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Serral, the PatchZerg

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plz guys, it was a joke
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 22:26:53
April 01 2019 21:14 GMT
#1

Serral, the PatchZerg: An Uncomfortable Truth

by Wax

Three months into 2019, one thing has become undeniably clear: Serral is a PatchZerg.

Serral has never been the undisputed #1 player in the world, contrary to what you may have been led to believe. Casters and Blizzard referred to Serral as the best in the world, simply because he was a foreigner who managed to crack the top ten.

In 2018, Serral was good enough to do well at a couple weekenders, but he refused to participate in the major leagues (GSL). Of course, if he wants to play in the minor leagues (WCS) and rack up wins and money, that's totally fine. But saying he's the best player in the world wasn't something an objective observer could say. His dominance isn't unprecedented, because Serral barely played against top players. INnoVation and Life both had stronger periods of dominance in their prime, even if they didn't win 40+ series in a row by some contrived metric (online, offline, whatever). And this isn't even taking Maru's 2018 into account, where he won three Code S tournaments in a row.

Serral's losses at IEM and WESG were huge blows against his legacy because he barely plays any matches against Koreans. He won't play an important tournament with Koreans in it until GSL. vs The World in August, and then BlizzCon after that. It's even worse when you consider that Serral lost in these very two tournaments last year. While Serral fans would have you believe their twisted version of reality, WESG and IEM are the two most prestigious international tournaments, not GSL vs. The World and BlizzCon. GSL vs The World is a vacation time for Koreans, and BlizzCon's format makes it a less challenging tournament than IEM or even Super Tournament (let alone Code S). HomeCtory Cup was an underrated great win for Serral, but it's not enough to vindicate him as a truly great player.

It might be that Serral simply exploited 2018 Zerg to its fullest. In 2018, Serral played super defensively and just tried to outlast his opponent. Zerg can win like that because they were given the strongest late-game with the many changes implemented throughout 2018. Maru actually had his invincible Raven-style taken away early in the year, and even after that he continued to dominate GSL by pivoting to very active and aggressive play. Terran has just been directly/indirectly nerfed in the lategame too many times.

One final note: It's funny that people think we 'Korean Elitists' hate Serral, because we definitely do not. It seems that if you don't agree that Serral is the best player ever, then that implies that you hate Serral. Therefore you are shamed into praising Serral—even if you have a more moderate point of view—unless you are willing to accept endless harassment and provocation.



Aprillipäivä

Special thanks to Rodya for his long history of TeamLiquid.net contributions.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 01 2019 21:14 GMT
#2
Hahahahaha
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 01 2019 21:20 GMT
#3
The 4th paragraph is straight up copy-pasted from a Rodya post isn't it?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
April 01 2019 21:20 GMT
#4
Not Bisu article, I'm sad
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
April 01 2019 21:24 GMT
#5
TL's plot against the foreijwa is revealed !
(Still better than the emperor has no clothes :p)
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 21:29:28
April 01 2019 21:29 GMT
#6
The real twist is that it wasn't April 1st anymore in Finland when this came out.
why even
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 01 2019 21:29 GMT
#7
ah fuck finland is one hour past CET
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 21:35:33
April 01 2019 21:35 GMT
#8
lol, good April fool's joke. A bit embarrassing for me since I kind of believed in some of this stuff before Serral won Blizzcon.
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States972 Posts
April 01 2019 21:35 GMT
#9
Finally, a lazy narrative I can get behind.
Ok Starcraft 2 Commentator
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
April 01 2019 21:40 GMT
#10
So the last one was for Korean time and this one's for NA time?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
April 01 2019 21:44 GMT
#11
On April 02 2019 06:20 Aeromi wrote:
Not Bisu article, I'm sad

I'm always said when articles about other people aren't about Bisu.

