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KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
October 31 2018 23:09 GMT
#141
On November 01 2018 07:15 vyzion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 00:58 jeputera wrote:
i feel like both extremes are wrong (like its often the case in all fields):
Yes, Serral did lose some games and got beaten by maru in the beginning of the year.
Yes, he can lose and isnt unbeatable.

On the other hand:
Yes, Serral pretty much owned the WCS events.
Yes, he went on par with the best koreans: stats, dark and maru in the recent global event (GSL Super Tournament).

We can surely say that he is on the same level as the top koreans and we can say that he isnt unbeatable.
If he wins or loses at blizzcon doesnt say if he is worth or better than the top koreans. he could win it cuz he is on the same lvl. but its equally likely that he will be beaten from dark, ty, rogue or someone else.

why dont we just appreciate that we have one foreigner that is clearly on the highest skill level and have elite koreans that go par with him and maybe will beat him with good preparation?

someone with good game knowlede cant deny that serrals macro, micro and multitasking is on the same level like the top koreans. the winner of serral against dark (ty, rogue ...) will be decided through form of the day and preperation.


To much common sense here, this is clearly an emotional argument that is taking place. Don't bring logic and thought into it.


Lol! truth.


I disagree with the idea that Serral v Maru single game in the GSL v. World means anything. First, you could tell Maru was disappointed that he wasn't going to represent his own team of koreans but instead a random roster ( Whose stupid idea was it to not havve literal GSL vs. the World?) and furthermore, it wasn't even a best of 3. Aligulac puts Maru v. Serral at 65% Maru in best of 1, 71% in a best of 3, 76% in a best of 5, and 79% in a best of 7. If you were to ask me how much I would bet on something with sub-70% odds, it would not be more than 500.000 won.
Et tu Brute ?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 07:42:01
November 02 2018 07:39 GMT
#142
On October 30 2018 08:42 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 08:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.


From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ

3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup

Rooting for a Stats vs TY final

EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)

They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament.

Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens).


Yeah i know but he also played mostly lesser players then the Blizzcon ones. And i agree and disagree with you. Rogue is favor over serall and rogue will win

Recent matches matters a lot more than what happened a year back. It's like talking about Maru's style in WoL (i'm exagerating on purpose) so i wouldn't be so sure if seralls superitory.

That's if he can beat Dark :p He did beat him so maybe. But i don't see it.

And there's that part of me that want serral to win it all so region lock can gtfo
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 16:37:17
November 02 2018 16:35 GMT
#143
NVM i'm blind
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
November 02 2018 20:53 GMT
#144
On October 29 2018 23:06 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
Absolutely think Stats is going to take this


Yeah anybody who expected Maru to even take a game is silly, and I'm a major Maru fanboy. When your bag of tricks is one bag against the most unorthodox Protoss of all time you need to have more than just proxying in your back pocket. Better luck next year
Potassium Gang
Hillshtify
Profile Joined August 2018
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 14:37:21
November 03 2018 14:37 GMT
#145
My God all you Maru d*ckriders and hangers on look dumb as hell right now... Eat balls.

User was warned for this post
Hillshtify
Profile Joined August 2018
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-03 14:44:30
November 03 2018 14:42 GMT
#146
[B]
EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)
They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament.

Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens)

Yeah i know but he also played mostly lesser players then the Blizzcon ones. And i agree and disagree with you. Rogue is favor over serall and rogue will win

Recent matches matters a lot more than what happened a year back. It's like talking about Maru's style in WoL (i'm exagerating on purpose) so i wouldn't be so sure if seralls superitory.

That's if he can beat Dark :p He did beat him so maybe. But i don't see it.

And there's that part of me that want serral to win it all so region lock can gtfo



LOL! You'd think with so many statements that one would be right...too bad, try again next tourney though bud! Your whole prediction line is already trashed in the semis lol - thanks for the giggles bud.
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