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Liquid`TaeJa: The Prince Returns

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Liquid`TaeJa: The Prince Returns

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September 24th, 2018 13:07 GMT
By CosmicSpiral







For those of you who kept the candle burning, congratulations. Your faith proved true in the end. After an excruciating break, the Crown Prince will indeed be returning to Team Liquid.

For the skeptics out there, this comes as no surprise. Quitting in this profession is usually as permanent as the deaths of comic book characters. Of course we regret watching our favorite characters depart to the afterlife; it is customary to grieve, offer well-wishes, reminisce, and ultimately accept their departure. Yet no one dies in comic books except Uncle Ben. TaeJa was finished in the same manner as Jason Todd, Bucky Barnes, Multiple Man, Bruce Banner and every “deceased” character stretching back to Batman’s pistol-wielding days. He was simply waiting in stasis, biding his time until the new story arc began. Players who relinquish their spot in the field inevitably return as something else. They don a new costume for a new team, kick start a rebranding narrative involving a role switch (the most common one being the “coach repentance arc”), or leave the moment of unmasking for a shocking out of left field reveal.

TaeJa’s retirement was accompanied by an atypically somber mood. The sendoff was as grateful and heartfelt as every other epilogue to a player’s career. The sole difference was a lack of that niggling doubt. It felt like an irrevocable swan song. It felt final in a different way than when other great players had quit. It wasn’t a transition into the next stage, but a moratorium on the only avenue TaeJa had into SC2.


The hints had been accumulating for years. In the past they were the subject of in-house jokes and memes, reminding us TaeJa could be unwieldy and goofy as the rest of us mortals. He suffered from bouts of flagging motivation which turned into mock threats of retirement. Every tournament was going to be the last one. If only he wasn’t so darn good. Lack of practice was an easily surmountable obstacle for someone with his talent. Skill alone could carry the day. Hell, it worked for an entire tournament. Once upon a time the wrist soreness was accepted as a minor point of pride. It showed how dedicated he was to the craft in-between the periods of weariness.

Until the intermittent complaints about his wrists became chronic...which revealed themselves to be debilitating. Previous peaks and troughs of enthusiasm dwindled to troughs. He was forbidden from participating in overseas tournaments, where he had earned his fame, and had to grind it out in the sole tournament he had never conquered. Every blow was reflected in TaeJa’s results. By the time he said farewell, he was just another good player in the GSL. Not fantastic, not great, just good. It belied just how spectacular TaeJa had been at his peak.




When Nazgul first announced TaeJa’s signing he said it felt like Liquid’s “biggest acquisition in history”. Over the four years TaeJa played for Team Liquid, he validated that confidence over and over and over. He was undoubtedly the shining star of the roster. During that time span he won 11 premier tournaments and finished in the top 4 of 13 more. He made DreamHack Open his personal playground, terrorized all the tourists attending HomeStory Cup, and generated enough tears to save the Dead Sea for another century. His supernatural consistency served as a bulwark against turbulence for the team. He carried the banner during the times HerO battled with his own demons; he protected the battlements whenever Snute needed time to master the ever-shifting meta.

He spearhead and last line of defense when Liquid played in team leagues. Back before the concept decayed into irrelevance, he was one of the best players in the all-kill format. Outside of Proleague—the bane of many great players—TaeJa remained as composed and fearsome as a typical showing at Jönköping. Innumerable examples exist but his legendary run in IPL TAC 3 stands head and shoulders above the rest. All-killing Prime alone was impressive considering their intact reputation at the time. Almost single-handedly defeating Incredible Miracle—the undisputed kings—twice in the grand finals thrust him into the limelight.



Example 2,492 of TaeJa carrying us.



