Maru defeats Classic, wins 4th consecutive Code S - Page 3

On April 15 2019 15:30 insitelol wrote:

I'm pretty sure that "learning a lot" involves... building a bunker! or... building a bunker?
Overall, Classic showed complete lack of understanding of the MU or, which is more likely, he just had no confidence against maru (or terrans in general), so he avoided standard plays at all costs. Pretty dissapointing series. But they also prove how broken PvT is. And by that i mean too many agressive options for terran early/mid game which (if executed correctly, and not w/o coinfliping sometimes) makes playing from a protoss perspective a real pain in the ass. Like, for the first half of the game you are paranoid about terran agression hoping to survive till the late game, where you actually don't have any edge against terran compositions that involve ghosts. So yep, protoss still have to rely on gimmicks against competent terrans, who just play their cards cold minded. And almost forgot, you also have to read through numerious tl threads with diamond terrans whining about your race, that's a nuisance too, but i can live with that.

On April 15 2019 15:30 insitelol wrote:

I'm pretty sure that "learning a lot" involves... building a bunker! or... building a bunker?
Overall, Classic showed complete lack of understanding of the MU or, which is more likely, he just had no confidence against maru (or terrans in general), so he avoided standard plays at all costs. Pretty dissapointing series. But they also prove how broken PvT is. And by that i mean too many agressive options for terran early/mid game which (if executed correctly, and not w/o coinfliping sometimes) makes playing from a protoss perspective a real pain in the ass. Like, for the first half of the game you are paranoid about terran agression hoping to survive till the late game, where you actually don't have any edge against terran compositions that involve ghosts. So yep, protoss still have to rely on gimmicks against competent terrans, who just play their cards cold minded. And almost forgot, you also have to read through numerious tl threads with diamond terrans whining about your race, that's a nuisance too, but i can live with that.

On April 15 2019 15:57 fronkschnonk wrote:

Well, Serral really isn't the hottest player right now. Right now Maru needs to beat the likes of Reynor, Innovation, soO and Dark to prove his skill.

On April 15 2019 17:03 StarcraftSquall wrote:


IS HE THOUGH?

Let’s think about this for a second...

Serral’s losses this year were very close. They all involved a decider game and weren’t bops except for Neeb in WESG when he was sick (yes he was by his own admission).

Think a little harder... every player that beat him in a tournament stage ended up winning said tournament. He’s not on the same kind of streak Maru is currently but as far as Circuit players is there anyone else you trust to be consistently good and show high quality play at this time?

soO INnoVation and Reynor show flashes of brilliance yes. But no consistency. And that matters.

On April 15 2019 19:24 ProFalseIdol wrote:
With his domination in ProLeague days in 2016, consistent top Terran position, WESG win against TY, a Royal Road win in both 2013 OSL and 2015 SSL, and his 4 consecutive GSL wins. The only player to win all 3 Korean star leagues. If you include his time in Proleague, he has been consistently in at least top 4 of tournaments every year since 2012, just two years after his professional debut at age 13.

Maru is the SC2 Greatest Player of All Time.

On April 15 2019 19:55 xelnaga_empire wrote:


Nah. I think Innovation is still the GOAT of all time but it's close between him and Maru, after Maru's 4th GSL win. Innovation has won 9 Premier Tournament titles and came in 3rd/4th and 2nd in a bunch of other premier tournaments: INnoVation

Innovation was also a monster in Pro League and he was the ace player that helped his team win two Pro Leagues - with STX in 2013, and SK Telecom in 2015.

For me, after Innovation won this year's WESG, even the 4th GSL by Maru didn't put him over Innovation, but that is my opinion (WESG is not as difficult and prestigious as GSL, but it was still a nice win by Innovation).

Anyways, this is subjective at this point and we all have different opinions. But if Maru wins more premier tournaments this year and Innovation doesn't, I would consider Maru to be GOAT.

On April 15 2019 20:00 deacon.frost wrote:

Well you have to consider 4 Code S titles in a row. Which sounds a tiny differently than "just" 4 code s titles

On April 15 2019 21:30 ProFalseIdol wrote:


4 GSL Code S in a row is MASSIVE. Also, Maru is the only player to have double Royal Road in SC2 and the only other player to achieve this is BoxeR.

I think it's time to put Maru's picture here:
https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/8/84/Bonjwa2.png

On April 15 2019 22:43 Xain0n wrote:
Recency bias and Code S bias are making people proclaim Maru undisputed GOAT; if you look at his results more objectively, that's not the case, but he isn't that far and might very well become the most accomplished player over time if Inno stops winning. It is one understandable call, overall.

Calling Maru bonjwa(assuming the term can be applied to Sc2) is instead inappropriate; his best streak took place last year from mid March to mid September when he won WESG and three Code S seasons while losing at Super Tourament I and GSL vs the World. That's a terrific streak, strictly better than Rogue's who went 4/7(July 2017-March 2018) but arguably worse than Life's who won five out of eight Premier tournaments in five months(October 2012-March 2013, Maru would be only 3/5 if we consider the same time span). Moreover, Serral's streak(5/5 or 6/6 albeit three of these being WCS tournaments so let's not make) in 2018 partially overlaps with Maru's and the title of bonjwa is tied to unchallenged domination(Flash became one after defeating his contender Jaedong in three consecutive starleague finals in 2010); none of the Sc2 players mentioned above truly is a bonjwa but I'd say Life is the closest we ever got.

It's weird that the bonjwa calls for Maru are made now as, after Code S3 2018, he lost at Super Tournament, BlizzCon, IEM Katowice 2019 and WESG before winning again this last Code S title. It's one outstanding accomplishment in regards of his career, but in no way it makes him a bonjwa: no one is dominating Sc2 in 2019, we had different winners in every Premier tournaments.

On April 15 2019 19:24 ProFalseIdol wrote:
With his domination in ProLeague days in 2016, consistent top Terran position, WESG win against TY, a Royal Road win in both 2013 OSL and 2015 SSL, and his 4 consecutive GSL wins. The only player to win all 3 Korean star leagues. If you include his time in Proleague, he has been consistently in at least top 4 of tournaments every year since 2012, just two years after his professional debut at age 13.

Maru is the SC2 Greatest Player of All Time.