On topic: I know it is in jest, but the arguments are almost reasonable.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
April 01 2019 22:03 GMT
#12
not to mention this guy didn't win a single ESLPro Series

not a single one
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Achamian
Profile Joined May 2017
82 Posts
April 01 2019 22:16 GMT
#13
On April 02 2019 07:03 Penev wrote:
not to mention this guy didn't win a single ESLPro Series

not a single one

nor NASL
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 01 2019 22:24 GMT
#14
Oh wow, I almost fell into this... Not following SC2 so even checked WCS EU thinking maybe he dropped out too early lol.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 22:37:42
April 01 2019 22:37 GMT
#15
Too bad the rogue patchzerg article wasn't also posted on April 1st
Progamer
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 01 2019 22:43 GMT
#16
He never played against Puma in his prime at ANY of the NASLs!

Excellent tribute to Rodya, and balance whiners everywhere
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 01 2019 22:46 GMT
#17
On April 02 2019 07:37 Scarlett` wrote:
Too bad the rogue patchzerg article wasn't also posted on April 1st


but Rodya seriously says you're a better all-time foreigner than Serral
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 01 2019 22:49 GMT
#18
Gr8 b8 m8, i r8 it 8/8
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
DreamlnCode
Profile Joined December 2018
United Kingdom77 Posts
April 01 2019 22:52 GMT
#19
Amazing, literally laughed out loud at this.
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-01 22:59:08
April 01 2019 22:58 GMT
#20
Yes, haha. I've been trying to tell people for a while now Serral is clearly a patch zerg. That's why he isn't being so successful now and many players are taking series against him this year. He can't rely so hard on his patch anymore.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 01 2019 23:00 GMT
#21
Now I understand why you guys decided to ban Dave4, it was to keep Wax's life safe from him.

A nice piece, even if I had already read(and replied to) all of it before it even was written.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
688 Posts
April 01 2019 23:04 GMT
#22
On April 02 2019 06:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 06:20 Aeromi wrote:
Not Bisu article, I'm sad

I'm always said when articles about other people aren't about Bisu.

On topic: I know it is in jest, but the arguments are almost reasonable.


I know, I'm reading through this and thinking "wtf, these are arguments that real people would make against Serral" haha
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
zenDO
Profile Joined March 2019
Spain25 Posts
April 01 2019 23:22 GMT
#23
I don't know what to say to this.
SpeCial, Maru, ByuN and TIME <3 | Go Aqueron and SouLeer!
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
April 01 2019 23:28 GMT
#24
On April 02 2019 08:22 zenDO wrote:
I don't know what to say to this.


Slowly repeat after me. Serral... is a... patch zerg...
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 02 2019 00:10 GMT
#25
I'm glad that Blizzard has made this clear to us all by bringing zerg back from its imbalanced 2018 state with nerfs such as the Nydus rework.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
April 02 2019 00:24 GMT
#26
I have to admit, half-way through the opening post, I was really getting riled up. By the time I reached the end, I was wondering if this was a genuine or a sarcastic tribute to Rodya. Without the foot notes, I am not sure that I would have been able to sleep calmly, though...
Final verdict: this is a very vicious April fools joke!
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
April 02 2019 00:37 GMT
#27
That pic of patches as a 80% transparent layer in Serral's pic sold me the piece.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany628 Posts
April 02 2019 00:41 GMT
#28
Where is the TL- feature!
TheWildShooter
Profile Joined September 2011
79 Posts
April 02 2019 01:43 GMT
#29
Nice, you posted this article when it already was april 2nd in the half of the world.

P.s. completely agree with what has been written in the article. Serral isn't that great as community tried to depict him.
oGsMC <3
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 02 2019 01:45 GMT
#30
Where's the man himself? Is Rodya still banned?
very illegal and very uncool
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 02 2019 02:07 GMT
#31
On April 02 2019 10:45 argonautdice wrote:
Where's the man himself? Is Rodya still banned?


Sadly it turn out Xain0n is full of cash, TL- first victim.

Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 02 2019 02:59 GMT
#32
Thank you Wax for revealing the truth.
May this be a lesson for everyone, whenever someone wins any tournament the question must be asked; are they winning because they got skill or are they winning because they are simply playing Patch Zerg/Terran/Protoss.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 02 2019 03:21 GMT
#33
the biggest problem with this prank is that we all know there's someone on staff who does shit like this all the time
TL+ Member
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 03:56:13
April 02 2019 03:53 GMT
#34
So you post it on April 2 (Finland time)?
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
April 02 2019 04:34 GMT
#35
Finally someone confirming what everybody's been thinking.
Have a nice day ;)
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
April 02 2019 04:53 GMT
#36
read the first paragraph, scrolled back up to check who could possibly write something so off base and finally, i'm glad you don't believe it lolll.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
April 02 2019 05:40 GMT
#37
On April 02 2019 12:53 RealityTheGreat wrote:
So you post it on April 2 (Finland time)?


shuttup
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 02 2019 05:48 GMT
#38
Finally someone put the truth in one article, good source for future debates :p.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
April 02 2019 06:09 GMT
#39
My signature is finally relevant to a TL article
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
April 02 2019 06:32 GMT
#40
I hope the man himself got a chuckle.
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curutcis
Profile Joined May 2015
San Marino284 Posts
April 02 2019 06:36 GMT
#41
Wax, get your shit and timing's right. Posted on 02 Apr , Finn time?. Such a noob!

That pic man, change this article from D- to A+. Great job. Almost felt for it, almost...
GL HF...cause it's all about the FUN!!!!!
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
April 02 2019 06:39 GMT
#42
Is the monthly ranking still posted yet?

I don't believe the piece unless the new ranking is out. >
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 08:34:50
April 02 2019 08:34 GMT
#43
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
April 02 2019 09:01 GMT
#44
On April 02 2019 17:34 Waxangel wrote:
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0

This is pure gold.
sOs TY PartinG
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
April 02 2019 09:13 GMT
#45
How many TL- did you get for this Wax? xD
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 02 2019 09:25 GMT
#46
DUDE reading this on 2nd of april made me feel sick wax ... show at least its from 1st april xD
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation393 Posts
April 02 2019 09:30 GMT
#47
You should be ashamed of yourself, TL.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 10:02:27
April 02 2019 10:02 GMT
#48
He is right, however, he never had to face the best terrans in the world in 2018, except his defeat against Maru, mostly because terran was weak in weekenders ( and overall).
11 weekenders premier tournaments in 2018 ( WESG, 4WCS, 2GSL ST, GSL vs the World, Katowice, Pyeongchang, Blizzcon ) and only one tournament with a terran in finals.
TL+ Member
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
April 02 2019 10:18 GMT
#49
^ lol at least we don't need to argue with ridiculous "logic" like that in this thread. From now on any time someone comes up with same type of argument - i'm calling in Wax to bring justice.
Drone is a way of living
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
April 02 2019 10:29 GMT
#50
As a mongrel independent scrapyard outcast bilge-froth margin dweller, April 1st shtick/pranks seem hopelessly fuddy-duddy and quaint.

Worse - its a cliche tradition turned pastiche upon which idiots hang infantile material of which they are infinitely proud.

Worse - its become a post modernist fetish of normality manifested as irony:

"Aw I tricked you guys...laugh laugh...first you thought one thing and then another, and and and HERP DERP...I made you do that...laugh laugh...(But I am just doing it as an ironic performance, I know its not funny or clever and just silly, yet I do it anyway because I have zero insight into my behavior)"

I mean who participates in this shit willingly?

0/10

Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
April 02 2019 10:33 GMT
#51
On April 02 2019 17:34 Waxangel wrote:
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0


Where is Rodya though?
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
April 02 2019 10:51 GMT
#52
On April 02 2019 19:33 Serimek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 17:34 Waxangel wrote:
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0


Where is Rodya though?

If he is not banned, probably hanging around BW threads
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 02 2019 10:51 GMT
#53
On April 02 2019 19:02 DieuCure wrote:
He is right, however, he never had to face the best terrans in the world in 2018, except his defeat against Maru, mostly because terran was weak in weekenders ( and overall).
11 weekenders premier tournaments in 2018 ( WESG, 4WCS, 2GSL ST, GSL vs the World, Katowice, Pyeongchang, Blizzcon ) and only one tournament with a terran in finals.


