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On June 21 2019 21:17 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 20:42 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2019 19:43 stilt wrote:On June 21 2019 19:33 Need wrote:On June 21 2019 18:50 Psychonian wrote:On June 21 2019 18:02 Need wrote:
I wasn't sure Trap had it, but now that I know he's won Olimoleagues and KungFu Cops I'm sold. This read like low-quality fanfic You really can't write off the kinds of opponents you face in tournaments like Olimoleague. Those tournaments are seriously stacked with top tier Korean players, and winning 6 of them is absolutely not something to be looked over. >Prize pool: $250 I can only imagine the preparation and hard work that goes into those games, especially when you have premier tournaments coming up. Sure Trap has a slight chance to pull an upset, but the write-up in the OP is ridiculous I'd say the chances are about even actually, but still, I don't think Trap is underrated by the majority of the community, not in the same way as Classic was at least. . Slight chanche? Upset? Yes? Check the betting odds on any website. If he has even chances of winning, then congrats for being smarter than the entire betting market. Or if you prefer algorithms over markets, check Aligulac. Good for you that you believe in Trap, but being shocked someone claims it'd be an upset or he has a slight chance is just being disconnected from reality
I honestly think one would have to be maniac to give 3.75 odds on Trap beating Dark and I gladly took that bet
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hate it when TL curses someone who was already the underdog.
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On June 21 2019 21:17 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 20:42 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2019 19:43 stilt wrote:On June 21 2019 19:33 Need wrote:On June 21 2019 18:50 Psychonian wrote:On June 21 2019 18:02 Need wrote:
I wasn't sure Trap had it, but now that I know he's won Olimoleagues and KungFu Cops I'm sold. This read like low-quality fanfic You really can't write off the kinds of opponents you face in tournaments like Olimoleague. Those tournaments are seriously stacked with top tier Korean players, and winning 6 of them is absolutely not something to be looked over. >Prize pool: $250 I can only imagine the preparation and hard work that goes into those games, especially when you have premier tournaments coming up. Sure Trap has a slight chance to pull an upset, but the write-up in the OP is ridiculous I'd say the chances are about even actually, but still, I don't think Trap is underrated by the majority of the community, not in the same way as Classic was at least. . Slight chanche? Upset? Yes? Check the betting odds on any website. If he has even chances of winning, then congrats for being smarter than the entire betting market. Or if you prefer algorithms over markets, check Aligulac. Good for you that you believe in Trap, but being shocked someone claims it'd be an upset or he has a slight chance is just being disconnected from reality
You mean the same betting sites giving overwhelming odds against Trap in his match against Classic(that was actually more understandable; probably against Inno as well? At least Liquibet greatly favored him, I don't know what betting site did)? Such odds are simply unfair if you take into consideration Trap's results in 2019, there surely is a logic behind those but I guess it's tied to profit and not to accurate predictions.
Aligulac adjusts itself slowly and Dark is super consistent, it's not like Trap has overperformed Dark in 2019; again, I think Dark is indeed the favourite but not nearly as much as you guys think he is. What is making you perceive Dark has a crushing advantage? Trap's achievements throughout his career? His glaring weakness in PvP(which he recently overcame)? Surely not his results in 2019 or his head to head score against Dark.
Dark, has a kongesque 2-8 record in Premier finals(2-9 if we had Majors), even if Trap doesn't shine with his combined 0-8 in the two bo7 finals he played in his career.
I am not sure the match will turn out to be close, but I am positive it should be perceived as much closer than it is now for good reasons.
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Germany195 Posts
Dark wins this, no Kongs this year
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Underrated... I don't think so, but overshadowed by so many great protosses... how many finals Trap has in compare with Zest, Classic, MC, Stats, or even herO in the non-korean scene... Trap is just showing the first signs of consistency because by the end of 2018 he was Ro16 player.
I am not his fan but if he deserves it - he can enjoy further success by winning Code S - great for the guy.
But for now... soO broke the curse in Katowice. I hope Dark brakes his in Code S. HF GL
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lol i don't think sc2 fans understand the point of hype pieces. this community has a ridiculous and embarrassing obsession with only analyzing players by slavishly adding up championships and babbling about "consistency." there's literally nothing wrong with saying "hey, this B tier player is pretty solid and i think this could be his moment to shine and move up to A tier." it's clear a lot of you don't follow real sports. it's just narrative building. it's for fun. it's not an offense against the galaxybrain power rank in your head
this is what happens when the people who post about a game don't like the game and haven't liked it for years
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On June 22 2019 00:23 brickrd wrote:
lol i don't think sc2 fans understand the point of hype pieces. this community has a ridiculous and embarrassing obsession with only analyzing players by slavishly adding up championships and babbling about "consistency." there's literally nothing wrong with saying "hey, this B tier player is pretty solid and i think this could be his moment to shine and move up to A tier." it's clear a lot of you don't follow real sports. it's just narrative building. it's for fun. it's not an offense against the galaxybrain power rank in your head
this is what happens when the people who post about a game don't like the game and haven't liked it for years
I don't see how the first part of your argument has anything to do with the last line. Liking a game doesn't always have much to do with how much you enjoy "hype building" pieces. You can love a game like football to bits and still be unhappy with an article hyping ajax up excessively and predicting they will beat spurs. If you post your 'opinion', expect other people to chime in and opine accordingly.