To watch TaeJa evoked admiration and slight puzzlement. His playstyle was distinguished by a lack of panache incommensurate with his success. From his days slaughtering scrubs in the ESV TV Korean Weekly to the bitter end, TaeJa never possessed a sole feature that outshone the rest of his repertoire. He had few to zero technical all-ins. His micro rarely dazzled us in the way Maru or Polt could dance their marines. His macro was top-tier, but the same could be said for Innovation or ForGG. He never pioneered builds the way Mvp revolutionized TvZ and TvT. He almost never took the monumental risks that characterized some of his contemporaries. Why would he need to? He was simply good at...everything (except maybe mech).



The famous battle on Newkirk Precinct.



The typical TaeJa victory demonstrated his uncanny ability to make better decisions second to second, minute to minute over the course of an entire game. To watch him at his apex was like witnessing a sand castle besieged at high tide. Anyone could predict the incoming surf. Barely anyone could shield such a frail structure from it. Among the great players from that era, only TaeJa could nonchalantly walk over foes with so little apparent effort. He was the best StarCraft player Team Liquid has ever boasted, and perhaps the best individual player in the team's history.



One of his several series wins over Life on the DreamHack circuit.



The cynic in me chides against indulging in nostalgia. Every successful player’s career is like catching lightning in a bottle and despite TaeJa’s lack of gimmicks, he faces a grueling road upon his return. Every factor conspires against him. He’s been gone for 2 years for a punishing game where professionals noticeably degrade after a few weeks off; unless Jesus has blessed him in the interim, he’ll still have the same wrist impediments. And if he does shake off the rust, relearn the new baseline for LotV and grit his teeth through the pain, TaeJa still must best his bête noire. Despite plain sailing in international waters, the inability to win a GSL championship leaves a blot on his legacy. It will only be reinforced every time he appears onstage. On the other hand, it provides an obvious redemption arc for his return.

The idealist in me still believes in magic. TaeJa is neither feckless nor amenable to popular whim. If he wanted to wash his hands clean of SC2, he would’ve stuck to his decision to leave. He had plenty of reasons to question whether he could reestablish himself in a new era. Those doubts still linger, waiting to be addressed. Yet doubts were omnipresent when he first threw on the jersey too. TaeJa, serious and driven underneath his unassuming demeanor, defied them during his first run on the team.

I expect our expectations to be shattered again.



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Two years ago, I watched TaeJa play his last game in the GSL. When we announced soon after that he was retiring, it really felt like we were saying goodbye to a part of Team Liquid's identity, especially because of what he meant to the team and to me personally. Even though all SC2 fans knew that TaeJa left something unfinished in his career, between wrist problems and his cool indifference, it was difficult to tell what he would do after his military service. Still, there was lingering hope that he would come back one day.

21 months after leaving pro scene, TaeJa announced that he was about to be discharged. Two years away from the game is a very long time, but TaeJa has always been something special. We asked him if he had plans to come back and compete, and in his typically nonchalant way, he simply told us yes.

Today, Liquid`TaeJa makes his return. We are incredibly proud to have our most decorated individual player back on the team, and we're excited to see how his experiences over the past two years have helped him grow as a person and a player.

TaeJa has always been a special competitor, and I think I speak for all of his fans when I say that we expect a lot from his return. TaeJa is one of the real geniuses of the game, and that's something that doesn't go away after two years. It might take him a while to get back to his previous level, but I know that it's only a matter of time before we all get to watch TaeJa back in the GSL, and perhaps even more. In our chats, he told me that he could win GSL if he practices hard, and I believe him. No mustache, beard, or eyepatch necessary.

Hopefully, we won't have to wait till next summer. Welcome back, TaeJa.

- Victor "Nazgul" Goossens




Hello I'm TaeJa and I am honored to rejoin Team Liquid, the world's best team. I will work hard to show my old skills again. I plan on streaming frequently, so please take a look.

Thank you to all the fans that have greeted me on my return.