Clearly you have been worked over so hard by Serral fanboys that you have started to believe that 2018 really only did consist of mid-April to November (plus the weekend WCS Leipzig was played)

Also - good job by Waxangel to get the article off just after 1st April in order to throw out some smokescreen. That irresistible TL urge to call the blizzcon champ a patchzerg aint gonna satisfy itself
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
April 02 2019 11:21 GMT
#54
For all those complaining about the date, it was still April 1st for a huge number of us. In fact, the TL- was posted 12 hrs before April 1st for a huge number of us too. The date nitpicking is irrelevant. Stop wasting time on dates and more time writing wellformed responses on how Wax is just a patch-desk host.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
April 02 2019 11:22 GMT
#55
On April 02 2019 19:02 DieuCure wrote:
He is right, however, he never had to face the best terrans in the world in 2018, except his defeat against Maru, mostly because terran was weak in weekenders ( and overall).
11 weekenders premier tournaments in 2018 ( WESG, 4WCS, 2GSL ST, GSL vs the World, Katowice, Pyeongchang, Blizzcon ) and only one tournament with a terran in finals.


So your claim is

Zerg / Protoss > Terran > Serral?

This is gold!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
April 02 2019 11:28 GMT
#56
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 11:31:29
April 02 2019 11:29 GMT
#57
It pains me greatly that people prefer to be offended by this, instead of joining together to mock Rodya relentlessly, on this joyous day.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
April 02 2019 11:33 GMT
#58
On April 02 2019 20:29 Ej_ wrote:
It pains me greatly that people prefer to be offended by this, instead of joining together to mock Rodya relentlessly, on this joyous day.


For some people happiness is just to find something they can argue about
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 02 2019 11:53 GMT
#59
On April 02 2019 20:29 Ej_ wrote:
It pains me greatly that people prefer to be offended by this, instead of joining together to mock Rodya relentlessly, on this joyous day.

Maybe because some people are still pissed because of the Rogue article?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
April 02 2019 11:59 GMT
#60
Guys the REAL April Fools joke is posting it on April 2nd! Its Meta
very illegal and very uncool
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 02 2019 12:05 GMT
#61
Even though the article is bogus obv I actually agree with the last paragraph.
Serral fans complaining so much about the last PR kinda proved that.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
April 02 2019 12:21 GMT
#62
Are Blizzcon titles now meaningful outside of prize money now that a Zerg player won one and needs it for legacy? Because people have spent years arguing that sOs's 2 don't mean much.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 02 2019 12:51 GMT
#63
waxangel can i speak to your supervisor

i'd like to make a formal complaint
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 02 2019 12:53 GMT
#64
On April 02 2019 21:21 Boggyb wrote:
Are Blizzcon titles now meaningful outside of prize money now that a Zerg player won one and needs it for legacy? Because people have spent years arguing that sOs's 2 don't mean much.


sOs's two blizzcons and iem championship is literally why he's one of the all time greats.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 13:11:38
April 02 2019 13:10 GMT
#65
On April 02 2019 21:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 21:21 Boggyb wrote:
Are Blizzcon titles now meaningful outside of prize money now that a Zerg player won one and needs it for legacy? Because people have spent years arguing that sOs's 2 don't mean much.


sOs's two blizzcons and iem championship is literally why he's one of the all time greats.

People have though. His two blizzcon wins combined with a ridiculous proleague history are why he's an all time great. But people still argued his wins weren't as impressive as Zest, INno, Rain etc because those guys won in GSL and tournaments in korea.

When sOs won blizzcon both times he wasn't even considered the best in the world (even according to TL PR I think), and not even close to player of the year.

Though to be fair his IEM win wasn't that impressive, Katowice wasn't the stacked 76 player world championship it is now
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
April 02 2019 13:45 GMT
#66
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
April 02 2019 13:52 GMT
#67
On April 02 2019 22:45 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.

Better players than Serral have struggled to maintain the same intensity after having success.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
April 02 2019 14:04 GMT
#68
On April 02 2019 06:29 Waxangel wrote:
ah fuck finland is one hour past CET


Congratulations, you played yourself.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
April 02 2019 14:24 GMT
#69
On April 02 2019 22:52 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 22:45 NinjaNight wrote:
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.