This whole "ridiculous and embarrassing obsession with only analysing players by slavishly adding up championships and babbling about consistency" is seen in literally every fucking sport that exists. Don't try and make it sound like that isn't normal.
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Trap isn't Hurricane, and historically Dark hasn't been able to pull off his highest stakes best-ofs.
I don't see Dark's aggression paying off as well here, Trap 4-2 or 4-3 would be my guess.
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On June 21 2019 17:03 HolydaKing wrote:
Since I'm not a fan of either Dark or Trap, I'm rooting for the underdog which is Trap. However I'm expecting a 4-2 or 4-1 for Dark.
How can you not be a fan of Dark?
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On June 21 2019 19:33 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 18:50 Psychonian wrote:On June 21 2019 18:02 Need wrote:
I wasn't sure Trap had it, but now that I know he's won Olimoleagues and KungFu Cops I'm sold. This read like low-quality fanfic You really can't write off the kinds of opponents you face in tournaments like Olimoleague. Those tournaments are seriously stacked with top tier Korean players, and winning 6 of them is absolutely not something to be looked over. >Prize pool: $250 I can only imagine the preparation and hard work that goes into those games, especially when you have premier tournaments coming up. Sure Trap has a slight chance to pull an upset, but the write-up in the OP is ridiculous
My point of bringing up those victories is that the players he's been beating in practice and online are the top echelon of players. He's had the ability to beat these players for a long time now, but I keep reading comments where people say he should never be able to beat the likes of INno and Dark etc. when his match history obviously shows he can. He's also beaten these players in earlier rounds of GSL in the past or other offline tournaments, but of course I can only highlight so much in a preview article. I decided to focus on his inability to transfer online/practice form to stage form due to his limiting mental block, which is what the next part of the article focuses on.
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Don't underestimate anyone on Jinair.
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Rooting for Trap. This is it.
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Huh, still a fanboy.
Well hope Dark takes it.
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Regarding the title of the article, Trap indeed got our attention. I wanted Classic to take it, but not only that Trap won, rather how he won, does put him on the map.
But Dark has the greater story to tell: At dark times, when zerg is less represented than other races, there is still hope for the swarm.
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On June 21 2019 22:06 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 21:17 Need wrote:On June 21 2019 20:42 Xain0n wrote:On June 21 2019 19:43 stilt wrote:On June 21 2019 19:33 Need wrote:On June 21 2019 18:50 Psychonian wrote:On June 21 2019 18:02 Need wrote:
I wasn't sure Trap had it, but now that I know he's won Olimoleagues and KungFu Cops I'm sold. This read like low-quality fanfic You really can't write off the kinds of opponents you face in tournaments like Olimoleague. Those tournaments are seriously stacked with top tier Korean players, and winning 6 of them is absolutely not something to be looked over. >Prize pool: $250 I can only imagine the preparation and hard work that goes into those games, especially when you have premier tournaments coming up. Sure Trap has a slight chance to pull an upset, but the write-up in the OP is ridiculous I'd say the chances are about even actually, but still, I don't think Trap is underrated by the majority of the community, not in the same way as Classic was at least. . Slight chanche? Upset? Yes? Check the betting odds on any website. If he has even chances of winning, then congrats for being smarter than the entire betting market. Or if you prefer algorithms over markets, check Aligulac. Good for you that you believe in Trap, but being shocked someone claims it'd be an upset or he has a slight chance is just being disconnected from reality You mean the same betting sites giving overwhelming odds against Trap in his match against Classic(that was actually more understandable; probably against Inno as well? At least Liquibet greatly favored him, I don't know what betting site did)? Such odds are simply unfair if you take into consideration Trap's results in 2019, there surely is a logic behind those but I guess it's tied to profit and not to accurate predictions. Aligulac adjusts itself slowly and Dark is super consistent, it's not like Trap has overperformed Dark in 2019; again, I think Dark is indeed the favourite but not nearly as much as you guys think he is. What is making you perceive Dark has a crushing advantage? Trap's achievements throughout his career? His glaring weakness in PvP(which he recently overcame)? Surely not his results in 2019 or his head to head score against Dark. Dark, has a kongesque 2-8 record in Premier finals(2-9 if we had Majors), even if Trap doesn't shine with his combined 0-8 in the two bo7 finals he played in his career. I am not sure the match will turn out to be close, but I am positive it should be perceived as much closer than it is now for good reasons.
yeah it's not very hard to "outsmart the betting market." The odds it gave for Innovation and Classic against Trap are almost silly imo.
Edit: Also OP I think was going with his heart when coming up with the scoreline (which is still very possible). Dark is the favourite to win but only by a slight margin. There is the argument that Dark chokes a lot in finals but so does Trap.
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I actually voted for Trap vs. Innovation in Liquibets but this is likely as far as he goes. Dark has about an 80% win% according to my tool. Sorry, Trap. Better luck next time!
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gonna need to get up early, else i might miss the whole final
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I really hope that in this final we will not get standard korean PvZ. I don't want to see 2 base immortal timing vs ling flood in bo7. But unfortunaly it will be allin vs allin...
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Frankly, i have a meek hope this final will be decent at least mind games wise (expecting dense macro games from current state of PvZ seems naive), but the naive side of me hopes that they will at least give us the kind of macro game both are capable of playing.
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