- Liquid`TaeJa


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stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
September 24 2018 13:09 GMT
#2
Ah, so Liquid once more. Nice
Divain
Profile Joined November 2014
France17 Posts
September 24 2018 13:15 GMT
#3
Unbelievable...
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
September 24 2018 13:24 GMT
#4
:OO
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
September 24 2018 13:26 GMT
#5
I am sooooo happy <3
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DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
September 24 2018 13:27 GMT
#6
So much hype. This is the guy who taught us all back in wol how to play terran proper. Inno b4 inno. Grim reaper of observers. <3 taeja so hyped to see if he can get back in form.
Where will he be streaming?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 24 2018 13:28 GMT
#7
Nice, hopefully he returns to the next HSC
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THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada116 Posts
September 24 2018 13:30 GMT
#8
Fun Fact: he's got a perfect record vs maru in offline tournaments
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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
September 24 2018 13:34 GMT
#9
This is awesome, watching him play is so much fun. Can't wait to watch him kill it in tournies soon
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CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3381 Posts
September 24 2018 13:35 GMT
#10
awesome, waiting for him at HSC!
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 24 2018 13:52 GMT
#11
Gotta change my favorite team from SKT1 to TL again! Cannot believe he's back!
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 24 2018 13:56 GMT
#12
Is he playing WCS or GSL?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 24 2018 13:57 GMT
#13
Niiice. I wonder how his wrists are after the 2 years of not playing?
MarthTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany387 Posts
September 24 2018 14:00 GMT
#14
:O
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imCHIEN
Profile Joined January 2016
14 Posts
September 24 2018 14:02 GMT
#15
I was a Toss before until I saw MVP then Taeja put some magic into Terran. It has been 2 years since he left pro-scene. Feel so old right now. Go Teaja. Make your fans proud again.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 24 2018 14:05 GMT
#16
Nice, good luck.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
September 24 2018 14:06 GMT
#17
this makes me so happy
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Last Edited: 2018-09-24 14:10:41
September 24 2018 14:07 GMT
#18
I haven't felt this happy in a while. I'm so glad to see TaeJa joining the Liquid family again. Let's go TaeJa! 2019 is your year! GSL champion + BlizzCon champion baby!
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Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 14:09:00
September 24 2018 14:08 GMT
#19
I love it! One of my favorite players, and I'm usually a fan of zergs.

The years of TaeJa are upon us again. Now we'll have to see how he does after a long hiatus.

Very cool that he went back to TL.
Liquid`JunoTheCat
Profile Joined December 2014
Netherlands79 Posts
September 24 2018 14:09 GMT
#20
Yes! So happy finally to announce -- welcome back, TaeJa!!
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 24 2018 14:18 GMT
#21
Good stuff. Good luck Taeja!
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
September 24 2018 14:20 GMT
#22
nice, welcome back based god! will be interesting with the off season approaching to see how good he will emerge in the first gsl of next year

THERIDDLER wrote:
Fun Fact: he's got a perfect record vs maru in offline tournaments


yeah, he won all 3 games they played in 2012 :D
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Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
September 24 2018 14:22 GMT
#23
HYPE!. Also relevant:

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Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
September 24 2018 14:23 GMT
#24
I'm speechless.

Not only because one of the greatest minds of Terran is now back on the proper team. Even more because of the signal that comes from TL by signing TaeJa again.

"We're here to stay and we value SC2"

Thanks. SC2 will be more exciting than ever before, and I'm considering the excitement already at peak levels.
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
September 24 2018 14:24 GMT
#25
Welcome back. One of my inspirations for continuing Terran
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 24 2018 14:24 GMT
#26
Epic! Man it feels good to be a sc2 fan these days. Welcome back Taeja and I kinda feel like saying welcome back Team Liquid!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 24 2018 14:29 GMT
#27
He's probably already better than any foreign terran. Shame he can't play in wcs anymore
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Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
September 24 2018 14:30 GMT
#28
Great to have Taeja back! Reminds me of good old times
CaptainBurnTurn
Profile Joined February 2018
United States80 Posts
September 24 2018 14:33 GMT
#29
Barely didn't qualify for this last GSL, I hope that he can make it. Welcome back Taeja!
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Denmark1209 Posts
September 24 2018 14:34 GMT
#30
Eeexcellent!

