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ubikz
Profile Joined March 2015
69 Posts
April 15 2019 17:28 GMT
#61
Hide the personal bias when writing your opinion. It provides veracity.
burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
April 15 2019 19:46 GMT
#62
On April 16 2019 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 22:34 Rodya wrote:
Polt and Kiwian (TOP) both mention how the jet lag and travel fatique from traveling to a foreigner event is a significant issue for some Koreans. Maru probably suffers from this too.

Can we stop calling Maru a double royal roader though? Didn't he win the very first SSL? Seriously, stop it with this nonsense. And he won the second SC2 OSL... these are not impressive royal roads and no one considers him a royal roader other than some trolls on here. Life is a royal roader, Dear is a royal roader. Maru is not.

Royal road is nothing else than winning that tournament the first time you qualify for the main rounds (i always thought this added qualifier is dumb if anything else). It stems from OSL specifically but people used it for starleagues in general.
GRRRR is a royal roader, just like maru royal roaded both OSL and SSL. No trolling required


Mhmm and so is Fruitdealer
sOs is best
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
April 15 2019 19:51 GMT
#63
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?
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DumbestThingEver
Profile Joined April 2019
4 Posts
April 15 2019 20:08 GMT
#64
On April 16 2019 02:28 ubikz wrote:
Hide the personal bias when writing your opinion. It provides veracity.


Long time lurker here. I feel compelled to chime in after reading this. Do you understand what an opinion or opinion piece is? Telling someone to hide their personal bias when putting their opinion out there is like telling them don't have an opinion at all.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 15 2019 20:21 GMT
#65
On April 16 2019 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 22:34 Rodya wrote:
Polt and Kiwian (TOP) both mention how the jet lag and travel fatique from traveling to a foreigner event is a significant issue for some Koreans. Maru probably suffers from this too.

Can we stop calling Maru a double royal roader though? Didn't he win the very first SSL? Seriously, stop it with this nonsense. And he won the second SC2 OSL... these are not impressive royal roads and no one considers him a royal roader other than some trolls on here. Life is a royal roader, Dear is a royal roader. Maru is not.

Royal road is nothing else than winning that tournament the first time you qualify for the main rounds (i always thought this added qualifier is dumb if anything else). It stems from OSL specifically but people used it for starleagues in general.
GRRRR is a royal roader, just like maru royal roaded both OSL and SSL. No trolling required

Lets be honest though being considered a royal roader for winning the first event of a tournament series is pretty dumb. Even if it's technically true.

Even with OSL it's not that amazing considering that OSL ran instead of GSL for a season and he'd played in GSL many times before.

Maru is a GOAT candidate for winning six fucking starleagues including four in a row. The royal roader stuff is cool but shouldn't be a factor.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 15 2019 20:34 GMT
#66
On April 16 2019 05:21 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 15 2019 22:34 Rodya wrote:
Polt and Kiwian (TOP) both mention how the jet lag and travel fatique from traveling to a foreigner event is a significant issue for some Koreans. Maru probably suffers from this too.

Can we stop calling Maru a double royal roader though? Didn't he win the very first SSL? Seriously, stop it with this nonsense. And he won the second SC2 OSL... these are not impressive royal roads and no one considers him a royal roader other than some trolls on here. Life is a royal roader, Dear is a royal roader. Maru is not.

Royal road is nothing else than winning that tournament the first time you qualify for the main rounds (i always thought this added qualifier is dumb if anything else). It stems from OSL specifically but people used it for starleagues in general.
GRRRR is a royal roader, just like maru royal roaded both OSL and SSL. No trolling required

Lets be honest though being considered a royal roader for winning the first event of a tournament series is pretty dumb. Even if it's technically true.

Even with OSL it's not that amazing considering that OSL ran instead of GSL for a season and he'd played in GSL many times before.

Maru is a GOAT candidate for winning six fucking starleagues including four in a row. The royal roader stuff is cool but shouldn't be a factor.


Well it is no factor for me, but it is still a royal road and as i said before, if anything the dumb part is that it only counts as a try the first time you play in the main rounds. The first ever tournament being considered as well makes perfect sense, why wouldn't it.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 15 2019 21:05 GMT
#67
On April 16 2019 05:21 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On April 15 2019 22:34 Rodya wrote:
Polt and Kiwian (TOP) both mention how the jet lag and travel fatique from traveling to a foreigner event is a significant issue for some Koreans. Maru probably suffers from this too.

Can we stop calling Maru a double royal roader though? Didn't he win the very first SSL? Seriously, stop it with this nonsense. And he won the second SC2 OSL... these are not impressive royal roads and no one considers him a royal roader other than some trolls on here. Life is a royal roader, Dear is a royal roader. Maru is not.

