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On March 03 2019 08:47 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. Lol if you can lose in the tournament and still be the best player in the world it’s still Maru. But it does not work like that and I think Dark will win IEM this year. Yes it does work like that, just because a player wins a tournament that player is not automatically the best in the world.
Maru lost early not just at IEM but also at Blizzcon, its almost half a year since Maru had any impressive results. If anyone else but Serral had won at Blizzcon I would still have considered Maru the best in the world but since it was Serral who also had incredible results that same year I think that put Serral at nr 1. But yeah you could argue Maru was still the best after his loss at Blizzcon but not anymore, not after this early exit at IEM.
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I guess we should at least wait until the first part of the season is over before electing a new best player in the world; Serral lost but still looked strong enough. WESG and Code S will give us a broader picture; the players who could dethrone Serral(Maru, Rogue) did worse than him in this tournament, Stats is out of Code S already. We'll see, what happens if Serral redeems himself at WESG?
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On March 03 2019 08:47 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. Lol if you can lose in the tournament and still be the best player in the world it’s still Maru. But it does not work like that and I think Dark will win IEM this year.
Well yes and no, if let say herO win IEM against soO then Stats it would be kind of odd saying he's the best in tbe world having played like 7 pvp and one pvz. And it would be fair to say either Stats or Serral are the best player in the world. Maru didn't just lose at this IEM, he lost IEM-Blizcom-Super tournament and GSLvTW winning "only" gsl season 3 since last summer. One bad performance is excusable (like Stats round of 32 gsl exit) 4 of them isn't
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On March 03 2019 08:53 Xain0n wrote: I guess we should at least wait until the first part of the season is over before electing a new best player in the world; Serral lost but still looked strong enough. WESG and Code S will give us a broader picture; the players who could dethrone Serral(Maru, Rogue) did worse than him in this tournament, Stats is out of Code S already. We'll see, what happens if Serral redeems himself at WESG?
Will there be WESG this year? And will it have sc2?
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On March 03 2019 09:58 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 08:53 Xain0n wrote: I guess we should at least wait until the first part of the season is over before electing a new best player in the world; Serral lost but still looked strong enough. WESG and Code S will give us a broader picture; the players who could dethrone Serral(Maru, Rogue) did worse than him in this tournament, Stats is out of Code S already. We'll see, what happens if Serral redeems himself at WESG? Will there be WESG this year? And will it have sc2?
Yes to both! In two weeks(it starts the 11th).
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On March 03 2019 08:58 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 08:47 Poopi wrote:On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. Lol if you can lose in the tournament and still be the best player in the world it’s still Maru. But it does not work like that and I think Dark will win IEM this year. Well yes and no, if let say herO win IEM against soO then Stats it would be kind of odd saying he's the best in tbe world having played like 7 pvp and one pvz. And it would be fair to say either Stats or Serral are the best player in the world. Maru didn't just lose at this IEM, he lost IEM-Blizcom-Super tournament and GSLvTW winning "only" gsl season 3 since last summer. One bad performance is excusable (like Stats round of 32 gsl exit) 4 of them isn't
Bingo.
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>definitely wont be a zerg >probably will be a terran
lol TC
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Lettering a set of bullet points is a sure fire way to fool people in to reading nonsense. Sanbox logic, Imaginimation, and involuntary reactions, are also too a beautiful thing of nonsense. soO you think you can dance?
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It's really quite easy: currently there is no "best player in the world" - at least no player has been determined as such yet. The last serious competition was in november at Homestory Cup where Serral proved to be the best in the world. But after 3 months and a new patch it is quite dumb to claim that title for anybody. Sure, there are some contenders but we just haven't seen enough in the new year to make a clear statement. With losses of Serral, Maru and Innovation while herO and soO performed surprisingly well, we can assume that the actual ranking has been shuffled quite a bit.
So, is Serral dethroned? At least his status is disputable now. And if soO, Dark or herO wins here and also wins GSL or at least makes it to the finals, he would have to be called the new best player in the world.
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On January 11 2019 02:55 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2019 02:30 JoeCool wrote: Before discussing who will dethrone Serral we should wait and see how he performs at IEM. Starcraft 2 has a history of players outperforming everyone else in one year and descending into mediocrity the next year. Latest example beeing Innovation who turned on beastmode after a rather lackluster year 2018. No one has had one year such as a Serral's 2018:a very good start culminating into a prolonged worldwide dominance like there never had been before; him just not dropping a single offline series in more than eight months is unprecedent. I would be very surprised to see him "descend into mediocrity" but he's surely human and he can lose; I'm a little worried, Zerg are still struggling this patch and the competition is fierce.
his numbers were artificially inflated because of region lock. koreans couldn't come and compete as well. naniwa had one mlg run where he got a flawless victory run, because there were no koreans. if there were region lock back then, he would have had a huge win streak as well. thats why the serral fanboys are insufferable. the gap closed cause blizz killed the korean scene with region lock. serral is the best player in the world, but his 2018 was greatly helped via region lock.
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On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. "He lost but he's still the best" lmao you can't honestly believe that. Based on what? because he won the world championship 3 months ago? Accept it - he isn't the best anymore. I don't think we can call a player the best currently even after IEM concluded - I'd say there are now just like 5 players at the top who are all the best players in the world and would probably be 50-50 against each other. Nobody has been dominant enough to be called the clear best player.