Better players than Serral have struggled to maintain the same intensity after having success.

This is wrong because Serral is the best player ever
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
April 02 2019 14:51 GMT
#70
On April 02 2019 22:52 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 22:45 NinjaNight wrote:
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.

Better players than Serral have struggled to maintain the same intensity after having success.


Because they have to play the very best players in the world.

Serral have to play against ro24 ( at best ) Katowice players.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 02 2019 14:57 GMT
#71
On April 02 2019 22:52 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 22:45 NinjaNight wrote:
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.

Better players than Serral have struggled to maintain the same intensity after having success.

For example: RorO, Sniper, Symbol, Rogue
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 15:19:58
April 02 2019 15:19 GMT
#72
LOOOOOL A++++ would read again, pls unban dave so i can taste his tears online about april 1st bullying.

the special thanks to rodya was the cherry on top to this article
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 02 2019 15:25 GMT
#73
On April 02 2019 22:45 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2019 20:28 Tyrhanius wrote:
To Call a Terran kor a patchterran would have been a real april fool for TL, but to call a top zerg a patchzerg, it's just a regular day on TL


Okay then how else do you explain Serral suddenly losing series to everyone? Clearly the only explanation is he lost the power of the patch.


I didn't think I'd have needed to seriously answer to this again.

A patchzerg would have never won HSC, Terran who had adapted faster to the new patch and every Zerg here, Rogue and soO included, was failing hard.

Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

Serral's period of domination was the longest(yes, he didn't play against koreans, I know) and after that ended he reached ro8 at IEM, 2nd place at WESG and a guaranteed top3 at WCS; probably one of the best slumps I can think of.


He didn't "lose to everyone", but it's crystal clear his level isn't the same he mantained for so many months last year; I can categorically exclude it's because of the patch, It's much more likely that's because he didn't train enough, his motivations aren't as compelling as they were(hard to keep up after winning so much in so few time) and/or his physical condition aren't the best. Time will tell.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 02 2019 15:40 GMT
#74
I'm waiting for the meta move of making a response article only compose with post from this thread
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 15:43:59
April 02 2019 15:41 GMT
#75
On April 03 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:
I'm waiting for the meta move of making a response article only compose with post from this thread

would work better if Dave4 wasn't banned

@Xainon: you realize you're getting trolled, right?
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 02 2019 16:04 GMT
#76
On April 03 2019 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:
I'm waiting for the meta move of making a response article only compose with post from this thread

would work better if Dave4 wasn't banned

@Xainon: you realize you're getting trolled, right?


NinjaNight is most likely trolling but the joke was becoming persistent so it made me doubt; others in this thread, however, are dead serious so I felt a proper answer was needed.

While Rodya's temp ban should be over in less than one week, Dave4 was permabanned. It would have been fun to see his reaction to this article; moreover, he was right about HSC's Drunk Rank.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 16:38:28
April 02 2019 16:37 GMT
#77
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 02 2019 16:45 GMT
#78
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 17:26:29
April 02 2019 17:25 GMT
#79
On April 02 2019 17:34 Waxangel wrote:
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0

Laughed so hard I spit out the drink I was having while reading this, lol
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 02 2019 17:42 GMT
#80
On April 02 2019 17:34 Waxangel wrote:
Fun(!) fact: This article was composed entirely of past Rodya posts :0

Yeah, i thought it felt familiar somehow
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 17:52:16
April 02 2019 17:51 GMT
#81
Finally we get the real hard hitting Rodya insight on Serral recognized by the staff
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
April 02 2019 17:52 GMT
#82
I didn't notice this article until April 2nd, and was quite confused until I realized when it was posted.

Good read!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
April 02 2019 18:10 GMT
#83
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?