Royal road is nothing else than winning that tournament the first time you qualify for the main rounds (i always thought this added qualifier is dumb if anything else). It stems from OSL specifically but people used it for starleagues in general.
GRRRR is a royal roader, just like maru royal roaded both OSL and SSL. No trolling required

Lets be honest though being considered a royal roader for winning the first event of a tournament series is pretty dumb. Even if it's technically true.

Even with OSL it's not that amazing considering that OSL ran instead of GSL for a season and he'd played in GSL many times before.

Maru is a GOAT candidate for winning six fucking starleagues including four in a row. The royal roader stuff is cool but shouldn't be a factor.

But it's an awesome feat to mention as he did it twice
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StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
April 15 2019 22:12 GMT
#68
Maru doesn’t have anything left to prove in GSL Code S. He DOES however, have a ton to prove in the weekend format. He’ll get his first chance to silence the critics this weekend. But what does the narrative become if he flames out early again? 🤔
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 15 2019 22:18 GMT
#69
On April 16 2019 07:12 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Maru doesn’t have anything left to prove in GSL Code S. He DOES however, have a ton to prove in the weekend format. He’ll get his first chance to silence the critics this weekend. But what does the narrative become if he flames out early again? 🤔

With so much money he doesn't need to silence anyone, 4 code s titles in a row, beat that.
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DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
April 15 2019 22:44 GMT
#70
Some would say 1 Blizzcon >> any number of Code Esses.
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
April 15 2019 22:47 GMT
#71
On April 16 2019 07:18 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 07:12 StarcraftSquall wrote:
Maru doesn’t have anything left to prove in GSL Code S. He DOES however, have a ton to prove in the weekend format. He’ll get his first chance to silence the critics this weekend. But what does the narrative become if he flames out early again? 🤔

With so much money he doesn't need to silence anyone, 4 code s titles in a row, beat that.


Yeah exactly. The amount of scrutiny and things being listed for Maru to accomplish before somebody would want to consider him great just reflects the fact on how far ahead of his competition he is.

For example, "look he did not win x,y and z tourneys since last year". If we pick out everybody's GOAT candidates and look at their best/peak year they would not have all the tournaments either. Judging somebody's performance is relative to where his peers are and cannot be absolute.

In my book for somebody to be best in the world, they need to win starleagues in korea. For all the dissing GSL is receiving from some newer followers of the game being a preparation tournament and not an international tournament, when you win a GSL you beat everybody who was in the best possible shape to take you down. As much as these fans would like to belittle Maru's success calling him a preparation players, all his opponents had the chance to prepare on him as well. That is why winning a GSL means you beat everybody else with all the edges they couldve worked up on you.

When judging a certain players success we all cant be like no no he hasnt won x,y and z tournament. Look at what the rest of the competition achieved? Korea and otherwise. Inno and sOO took big events this year preventing Maru and serral from winning but then bombed out of the GSL.
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 15 2019 22:55 GMT
#72
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?


You are forgetting Life; Inno is the only GOAT contender who is still active and can keep winning.

Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.

In any of case, I think my point is clear enough; I would actually bet most of the comments here are made by the same vocal minority who thinks that Maru also was the most accomplished player in 2018 and that, in reality, not many are convinced Maru is the GOAT yet.
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 04:52:03
April 15 2019 23:30 GMT
#73

you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.


Yes a feat that nobody else has achieved. Not even 2 in a row.

Edit: my bad, Nestea did win 2 in row in 2011 as noted in:
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/546006-maru-becomes-the-greatest-gsl-player
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
April 15 2019 23:59 GMT
#74
On April 16 2019 07:55 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?



Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.




The thing is that you don't realize that's the most impressive achievement any player has in SC2 history. Winning 4 GSL's in a row is completely unheard of. Has anyone else even won just 2 in a row?
ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
April 15 2019 23:59 GMT
#75
On April 16 2019 07:55 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?


You are forgetting Life; Inno is the only GOAT contender who is still active and can keep winning.

Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.

In any of case, I think my point is clear enough; I would actually bet most of the comments here are made by the same vocal minority who thinks that Maru also was the most accomplished player in 2018 and that, in reality, not many are convinced Maru is the GOAT yet.


Kudos to your tenacity man. You have been so persistent in arguing about this in each thread I walk to its almost impressive. Obviously it means a lot to you. But calling the people who have a different opinion a "vocal minority" doesn't add anything to what you're saying in fact weakens it.

Adults can agree to disagree right?
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 16 2019 00:50 GMT
#76
On April 16 2019 08:59 ValM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 07:55 Xain0n wrote:
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?


You are forgetting Life; Inno is the only GOAT contender who is still active and can keep winning.

Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.

