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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
November 26 2018 07:32 GMT
#21
I am not Serral's hardcore fanboy, but even now I was considering how unbelievably perfect he is. In fact I think that he plays one of best games I've ever seen in SCII history which I follow from the very beginning back in 2010. Some of his finishing moves with the balings against Taeja and Bogus were classical NesTea best matches moves. I can't put him as a personal favorite yet because I can't just determine a specific style of Serral like Dark, Rogue or Soulkey and DRG in the past. He just plays universal orthodox zerg but seriously... such a concentration and perfection I've never seen before even for a such long time of the whole year.
I hope we see him in Code S very soon!
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Isarios
Profile Joined March 2014
United States153 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-26 07:39:06
November 26 2018 07:38 GMT
#22
Can't argue with results.

I wonder what the Koreans think of all this, and what Stats and Innovation thought.
Blahhh
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
November 26 2018 07:43 GMT
#23
Seems to be some strong polling for most dominant run in SC2.

It's hard to argue, the only comparable runs would be Life, Zest and Maru I feel - and Serral's run has simply been longer and less blemished when you look at it as a whole. 7 premiers in a year is pretty ludicrous.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 26 2018 07:47 GMT
#24
what a year for serral, the dude can walk on water
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
November 26 2018 07:53 GMT
#25
After watching Broodwar and SC2 for the last 15+ years, never i have seen such a dominant player.

To go for so long and not to lose a single LAN match, he is beyond bonjwa status.
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Brained
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany58 Posts
November 26 2018 08:07 GMT
#26
will we see serral win code s in 2019?
Hell, it´s about time
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
November 26 2018 08:21 GMT
#27
Congrats Serral, another trophy for the collection!

Can we add The Collector to his nickname list?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
November 26 2018 08:24 GMT
#28
On November 26 2018 12:14 seemsgood wrote:
Good run by Bogus. He did improve alot but the late game transition planning wasn't quite there. TY and maru would put a better macro game imo
Still baffled why did TY choose to proxy rogue in game 5


Naruto here. I do think INno will make a strong showing 2019 if the current patch stays. He was THE absolute best terran vs Zerg player during biomine meta. Obviously Zergs will get better vs it again as well but I believe in the machine.

Nice that Serral could finish strong. We had a great story no matter the outcome and we all won in that finals series. Few adjustments from both of these players and that might be a different Series
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 26 2018 08:38 GMT
#29
On November 26 2018 16:32 Veluvian wrote:
I am not Serral's hardcore fanboy, but even now I was considering how unbelievably perfect he is. In fact I think that he plays one of best games I've ever seen in SCII history which I follow from the very beginning back in 2010. Some of his finishing moves with the balings against Taeja and Bogus were classical NesTea best matches moves. I can't put him as a personal favorite yet because I can't just determine a specific style of Serral like Dark, Rogue or Soulkey and DRG in the past. He just plays universal orthodox zerg but seriously... such a concentration and perfection I've never seen before even for a such long time of the whole year.
I hope we see him in Code S very soon!

Serral is Soulkey with better innate talent, tbh.
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
November 26 2018 08:42 GMT
#30
On November 26 2018 16:43 Dave4 wrote:
Seems to be some strong polling for most dominant run in SC2.

It's hard to argue, the only comparable runs would be Life, Zest and Maru I feel - and Serral's run has simply been longer and less blemished when you look at it as a whole. 7 premiers in a year is pretty ludicrous.

Well, how long one considers Serrals dominance highly depends on when his dominance startet this year. The fact remains that WCS competition still is not as hard as GSL competition. Thus the begin of Serrals period of utter dominance only can with certainty only be GSL vs the World where he destroyed korean competition. This would contain roughly for months until now.
Maru's period of dominance began with WESG and ended with his 3rd GSL victory in septembre which contains roughly 6 months. Yeah... I still think that Maru's 3 GSL victories in a row are a more impressive feat.

Serral might be the best player right now but one has to consider that he has a big advantage against the korean players. He is profiting from the weirdly strong EU Zergplay which doesn't affect korean competition all that much which makes it hard for korean terrans and protosses to train against a style like his. But also he is not suffering the bigger vulnerability that a league system like GSL brings with itself. He simply never is confronted with a extremely good player who can prepare solely for him for an entire week or even more. This is why I still consider Maru as the player of the year.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Henulol
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland17 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-26 08:58:03
November 26 2018 08:57 GMT
#31
HSC was so frikin good!!! Thanks Take! I'm really waiting for HSC 19 and 20!!!
Take is Europe's Dana White :D

Gratz to Serral!
Pain is temporary, glory is forever
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia244 Posts
November 26 2018 09:02 GMT
#32
On November 26 2018 17:42 fronkschnonk wrote:
He simply never is confronted with a extremely good player who can prepare solely for him for an entire week or even more. This is why I still consider Maru as the player of the year.


a) every Korean at HSC said they prepared for Serral
b) thats what I want from my "best player". to say, give me a week or two to prepare )))
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33650 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-26 09:14:27
November 26 2018 09:14 GMT
#33
I don't think it's mutually exclusive to say 1) Serral's run of dominance is incredibly impressive, and 2) It's different than if he had achieved such results in a GSL environment. Both can be true at the same time
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samskribbler
Profile Joined November 2018
Sweden2 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-26 09:39:53
November 26 2018 09:39 GMT
#34
On November 26 2018 11:50 Xain0n wrote:
The average level of the players involved was very high, this one was better than majority of the HSC.