Scarlett winning IEM against sOs
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
April 02 2019 18:27 GMT
#84
haven't even read it in full yet, but my signature is 100
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THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada119 Posts
April 02 2019 18:37 GMT
#85
this is unironically true
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 18:49:21
April 02 2019 18:44 GMT
#86
On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site

*edit* Wait shit ninja'd by actual Scarlett`
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 03 2019 00:24 GMT
#87
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?


Calling Scarlett tier 3 is actually disrespectful in my opinion; in any of case, that happened months before Serral started dominating globally, it's not even the same patch.
Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
April 03 2019 00:34 GMT
#88
always knew serral was a patch zerg we all tasted and used the dark magic that was brood lord infestor back in 2012 at some point this article proves such injustices done by the best in the world back in the day !!!
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
April 03 2019 01:27 GMT
#89
On April 03 2019 01:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 00:41 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:40 Nakajin wrote:
I'm waiting for the meta move of making a response article only compose with post from this thread

would work better if Dave4 wasn't banned

@Xainon: you realize you're getting trolled, right?


NinjaNight is most likely trolling but the joke was becoming persistent so it made me doubt; others in this thread, however, are dead serious so I felt a proper answer was needed.

While Rodya's temp ban should be over in less than one week, Dave4 was permabanned. It would have been fun to see his reaction to this article; moreover, he was right about HSC's Drunk Rank.


Haha, not exactly trolling. It was pure sarcasm =)
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 01:45:50
April 03 2019 01:38 GMT
#90
On April 03 2019 09:24 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?


Calling Scarlett tier 3 is actually disrespectful in my opinion; in any of case, that happened months before Serral started dominating globally, it's not even the same patch.


Is it really? How big are your tiers?

Depending on how finely you wanna divide tiers, I could see an argument for Tier 3. Like, tier 1 being only a champion or two, the guys that looked unstoppable. Tier 2 being the championship contenders, the ones that had a chance but missed, maybe 5-10 players. Then Scarlett would be tier 3.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 03 2019 02:06 GMT
#91
On April 03 2019 10:38 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 09:24 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?


Calling Scarlett tier 3 is actually disrespectful in my opinion; in any of case, that happened months before Serral started dominating globally, it's not even the same patch.


Is it really? How big are your tiers?

Depending on how finely you wanna divide tiers, I could see an argument for Tier 3. Like, tier 1 being only a champion or two, the guys that looked unstoppable. Tier 2 being the championship contenders, the ones that had a chance but missed, maybe 5-10 players. Then Scarlett would be tier 3.


My tiers are evidently larger than yours, I would call dominating players like Serral or Maru in 2018 S-tier, the élite tier 1, the solid outsiders tier 2; a tier 3 player should be a good one who really has few chanches to win a tournament, Scarlett won a IEM and just got a fourth place at WESG(not considering the results she had before LoTV), I think she's tier 2 at least.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 03 2019 02:16 GMT
#92
Let's just say that I was very confused to see "Aprillipäivä" at the end not because it wasn't relevant to the article but because I though google had done its share of auto-translating again
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 02:30:09
April 03 2019 02:28 GMT
#93
On April 03 2019 10:38 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 09:24 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?


Calling Scarlett tier 3 is actually disrespectful in my opinion; in any of case, that happened months before Serral started dominating globally, it's not even the same patch.


Is it really? How big are your tiers?

Depending on how finely you wanna divide tiers, I could see an argument for Tier 3. Like, tier 1 being only a champion or two, the guys that looked unstoppable. Tier 2 being the championship contenders, the ones that had a chance but missed, maybe 5-10 players. Then Scarlett would be tier 3.

That's what I was thinking.
Tier 1 - Champions (Serral, Neeb)
Tier 2 - Contenders (SpeCial, ShoWTimE, Lambo, Reynor, HeRoMaRinE etc.)
Tier 3 - Players I've heard of
Tier 4 - Who?

You have to make a top 4 more often than once every 2 years to be placed in my contender list.

You could probably split Tier 3 into playoff regulars and players I've heard of.

The split of the WCS Circuit into EU and Americas throws a giant wrench into that.

God help me, I have to add soO to my champions tier for Korea.

