EPTSerral wins HomeStory Cup 18 - Page 3
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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SPcrusader
Norway99 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 26 2018 19:30 Poopi wrote: Hasn't his micro gotten worse tho? He seems still as good macro / multitask wise but his micro seemed sloppy at times in TvZ Micro wise he was better at BlizzCon where he was displaying pure mechanical perfection; here he made more mistakes (even strategically, some of his decisions weren't on point as much, i guess it's the new patch) but probably he didn't train as hard and i expect to see him back to his godlike form in the future. | ||
Poopi
France12990 Posts
On November 26 2018 19:53 Xain0n wrote: Micro wise he was better at BlizzCon where he was displaying pure mechanical perfection; here he made more mistakes (even strategically, some of his decisions weren't on point as much, i guess it's the new patch) but probably he didn't train as hard and i expect to see him back to his godlike form in the future. INno wasn't at BlizzCon 2018 | ||
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sneakyfox
8217 Posts
Now I hope he comes to Korea to participate in the GSL. Will be interesting to see if he can go toe-to-toe with the best Terrans in the world - and if he can keep up his top play in the other matchups as well. It will also be interesting to see how he performs in a Starleague where preparation in advance plays a much bigger role. His ability to adjust on-the-go is pretty terrifying, but how will he do with entirely player-specific preparation? It was another amazing HSC! Big thanks to everyone who did it. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Lol sorry i thought you were speaking of Serral xD Inno's micro was good early in the games but appeared go get way worse in bigger engagements, he used to be sharper at his prime; however, LoTV is more demanding than HoTS. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary492 Posts
On November 26 2018 19:52 Serimek wrote: Very nice recap. Maybe soO early exit is worth mentionning too. I have the feeling he is already not playing SC2 anymore or, so to say, he is retiring more and more... I am also not sure he has the fire inside him still. I'm afraid that blizzcon loss really got the better of him and finally broke him. He still made Ro4 in 2018 GSL S1 from "muscle memory" but the downhill after that point is really noticeable. | ||
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YTMadnetics
Ireland51 Posts
On November 26 2018 20:02 sneakyfox wrote: Congratulations to Serral with another win. Really impressed with how Serral adjusted during this tournament. His ZvT looked very vulnerable in the beginning, but you can almost see how he improves map by map. It's kinda hard to believe. Now I hope he comes to Korea to participate in the GSL. Will be interesting to see if he can go toe-to-toe with the best Terrans in the world - and if he can keep up his top play in the other matchups as well. It will also be interesting to see how he performs in a Starleague where preparation in advance plays a much bigger role. His ability to adjust on-the-go is pretty terrifying, but how will he do with entirely player-specific preparation? It was another amazing HSC! Big thanks to everyone who did it. 11/25/2018 Serral FI Z 4–3 T KR INnoVation 11/25/2018 Serral FI Z 3–0 T KR Bunny 11/24/2018 Serral FI Z 3–2 T KR TaeJa 11/23/2018 Serral FI Z 2–1 T KR Bunny 08/05/2018 Serral FI Z 1–0 T KR Maru 08/04/2018 Serral FI Z 3–0 T KR INnoVation As much as I'd also like to see him go to GSL, I don't think its fair to say we have to SEE if he can go toe-to-toe. I think he's proven he can, maybe not that he'll win each time, but that without a doubt, he can preform. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary492 Posts
On November 26 2018 16:53 s.a.y wrote: After watching Broodwar and SC2 for the last 15+ years, never i have seen such a dominant player. To go for so long and not to lose a single LAN match, he is beyond bonjwa status. He was best foreigner of this year for sure. Best foreigner of all time for sure. Maybe even best player of 2018,if it's him or Maru, it's arguable. But imho it is a bit early to call him bonjwa. He certainly has the talent and the possibility to become the bonjwa tough. But for that he has to win some more on korean soil ... | ||
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Hvvacha
82 Posts
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
SC2 can get better i believe, but in "entertainment wise", not "skill wise" or "esport wise" when the main scene is that restricted (not all Blizzard's fault though). | ||
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Poopi
France12990 Posts
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sneakyfox
8217 Posts
On November 26 2018 20:37 YTMadnetics wrote: 11/25/2018 Serral FI Z 4–3 T KR INnoVation 11/25/2018 Serral FI Z 3–0 T KR Bunny 11/24/2018 Serral FI Z 3–2 T KR TaeJa 11/23/2018 Serral FI Z 2–1 T KR Bunny 08/05/2018 Serral FI Z 1–0 T KR Maru 08/04/2018 Serral FI Z 3–0 T KR INnoVation As much as I'd also like to see him go to GSL, I don't think its fair to say we have to SEE if he can go toe-to-toe. I think he's proven he can, maybe not that he'll win each time, but that without a doubt, he can preform. Those are not the best Terrans though - even if they are better than the foreigner Terrans. The best are (or was) Maru and TY, and I would also put GuMiHo above the ones Serral already beat. That's not saying Serral couldn't beat them, but we will have to wait and see him actually do it. Last time he played a top terran, he didn't take a single map, but he has obviously improved since then. (And that Serral-Maru game should not be included in the list of wins, first of all because it was just a showmatch, second of all because it was just a Bo1) | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary492 Posts
