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BlizzCon Bracket decided on Day 3 of the WCS Global Finals…

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leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
October 29 2018 20:07 GMT
#61
Don't underestimate Rogue's ZvZ, he's the top ZvZ player in korea besides maybe soO. If it comes to lategame ZvZ definitely the best korean ZvZ player.
Popparockz
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
October 29 2018 20:10 GMT
#62
Doesn't look like we will get the serral v Maru final I have been dreaming of. Maru will play sOs and then most likely Stats which are the people that knocked him out of GSL super tournament 2 and GSL vs the World. I favor serral over dark, rogue and TY, but ZvZ is a weird match up so we will see.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 29 2018 20:37 GMT
#63
There has been so few high level ZvZs this year in Korea, i think it s really hard to grasp who is the best korean ZvZ player
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
October 29 2018 20:45 GMT
#64
I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
October 29 2018 21:22 GMT
#65
On October 30 2018 05:10 Popparockz wrote:
Doesn't look like we will get the serral v Maru final I have been dreaming of. Maru will play sOs and then most likely Stats which are the people that knocked him out of GSL super tournament 2 and GSL vs the World. I favor serral over dark, rogue and TY, but ZvZ is a weird match up so we will see.


But Maru is clearly not playing how he normally does in both of those tournaments. He deviated from his proxy every game strat vs Stats and he definitely didn't seem to take his match vs sOs as seriously as his GSL matches. The context of the losses are more important than the losses themselves, and the context of his super tournament 2 and gsl vs the world losses point to Maru relaxing a bit and taking those games less seriously than usual.

Serral's ZvZ is incredible and I would be beyond shocked if he lost to Dark. The European scene has always been a bit of a specialist region in the ZvZ match up and Serral has managed to take firm control over it. Serral also proved himself in TvZ and ZvZ at GSL vs The World. I would not be surprised if they meet in the finals
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
October 29 2018 21:25 GMT
#66
On October 30 2018 05:45 washikie wrote:
I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though.


Except Maru's style isn't all that volatile. If it was, he wouldn't have won 3 GSLs in a row, a feat literally no player has ever accomplished before. Maru does proxy, yes, but he has managed to turn proxying into a safe, reliable opener that's hard to punish.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 29 2018 21:31 GMT
#67
On October 30 2018 06:25 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 05:45 washikie wrote:
I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though.


Except Maru's style isn't all that volatile. If it was, he wouldn't have won 3 GSLs in a row, a feat literally no player has ever accomplished before. Maru does proxy, yes, but he has managed to turn proxying into a safe, reliable opener that's hard to punish.


I believe he's referring to sOs who always has a bag of tricks
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narusensei22
Profile Joined October 2018
31 Posts
October 29 2018 21:47 GMT
#68
I think Serral beats Dark as he has advantage of practicing zvz with his EU fellowers Lambo and Nerchio, while Dark has none to practice with as Rogue has to focus on zvt vs TY.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1929 Posts
October 29 2018 21:53 GMT
#69
I hope for a TvT final. Make it happen!
Buff the siegetank
midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
October 29 2018 22:37 GMT
#70
On October 30 2018 06:53 Slydie wrote:
I hope for a TvT final. Make it happen!


After watching the signatures series with special, i am kind of like the idea of TY vs Special! It would be so much fun to watch the two good friends playing in the finals.
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
October 29 2018 22:57 GMT
#71
They basically asked the 2nd place finishers in the group what matches they wanted and gave it to them. But I don't give a stuffed animal, because it looks decent. I want SpeCial to win and Dark to completely bop Serral for revenge, but who knows?
Et tu Brute ?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 23:19:28
October 29 2018 23:12 GMT
#72
On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.


From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ

3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup

Rooting for a Stats vs TY final

EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)
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ProtoisProtois
Profile Joined October 2018
6 Posts
October 29 2018 23:41 GMT
#73
Can't wait for serral vs dark. CAN"T FKNG WAIT.

Maru > sOs 3:1 , maybe.. maybe 3:2............
Stats > Special 3:1 / 3:2 maximum.. i hope i wrong
TY > Rogue ? i think serral would rekt ty so easily, just watch the games between lambo and ty. serral could play x4 better and ty have no a little chance..
Serral > Dark 3:1
to be honest we all know that serral's macro is much better than all zergs. super stable and so smart. always scouting and also petroling with zerglings against drops.... guys you really think dark will beat serral in best of 5?. the only way i see dark win is in short games not in long macro games but even in short games he will lose.... dark is idiot, the risks he is taking vs rogue & vs solar is very bad risks. serral and dark are opposites.
will be so stressing to watch those games.. i think this serral is a bit better than the serral we know because of all the crazy practicing...dark too,,. 3:1 serral.. i won't be surprised if we will see 3:0 P..
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
October 29 2018 23:42 GMT
#74
On October 30 2018 08:12 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.


From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ

3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup

Rooting for a Stats vs TY final

EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)

They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament.

Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens).
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
ProtoisProtois
Profile Joined October 2018
6 Posts
October 29 2018 23:45 GMT
#75
* if ty will play the same he have no chance against rogue, dunno ty seems a bit bad now against top zergs...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19306 Posts
October 30 2018 00:48 GMT
#76
On October 30 2018 08:45 ProtoisProtois wrote:
* if ty will play the same he have no chance against rogue, dunno ty seems a bit bad now against top zergs...

Ty can roll Rogue if he does the bio to mech thor+liberators build that maru is so deadly with. I think Ty will 3-1 if he gets his build orders right.
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
October 30 2018 01:03 GMT
#77
I´m rooting for Serral, but Dark is a damn scary opponent, especially in a rematch after losing the first series. Sure, maybe he has no good practice conditions, but when he looks at Montreal he can study a ton on how to beat Serral in a ZvZ. For me, everything is possible here, even a 3-0 for either player.
Now that i´ve got over my disappointment of the Neeb and Showtime rematch curses, i can´t wait to see the quarterfinals. :D
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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
October 30 2018 01:39 GMT
#78
serral is gonna 3-0 dark, dark is inferior in every way.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
October 30 2018 02:05 GMT
#79
$o$ vs Serral final, and $o$ will prevail for every Blizzcon he attended.
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ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
October 30 2018 02:49 GMT
#80
On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train

Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue

Maru ? - ? Serral

Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol.

Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that.


Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year.
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