On April 03 2019 11:06 Xain0n wrote:
My tiers are evidently larger than yours, I would call dominating players like Serral or Maru in 2018 S-tier, the élite tier 1, the solid outsiders tier 2; a tier 3 player should be a good one who really has few chanches to win a tournament, Scarlett won a IEM and just got a fourth place at WESG(not considering the results she had before LoTV), I think she's tier 2 at least.

She was a solid tier 3 player prior to that win. She's definitely up in the Champion/Contender tier now, especially with the WCS America being only a few players deep.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 02:48:49
April 03 2019 02:45 GMT
#94
I don’t know who Rodya is, but every player who has been “undeniably the best in the world” has suddenly started losing tournaments throughout the history of sc2. Serral is still young though, it’s possible he hasn’t reached his full potential yet.
BadHabits
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada45 Posts
April 03 2019 02:48 GMT
#95
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
April 03 2019 02:50 GMT
#96
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 03 2019 02:54 GMT
#97
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


What about that time when soO wrote his own article?
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
April 03 2019 02:55 GMT
#98
On April 03 2019 11:54 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


What about that time when soO wrote his own article?

Between 2004 and 2010 all TL did was copy and paste Fomos articles.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 03:02:37
April 03 2019 03:02 GMT
#99
On April 03 2019 11:55 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 11:54 pvsnp wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


What about that time when soO wrote his own article?

Between 2004 and 2010 all TL did was copy and paste Fomos articles.


Korean pros regularly write articles on fomos? That's actually pretty cool.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 03:41:38
April 03 2019 03:41 GMT
#100
TFW everyone was Rodya all along
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
April 03 2019 03:43 GMT
#101
No TaeJa mention, not interested. /s
Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
April 03 2019 04:51 GMT
#102
0/10 no mention of Taeja or Avilo did not read article
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
April 03 2019 05:27 GMT
#103
As a huge Serral fanbiy I'm sad to admit that this article is 100% true!
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
April 03 2019 05:29 GMT
#104
Don't jokes have to at least NOT be the truth?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25330 Posts
April 03 2019 08:26 GMT
#105
Wax why did you post this on April 1st, at least in many timezones? People are just going to assume you're joking with this one.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 03 2019 23:54 GMT
#106
Hah guys I went to Classic's fan club and I found out another forgotten gem: Rodya stating Classic's 2018 was better than Serral's as his ro4 and ro8 placements in Code S were evidently a greater feat than Serral's WCS victories.
I could very well see that included in the article.
BadHabits
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada45 Posts
April 04 2019 04:45 GMT
#107
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


i thought jokes were supposed to be funny....
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BadHabits
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 04:46:39
April 04 2019 04:46 GMT
#108
i'm just here to have fun
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 04 2019 14:47 GMT
#109
On April 04 2019 13:45 BadHabits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


i thought jokes were supposed to be funny....

I know it's fun to be a contrarian but I, among a number of others I'm sure, found this article very funny but didn't find it pertinent to post an innocuous "haha" in thread.

I thought funny was supposed to be subjective....
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sokar566
Profile Joined April 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 16:12:31
April 04 2019 16:08 GMT
#110
--- Nuked ---
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
April 04 2019 16:47 GMT
#111
On April 04 2019 23:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2019 13:45 BadHabits wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


i thought jokes were supposed to be funny....

I know it's fun to be a contrarian but I, among a number of others I'm sure, found this article very funny but didn't find it pertinent to post an innocuous "haha" in thread.

I thought funny was supposed to be subjective....

i'm not sure what you think subjectivity is, but it actually means that someone calling a thread unfunny is equally valid as you calling it funny. so you kinda buried your own point
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hg2g2
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada71 Posts
April 04 2019 17:15 GMT
#112
On April 03 2019 11:28 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 10:38 pvsnp wrote:
On April 03 2019 09:24 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:45 Xain0n wrote:
On April 03 2019 01:37 Boggyb wrote:
On April 03 2019 00:25 Xain0n wrote:
Not even mentioning patchX is usually referred to nonames becoming competitive while X race starts to dominate tournaments, korean Zerg didn't reach a single final after April last year, only Reynor did at WCS Montreal; not exactly the overbearing performance one overpowered race should show, don't you think? Zerg was having even or slightly favourable matchups, yet Serral won every tournament he entered while the others failed to even win one.