On November 26 2018 21:12 ParksonVN wrote: It's a fact that no matter how many titles Serral gets from now on, he will never surpass MVP, Inno, Life, Zest or even sOs in the SC2 all time ranking. Why? Becoz the Korean scene, aka the main scene is dead, this era is by far not the highest skilled one because i don't see that in the games. When you are as talented and hard-working and live with as many advantages as Serral, it's not hard to continue the dominance compared to the top Korean. At least Serral can farm 4 ez-money WCS a year while the rest of the best players have to compete for just 3 GSLs and a super tournament. SC2 can get better i believe, but in "entertainment wise", not "skill wise" or "esport wise" when the main scene is that restricted (not all Blizzard's fault though). I disagree. Yes, the level of GSL RO32 is not really strong anymore. I must admit, i tend to skip it most of the time. But the top of the scene remained more or less from the top of HotS (most GSL,Blizzcon and SSL winners from the end) with some new stars emerging like TY, Stats and Rogue. GSL RO16 is still very very strong. We lost Life due to his matchfixing, and we lost Rain to Brood War, Taeja coming back. Other than that, who did we lose who was GSL/SSL/Blizzcon winning caliber in 2015? If we take a look at the current GSL Ro16's it's mostly stacked with mutliple GSL/SS/Blizzcon winners. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On November 26 2018 21:20 kajtarp wrote: I disagree. Yes, the level of GSL RO32 is not really strong anymore. I must admit, i tend to skip it most of the time. But the top of the scene remained more or less from the top of HotS (most GSL,Blizzcon and SSL winners from the end) with some new stars emerging like TY, Stats and Rogue. GSL RO16 is still very very strong. We lost Life due to his matchfixing, and we lost Rain to Brood War, Taeja coming back. Other than that, who did we lose who was GSL/SSL/Blizzcon winning caliber in 2015? If we take a look at the current GSL Ro16's it's mostly stacked with mutliple GSL/SS/Blizzcon winners. Inno, Zest, Dark, sOs are still there but not the beasts they were in the past. You can see Inno's micro has a lot of flaws, his macro is still good but the build execution is sloppy. He's also streaming a lot more and doing the same builds/tricks over and over. The same for most of the Koreans, they just don't have enough motivation anymore. | ||
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ZERG
Russian Federation36 Posts
tnx u TakeTV from ZERGTV <3 we will come u again! | ||
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Hvvacha
82 Posts
On November 26 2018 21:20 kajtarp wrote: I disagree. Yes, the level of GSL RO32 is not really strong anymore. I must admit, i tend to skip it most of the time. But the top of the scene remained more or less from the top of HotS (most GSL,Blizzcon and SSL winners from the end) with some new stars emerging like TY, Stats and Rogue. GSL RO16 is still very very strong. We lost Life due to his matchfixing, and we lost Rain to Brood War, Taeja coming back. Other than that, who did we lose who was GSL/SSL/Blizzcon winning caliber in 2015? If we take a look at the current GSL Ro16's it's mostly stacked with mutliple GSL/SS/Blizzcon winners. you forgot that all these gsl/ssl/blizzcon winners are far past their prime and became older, less motivated etc etc. and serral is younger than everybody + maru. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 26 2018 22:27 Hvvacha wrote: you forgot that all these gsl/ssl/blizzcon winners are far past their prime and became older, less motivated etc etc. and serral is younger than everybody + maru. Older for sure, FAR past their prime not that true, less motivated i doubt since money prizes have skyrocketed. | ||
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ubikz
69 Posts
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On November 26 2018 21:44 ParksonVN wrote: The game itself is harder now. Straight up.Inno, Zest, Dark, sOs are still there but not the beasts they were in the past. You can see Inno's micro has a lot of flaws, his macro is still good but the build execution is sloppy. He's also streaming a lot more and doing the same builds/tricks over and over. The same for most of the Koreans, they just don't have enough motivation anymore. It's difficult to stay on top of everything because the level of play has elevated and things are FAST in LotV. It is now STANDARD to micro on two fronts just to look like you belong on the same stage, but really 3-front engagements while macroing are the baseline for high-level play at the moment. When players are unable to manage all three fronts, they get called out for "sloppy" play-- in the past, just having three fronts at ALL would have made you a consistently dominant player. Some of the first-person views from Serral's Blizzcon run were absolutely crazy. At one point he was harassing the 4th, microing a drop between the main and the third (without losing any units!), while making main army vs. main army pokes, and he was coming away ahead literally every trade while this was happening. It was insanity. None of these players in their prime were on that level. The game was simpler in the past, with maps featuring more abusable terrain structure, abusable base layout/placement, etc. The game revolved around timing pushes to win not just to do damage and get ahead. Simply executing a really good push with a couple of dropships moving on the edge of the map is no longer meant as a winning move the way it was in earlier eras. | ||
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