsistant this year. Neeb could as well but I don't see him getting deep enough to show it (like almost every event they both play in). Classic probably won't be able to attend. Trap and Dear have a shot but I wouldn't bet on them in a big series. And the only korean terran that's gonna qualify is Maru and he never shows his best form outside of korea anyway. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:43 Fango wrote: Honestly, I don't think it's that unlikely. He's the heavy favourite to win it by a pretty big margin given who's likely to qualify. Assuming he peaks in form like he did last year, I don't see him losing a ZvZ to Dark or soO. For ZvP Stats certainly has the skill to beat him but has been inconsistant this year. Neeb could as well but I don't see him getting deep enough to show it (like almost every event they both play in). Classic probably won't be able to attend. Trap and Dear have a shot but I wouldn't bet on them in a big series. And the only korean terran that's gonna qualify is Maru and he never shows his best form outside of korea anyway. In ZvZ, foreigners(especially Reynor if he specifically prepares instead of believing he can play standard and win) are as menacing as koreans to Serral but apparently he is once more in complete control of the matchup. ZvP is where Serral is struggling(ironic, considering it was the matchup that carried him the most last year) and there will be many korean Protoss, as well as Neeb, at Anaheim. ZvT seems decently comfortable for Serral; Maru outside of Korea is a big question mark and Inno should have to reach very good results to qualify for BlizzCon. However, before BlizzCon there will be one balance patch that could change how the matchups are played but I don't see Serral not being among the favourites for the title. Also, believing Classic won't be able to attend and that Maru will be the only Terran to get to BlizzCon is kind of contradictory, Gumiho is already placed well enough and could easily qualify by slightly outperforming Dear. One season of Code S and one Super Tournament are more than enough for turning the table(Trap and Classic, if they let him go, should be safe already tho), it's all a little too premature. | ||
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BjoernK
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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Elentos
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
I was surprised by how good TY and Zest looked, they really showed some great games. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 01 2019 23:52 Musicus wrote: Congrats Serral, business as usual I guess. Can't wait for asus rog and gsl vs the world. I was surprised by how good TY and Zest looked, they really showed some great games. Zest was the most entertaining player this HSC in his games IMO. But he also really stepped it up from group stage to bracket stage. A ton. Never expected him to make it to 3rd after his group stage performance. I'd like them to slightly rework the schedule or have more flexibility though. Like, TY played a close BO5 against Zest. Then has to wait an hour to start the finals. Serral had like 4 hours to spend between winners final and grand final. The grand finals started over 10 hours after the first series of the day. In due part because of internet troubles that persisted throughout the weekend. Do we really expect players to still fire on all cylinders in the finals at that point? | ||
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
On July 01 2019 19:38 tilhorizon wrote: this is so wrong talk to the pros check check the results and u get other picture typical usa view putting reynor and scarlet to high also heromarine is nr 1 eu terran since ages uthermal getting crushed by heromarine and lambo on a regular bases tier 1 serral tier 2 neeb showtime heromarine elazer lambo reynor special tier 3 uthermal harstem scarlett ,,,etc rest of na is a joke there are like at least 20 eu players before the next na player When is the last time showtime has put in a result to place him at tier 2? | ||
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The Taxman
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aringadingding
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sweffymo
United States62 Posts
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finalius
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And there's Aligulac, which is extremely predictive, based on actual statistics of hundreds of thousands of games, where people don't jump around in the rankings for winning or losing one game. TL Power Rank vs Aligulac is like religion vs science. Why ask the crystal ball when we have a method which is proven by statistics and experience to be correct? Right now, Serral is the best player in the world. He had a tiny "slump" earlier this year, during which Aligulac correctly placed him second behind Maru. Trap is #16 on Aligulac. This discrepancy shows quite nicely how TL power ranks are weighted. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On July 02 2019 01:55 finalius wrote: There's TL power ranks. An in-transparent method done by a (at least to me) unknown group of people that comes up some result, usually matching the last GSL results. Basically, it feels like results in GSL count 10 times as much as any other results for TL power ranks. That is only the regular GSL, GSL vs TW doesn't really count. Trap is #4 on TL powerranks? Really? All he has done is win some PvPs and one meaningful PvT against Inno. This and a lucky bracket got him to the GSL finals. Apparently, that's enough for TL to rank him high. And there's Aligulac, which is extremely predictive, based on actual statistics of hundreds of thousands of games, where people don't jump around in the rankings for winning or losing one game. TL Power Rank vs Aligulac is like religion vs science. Why ask the crystal ball when we have a method which is proven by statistics and experience to be correct? Right now, Serral is the best player in the world. He had a tiny "slump" earlier this year, during which Aligulac correctly placed him second behind Maru. Trap is #16 on Aligulac. This discrepancy shows quite nicely how TL power ranks are weighted. Agreed. I also think that Solar is better than Classic right now. It's science. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On July 02 2019 02:01 Charoisaur wrote: Agreed. I also think that Solar is better than Classic right now. It's science. And Neeb is better than Stats, obviously. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On July 01 2019 22:37 Ej_ wrote: I don't know if it's that unlikely. He looks like he has the best versus Zerg in the world, which already puts him favored vs Dark, and then it just matter of a tiny bit of bracket luck and 1 good match vs Classic/Stats/Maru/Trap. He's one of the Blizzcon favorites in my eyes, at least if he keeps playing like he did at HSC. Inno can get in form, Classic can get a permit, Stats won over him at HSC. Rogue can stop doing w/e he's doing and start some serious shit again. It's not unlikely and unless Blizzard does their stupid shit again it may be interesting. | ||
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