You're forgetting that in 2018 a tier 3 non-Korean pro finally won a premiere tournament off the back of a match up that was Wings of Liberty level imbalanced in favor of Zerg. The match up was somewhat fixed after that but was still Zerg favored for pretty much all of 2018.


Who and what are you speaking of?


Calling Scarlett tier 3 is actually disrespectful in my opinion; in any of case, that happened months before Serral started dominating globally, it's not even the same patch.


Is it really? How big are your tiers?

Depending on how finely you wanna divide tiers, I could see an argument for Tier 3. Like, tier 1 being only a champion or two, the guys that looked unstoppable. Tier 2 being the championship contenders, the ones that had a chance but missed, maybe 5-10 players. Then Scarlett would be tier 3.

That's what I was thinking.
Tier 1 - Champions (Serral, Neeb)
Tier 2 - Contenders (SpeCial, ShoWTimE, Lambo, Reynor, HeRoMaRinE etc.)
Tier 3 - Players I've heard of
Tier 4 - Who?

You have to make a top 4 more often than once every 2 years to be placed in my contender list.

You could probably split Tier 3 into playoff regulars and players I've heard of.

The split of the WCS Circuit into EU and Americas throws a giant wrench into that.

God help me, I have to add soO to my champions tier for Korea.

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On April 03 2019 11:06 Xain0n wrote:
My tiers are evidently larger than yours, I would call dominating players like Serral or Maru in 2018 S-tier, the élite tier 1, the solid outsiders tier 2; a tier 3 player should be a good one who really has few chanches to win a tournament, Scarlett won a IEM and just got a fourth place at WESG(not considering the results she had before LoTV), I think she's tier 2 at least.

She was a solid tier 3 player prior to that win. She's definitely up in the Champion/Contender tier now, especially with the WCS America being only a few players deep.


The only world in which she was ever Tier 3 was GSL when they seeded her that way in the RO32 groups.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 04 2019 17:24 GMT
#113
On April 05 2019 01:47 brickrd wrote:
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On April 04 2019 23:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 04 2019 13:45 BadHabits wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:50 BisuDagger wrote:
On April 03 2019 11:48 BadHabits wrote:
even as a joke the things said in the article are kind of harsh, i've seen posts get warned for less.... this places moderation makes nooo sense. probably why no one bothers to post here.

These are direct quotes from someone who was banned. That was the joke. As usual, none of our writers wrote anything original.


i thought jokes were supposed to be funny....

I know it's fun to be a contrarian but I, among a number of others I'm sure, found this article very funny but didn't find it pertinent to post an innocuous "haha" in thread.

I thought funny was supposed to be subjective....

i'm not sure what you think subjectivity is, but it actually means that someone calling a thread unfunny is equally valid as you calling it funny. so you kinda buried your own point

He's implying that the thread should not be called a joke because he finds it unfunny so I don't see how I buried anything.
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inovationNN
Profile Joined April 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 20:52:48
April 04 2019 17:40 GMT
#114
Couldn't agree more. Serral is decent player, but he is good from 50% because of zerg is imbalanced. By the way isn't this balance whining ? I thought no balance complaints on this forum are allowed.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 04 2019 17:48 GMT
#115
On April 05 2019 02:40 inovationNN wrote:
Couldn't agree more. Serral is decent player, but he is good from 50% because of zerg is imbalanced. By the way isn't this balance whining ? I thought no balance complaints on this forum are allowed.


Nice bait or joke, in perfect armony with the tone of the article!
lcz823
Profile Joined April 2019
2 Posts
April 04 2019 22:07 GMT
#116
What does Serral do in zvt are only defense,defense and defense,It is a good strategy and usually works out (actually works out for 95% of Terrans).But when play with elite terrans like Maru and Innovation,this kind of style can't make enough repression like Dark.Elite Terrans just attack,attack,attack and don't need to care about their home front when play with Serral.
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