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On March 03 2019 20:12 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. "He lost but he's still the best" lmao you can't honestly believe that. Based on what? because he won the world championship 3 months ago? Accept it - he isn't the best anymore. I don't think we can call a player the best currently even after IEM concluded - I'd say there are now just like 5 players at the top who are all the best players in the world and would probably be 50-50 against each other. Nobody has been dominant enough to be called the clear best player. Based on his recent results, obviously. Based on the past 3 biggest tournament which player has overall placed the best? Stats or Serral, there really is no other player to argue for.
One championship does not make a legacy nor does one defeat mean you are no longer the best overall player.
Edit: Lets say Serral goes on and win the next three tournaments, are you really going to argue that he was weak at this time. bad form? The second best player will sometimes defeat the best player, thats how starcraft works. That doesn't mean the best isn't the best anymore but of course he needs to keep winning future tournaments to prove that.
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On March 03 2019 21:18 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 20:12 Charoisaur wrote:On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. "He lost but he's still the best" lmao you can't honestly believe that. Based on what? because he won the world championship 3 months ago? Accept it - he isn't the best anymore. I don't think we can call a player the best currently even after IEM concluded - I'd say there are now just like 5 players at the top who are all the best players in the world and would probably be 50-50 against each other. Nobody has been dominant enough to be called the clear best player. Based on his recent results, obviously. Based on the past 3 biggest tournament which player has overall placed the best? Stats or Serral, there really is no other player to argue for. One championship does not make a legacy nor does one defeat mean you are no longer the best overall player. Edit: Lets say Serral goes on and win the next three tournaments, are you really going to argue that he was weak at this time. bad form? The second best player will sometimes defeat the best player, thats how starcraft works. That doesn't mean the best isn't the best anymore but of course he needs to keep winning future tournaments to prove that. Sure but the last tournament was 3 months ago. You can't claim he's the best now because he had a strong run 3 months ago. Since then he has shown little to suggest he's still superior to the other top 5 players but looking at his play he's definitely still on par with them.
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i wonder what kind of impact the loss has on him. some would probably get motivated but some would lose confidence. let's see if he has a champion mind set
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On March 03 2019 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 21:18 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 03 2019 20:12 Charoisaur wrote:On March 03 2019 07:26 Shuffleblade wrote: No one has dethroned Serral -_- He is still the best player in the world currently. Reality doesn't work like the "unoffical world champion" thread people, one cut does not make a kill. "He lost but he's still the best" lmao you can't honestly believe that. Based on what? because he won the world championship 3 months ago? Accept it - he isn't the best anymore. I don't think we can call a player the best currently even after IEM concluded - I'd say there are now just like 5 players at the top who are all the best players in the world and would probably be 50-50 against each other. Nobody has been dominant enough to be called the clear best player. Based on his recent results, obviously. Based on the past 3 biggest tournament which player has overall placed the best? Stats or Serral, there really is no other player to argue for. One championship does not make a legacy nor does one defeat mean you are no longer the best overall player. Edit: Lets say Serral goes on and win the next three tournaments, are you really going to argue that he was weak at this time. bad form? The second best player will sometimes defeat the best player, thats how starcraft works. That doesn't mean the best isn't the best anymore but of course he needs to keep winning future tournaments to prove that. Sure but the last tournament was 3 months ago. You can't claim he's the best now because he had a strong run 3 months ago. Since then he has shown little to suggest he's still superior to the other top 5 players but looking at his play he's definitely still on par with them. Yeah, 4-1 finish with quite a lot of maps lost (albeit against good players) then an exit in the ro8 indicates for me that he is still hanging with the cool kids but not the best anymore.
I don't think IEM will be sufficient to design the new best player either, GSL and/or WESG will probably give a clearer picture.
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So weird that Maru was the best to your eyes after all of his losses and a single tournament exit implies Serral is not the best anymore.
I'd say he is not the undisputed best at the moment and arguments can be made, instead. We'll have much clearer indications in the next 40 days, for now Serral probably is still the best.
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On March 03 2019 21:43 Xain0n wrote: So weird that Maru was the best to your eyes after all of his losses and a single tournament exit implies Serral is not the best anymore.
I'd say he is not the undisputed best at the moment and arguments can be made, instead. We'll have much clearer indications in the next 40 days, for now Serral probably is still the best. nobody called Maru the best after Blizzcon
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On March 03 2019 21:57 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 21:43 Xain0n wrote: So weird that Maru was the best to your eyes after all of his losses and a single tournament exit implies Serral is not the best anymore.
I'd say he is not the undisputed best at the moment and arguments can be made, instead. We'll have much clearer indications in the next 40 days, for now Serral probably is still the best. nobody called Maru the best after Blizzcon
Hah! Maybe you didn't.
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To all Serral hypers, jokes on you. Bonjwa lol. Haven't even played in Code S. He's just like Neeb that was unknown, went in and surprised everyone.
The fact that almost all foreigners get the demolished again and again in all the tournaments where Koreans are allowed to play; is empirical evidence that WCS is minor to Code S, Katowice etc.
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On March 03 2019 22:30 ProFalseIdol wrote: To all Serral hypers, jokes on you. Bonjwa lol. Haven't even played in Code S. He's just like Neeb that was unknown, went in and surprised everyone.
The fact that almost all foreigners get the demolished again and again in all the tournaments where Koreans are allowed to play; is empirical evidence that WCS is minor to Code S, Katowice etc.
Get back to your cave, hater! Serral was not unknown to anyone when he won BlizzCon since he already won GSL vs the World. He just played Starcraft so godly that not even the best koreans went close to defeat him in that tournament.
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