In any of case, I think my point is clear enough; I would actually bet most of the comments here are made by the same vocal minority who thinks that Maru also was the most accomplished player in 2018 and that, in reality, not many are convinced Maru is the GOAT yet.


Kudos to your tenacity man. You have been so persistent in arguing about this in each thread I walk to its almost impressive. Obviously it means a lot to you. But calling the people who have a different opinion a "vocal minority" doesn't add anything to what you're saying in fact weakens it.

Adults can agree to disagree right?


I would not dare to say such a thing if it only was a fantasy of my own; that the one claiming Maru is the GOAT is a vocal minority is a speculation I am making, based on the fact a similar phenomena could be observed in the Serral vs Maru argument some months ago: on TL, the volume of the actual posts favoring Maru was disproportionately high if compared to the various polls inevitably favoring Serral.
I think the same is happening now but I might be wrong, of course.

I find it relevant that Maru's celebration article just published assesses him as the "best player in GSL history".
That's a title suffragated by facts and a very reasonable claim I can agree with.

Maru's recent Code S results are most likely the most impressive achievement a player reached in the same competition in the history of Sc2; players had won a total of three overall or two consecutive times before but never four, not to mention consecutively.

By itself, however, this doesn't make Maru a GOAT; at the moment, he is just a step below the actual contenders for the title.
Maru has been playing for almost nine years already and he is at his peak now, I won't be surprised if he eventually ends up truly becoming the greatest player in Sc2's history.
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
April 16 2019 03:34 GMT
#77
On April 16 2019 09:50 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 08:59 ValM wrote:
On April 16 2019 07:55 Xain0n wrote:
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?


You are forgetting Life; Inno is the only GOAT contender who is still active and can keep winning.

Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.

In any of case, I think my point is clear enough; I would actually bet most of the comments here are made by the same vocal minority who thinks that Maru also was the most accomplished player in 2018 and that, in reality, not many are convinced Maru is the GOAT yet.


Kudos to your tenacity man. You have been so persistent in arguing about this in each thread I walk to its almost impressive. Obviously it means a lot to you. But calling the people who have a different opinion a "vocal minority" doesn't add anything to what you're saying in fact weakens it.

Adults can agree to disagree right?


I would not dare to say such a thing if it only was a fantasy of my own; that the one claiming Maru is the GOAT is a vocal minority is a speculation I am making, based on the fact a similar phenomena could be observed in the Serral vs Maru argument some months ago: on TL, the volume of the actual posts favoring Maru was disproportionately high if compared to the various polls inevitably favoring Serral.
I think the same is happening now but I might be wrong, of course.

I find it relevant that Maru's celebration article just published assesses him as the "best player in GSL history".
That's a title suffragated by facts and a very reasonable claim I can agree with.

Maru's recent Code S results are most likely the most impressive achievement a player reached in the same competition in the history of Sc2; players had won a total of three overall or two consecutive times before but never four, not to mention consecutively.

By itself, however, this doesn't make Maru a GOAT; at the moment, he is just a step below the actual contenders for the title.
Maru has been playing for almost nine years already and he is at his peak now, I won't be surprised if he eventually ends up truly becoming the greatest player in Sc2's history.

I really respect your mostly respectful tone in discussions but I think you're crossing a line here in terms of reputability. You're basicaly calling your own opinion the only possible fact-based opinion that exists - at least in comes across that way every time you're stressing that this isn't just your opinion.

I don't think that the "Maru-vs-Serral" and the "Maru GOAT?"-discussions should be compared so easily. While polls wether Maru or Serral is GO2018 were highly responded by more casual SC2 fans which were inspired by the greatness of Serral a discussion about Maru based on his 4th consecutice GSL win is more a discussion among the common TL-visitors. One can easily see that based on the length of threads on those topics.

Calling Maru GOAT is a valid posiion at this time, I think. Winning 4 consecutive GSLs is indeed a factor that can outshine (you used the same argument for Serral's WCS wins, btw) additional tournament wins by others. I'm still not sure about the GOAT-question. I'd rather dodge it for now because nobody is really convincing me enough to claim this title.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
April 16 2019 03:41 GMT
#78
On April 16 2019 12:34 fronkschnonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 09:50 Xain0n wrote:
On April 16 2019 08:59 ValM wrote:
On April 16 2019 07:55 Xain0n wrote:
On April 16 2019 04:51 DieuCure wrote:
So INno is the last contender ?

Taeja and MVP are out ?


You are forgetting Life; Inno is the only GOAT contender who is still active and can keep winning.

Maru is not up there yet in terms of career achievements yet, you guys are blinded by the fact he won four consecutive Code S.

In any of case, I think my point is clear enough; I would actually bet most of the comments here are made by the same vocal minority who thinks that Maru also was the most accomplished player in 2018 and that, in reality, not many are convinced Maru is the GOAT yet.