Are XIX and XX going to take place in Las Vegas?


XIX was still going to be held in Krefeld/Europe, but XX they're hoping for Vegas. I'm excited for it, I just hope it doesn't attempt to go "too big" and loses the HSC-feeling, but probably no risk
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation193 Posts
November 26 2018 09:59 GMT
#35
Let's see Serral's results in 2019 before calling him "best of the best of the best"
Remember Neeb in 2016 winning Kespa Cup and 3 WCS?

Hope Koreans will adapt
This man suffers from a bad heart, but I have plenty of medicine.
EnPo
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland411 Posts
November 26 2018 10:15 GMT
#36
On November 26 2018 18:59 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Let's see Serral's results in 2019 before calling him "best of the best of the best"
Remember Neeb in 2016 winning Kespa Cup and 3 WCS?

Hope Koreans will adapt

But how do you adapt to your opponent just playing better than you? I think that it's the best thing about Serral, its really hard for you to adapt for his playstyle, because most of the time it's just standard. Inno had a good shot with his proxies, but Serral was the one to adapt, and after putting himself to a disadvatage by playing a suboptimal opener for the last two games. Of course the run will end, but it won't be because of some adaptation, it will just be someone finding an ever higher level or Serral dropping off. This form is a monster
"Enpo has good builds and is good at executing those" -Serral 2018
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
November 26 2018 10:16 GMT
#37
On November 26 2018 17:42 fronkschnonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 16:43 Dave4 wrote:
Seems to be some strong polling for most dominant run in SC2.

It's hard to argue, the only comparable runs would be Life, Zest and Maru I feel - and Serral's run has simply been longer and less blemished when you look at it as a whole. 7 premiers in a year is pretty ludicrous.

Well, how long one considers Serrals dominance highly depends on when his dominance startet this year. The fact remains that WCS competition still is not as hard as GSL competition. Thus the begin of Serrals period of utter dominance only can with certainty only be GSL vs the World where he destroyed korean competition. This would contain roughly for months until now.
Maru's period of dominance began with WESG and ended with his 3rd GSL victory in septembre which contains roughly 6 months. Yeah... I still think that Maru's 3 GSL victories in a row are a more impressive feat.

Serral might be the best player right now but one has to consider that he has a big advantage against the korean players. He is profiting from the weirdly strong EU Zergplay which doesn't affect korean competition all that much which makes it hard for korean terrans and protosses to train against a style like his. But also he is not suffering the bigger vulnerability that a league system like GSL brings with itself. He simply never is confronted with a extremely good player who can prepare solely for him for an entire week or even more. This is why I still consider Maru as the player of the year.

Hello friend, I respect your opinion on the matter.

Even if you value WCS less than GSL I find it weird that people are willing to completely disregard it and say it doesn't matter. If he had lost those tournaments I'm sure you'd be pointing to that and saying it proved he wasn't good.

The fact is despite better players generally winning in SC2, there remains a high degree of volatility which is why players like Has or Seed or Sniper can sometimes reach a finals.

The most impressive thing about Serral to me is how ridiculously long his streak has been. It bucks any metrics on randomness in the game. Keep in mind back in the early days of SC2 people argued things like "there will never be a Bonjwa in SC2 because it is too volatile". Games can be won or lost on one single poor engagement, but Serral has mastered the game so much that he has not lost a single offline bo3 since March. It's insanity.

Sure I'll agree 3x GSL beats 3 or even 4 WCS but when you add it all up Serral is simply not losing regardless of who he is playing or where at the moment. He is clutch as heck. And the whole 'noone is preparing for him properly' thing is just rubbish to me, he has the single biggest target on his back in SC2.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
November 26 2018 10:23 GMT
#38
Best foreigner ever
Best year of SC2 player ever
Best run ever

Stylistic he is just too strong, he holds rushes, he backstabs, he macros like a boss, his army splitting and decision making is probably the best ever..

His games are simply pure joy and fun to watch.. his compositions seem to be flawless and when he loses it always seems to be because of super play by the other player of simply being caught by rush or cheese

Serral reminds me of Life but with a better macro and late game, absolutely decisive and makes some player look silly
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12990 Posts
November 26 2018 10:30 GMT
#39
On November 26 2018 17:24 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 12:14 seemsgood wrote:
Good run by Bogus. He did improve alot but the late game transition planning wasn't quite there. TY and maru would put a better macro game imo
Still baffled why did TY choose to proxy rogue in game 5


Naruto here. I do think INno will make a strong showing 2019 if the current patch stays. He was THE absolute best terran vs Zerg player during biomine meta. Obviously Zergs will get better vs it again as well but I believe in the machine.

Nice that Serral could finish strong. We had a great story no matter the outcome and we all won in that finals series. Few adjustments from both of these players and that might be a different Series

Hasn't his micro gotten worse tho?
He seems still as good macro / multitask wise but his micro seemed sloppy at times in TvZ
WriterMaru
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 26 2018 10:42 GMT
#40
Bonjwa
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