Kudos to your tenacity man. You have been so persistent in arguing about this in each thread I walk to its almost impressive. Obviously it means a lot to you. But calling the people who have a different opinion a "vocal minority" doesn't add anything to what you're saying in fact weakens it.

Adults can agree to disagree right?


I would not dare to say such a thing if it only was a fantasy of my own; that the one claiming Maru is the GOAT is a vocal minority is a speculation I am making, based on the fact a similar phenomena could be observed in the Serral vs Maru argument some months ago: on TL, the volume of the actual posts favoring Maru was disproportionately high if compared to the various polls inevitably favoring Serral.
I think the same is happening now but I might be wrong, of course.

I find it relevant that Maru's celebration article just published assesses him as the "best player in GSL history".
That's a title suffragated by facts and a very reasonable claim I can agree with.

Maru's recent Code S results are most likely the most impressive achievement a player reached in the same competition in the history of Sc2; players had won a total of three overall or two consecutive times before but never four, not to mention consecutively.

By itself, however, this doesn't make Maru a GOAT; at the moment, he is just a step below the actual contenders for the title.
Maru has been playing for almost nine years already and he is at his peak now, I won't be surprised if he eventually ends up truly becoming the greatest player in Sc2's history.

I really respect your mostly respectful tone in discussions but I think you're crossing a line here in terms of reputability. You're basicaly calling your own opinion the only possible fact-based opinion that exists - at least in comes across that way every time you're stressing that this isn't just your opinion.

I don't think that the "Maru-vs-Serral" and the "Maru GOAT?"-discussions should be compared so easily. While polls wether Maru or Serral is GO2018 were highly responded by more casual SC2 fans which were inspired by the greatness of Serral a discussion about Maru based on his 4th consecutice GSL win is more a discussion among the common TL-visitors. One can easily see that based on the length of threads on those topics.

Calling Maru GOAT is a valid posiion at this time, I think. Winning 4 consecutive GSLs is indeed a factor that can outshine (you used the same argument for Serral's WCS wins, btw) additional tournament wins by others. I'm still not sure about the GOAT-question. I'd rather dodge it for now because nobody is really convincing me enough to claim this title.



On April 16 2019 02:23 Doink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 19:24 ProFalseIdol wrote:
With his domination in ProLeague days in 2016, consistent top Terran position, WESG win against TY, a Royal Road win in both 2013 OSL and 2015 SSL, and his 4 consecutive GSL wins. The only player to win all 3 Korean star leagues. If you include his time in Proleague, he has been consistently in at least top 4 of tournaments every year since 2012, just two years after his professional debut at age 13.

Maru is the SC2 Greatest Player of All Time.


A GOAT losing weekend tourneys in the early stages is quite a disappointing GOAT.
Inno is a more suitable candidate for GOAT.

Do you mean IEM-Innovation? Or perhaps "not-winning-anything in 2018"-Innovation? Or "not-attending-blizzcon"-Innovation?
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 04:41:27
April 16 2019 04:39 GMT
#79
On April 16 2019 12:41 fronkschnonk wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 02:23 Doink wrote:
On April 15 2019 19:24 ProFalseIdol wrote:
With his domination in ProLeague days in 2016, consistent top Terran position, WESG win against TY, a Royal Road win in both 2013 OSL and 2015 SSL, and his 4 consecutive GSL wins. The only player to win all 3 Korean star leagues. If you include his time in Proleague, he has been consistently in at least top 4 of tournaments every year since 2012, just two years after his professional debut at age 13.

Maru is the SC2 Greatest Player of All Time.


A GOAT losing weekend tourneys in the early stages is quite a disappointing GOAT.
Inno is a more suitable candidate for GOAT.


Do you mean IEM-Innovation? Or perhaps "not-winning-anything in 2018"-Innovation? Or "not-attending-blizzcon"-Innovation?





That last one is brutal. He didn't have enough WCS points, not even close, he placed 14th. Interestingly, in 2016 when ByuN won BlizzCon, Innovation ranked 31st tied with Bomber and SpeeD.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
April 16 2019 05:06 GMT
#80
Even though the finals may not have had the greatest games, I think theorycrafters may look back at it and see that it had many interesting nuances that may influence the meta in the upcoming year.

- Classic came preped with a quick attack to deny/slow the natural expand. Maru countered with the blind bunker but if the blind bunker becomes the norm surely protoss can exploit this by playing super greedy? Because of this, players would have to figure out a solution to this.

- Tempest rush - what can i say?? Super innovative. And if it was Special that came up with it, kudos to him.

- BCs vs Protoss lategame. In the pass, I see terrans crumble to mass tempest play but Maru seemed to have found a solution? I think this area is worth exploring further.
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