Welcome back Taeja! \0/
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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 24 2018 14:36 GMT
#31
Welcome back.
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Italy12246 Posts
September 24 2018 14:39 GMT
#32
Wooooooooo welcome back!
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Profile Joined September 2018
1 Post
September 24 2018 14:40 GMT
#33
brace yourself, Summer is comming . . .
Nakajin
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Canada8989 Posts
September 24 2018 14:42 GMT
#34
The prodigal son return!!!!!!!!
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September 24 2018 14:43 GMT
#35
awesome newss!!
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United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 24 2018 14:47 GMT
#36
On September 24 2018 23:40 D0nC4rlit0 wrote:
brace yourself, Summer is comming . . .

Summer is quite far away
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
September 24 2018 14:50 GMT
#37
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?

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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 24 2018 14:53 GMT
#38
More old players returning!
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SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
September 24 2018 14:54 GMT
#39
So awesome :O ! WB Teaja :D !!!! So glad that we will see him play more !
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 24 2018 14:57 GMT
#40
Ah that video made me miss Apollo, the best SC2 caster ever.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 24 2018 15:07 GMT
#41
This brings me great joy T_T

He's one of the top players that I'd really like to see win a GSL and can definitely give Maru a run for his money if he gets back into shape. He's one of the best ever when it comes to crisis management and reactionary defensive play.

That IPL TAC3 finals performance is the definitive example of Taeja. It wasn't like IM was choking in yet another team league as they were prone to do, no, they were living up to their potential and dominating hard. The score doesn't do it justice, so many of those with Taeja were nailbiters where he just kept hanging on. Even the game where he finally fell to Seed (who had just become a GSL champ) was an epic macro TvP that went back and forth numerous times.

I don't think it's an exaggeration at all to say Taeja single-handedly saved that tournament given the poor production, immense downtime between games, and how much of a quick blowout it would've been if he wasn't there. A prime example of how good WoL could be.
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden176 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 15:29:49
September 24 2018 15:16 GMT
#42
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?



But tiger won last night 😱
Mario lemieux came back after 3 years and insanely good
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
September 24 2018 15:20 GMT
#43
The only time I will ever be caught dead saying the following:

TTTEEEERRRRRRAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 15:28:28
September 24 2018 15:21 GMT
#44
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?



Michael Jordan came back and gave Chicago Bulls another 3 chips.

Hell even Floyd Mayweather is still killing it after his 2 year of retirement.
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Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
September 24 2018 15:22 GMT
#45
If he can compete in WCS circuit next year, he might be able to really give serral a run for his money
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 24 2018 15:24 GMT
#46
Finally the news is out. Welcome back, TaeJa! I hope for a summer full of ripe championships.
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Orlok
Profile Joined June 2014
Korea (South)227 Posts
September 24 2018 15:30 GMT
#47
Man, I love that Taeja has rejoined Liquid, but at the same time it reminds me of HerO.
Not to start any drama, but I onced asked on his stream (obviously after he retired) why he didn't simply just retire on Liquid. He then said he asked to rejoin, but Liquid declined (for reasons I think are fairly obvious). While I can get the pragmatic side of the rejection, it hurt a little to know that Liquid wouldn't stretch their hand out and give a fairwell to one of their other storied korean players.
I'm pretty sure HerO himself isn't too sour about it, but what with Snute not getting anything on the site it kinda makes me feel a little sad that no one except Taeja ever seemed to have been given time on TL.
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Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
September 24 2018 15:36 GMT
#48
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?


What about Flash
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
September 24 2018 15:46 GMT
#49
On September 25 2018 00:36 Toua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?


What about Flash

Flash is called God for a reason
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 24 2018 15:49 GMT
#50
On September 25 2018 00:46 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2018 00:36 Toua wrote:
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?


What about Flash

Flash is called God for a reason

What about literally any BW high profile ex pro who competes only with other fulltime streamers :O

Gz to Liquid for signing another high profile player keeping sc2 alive!
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
September 24 2018 15:49 GMT
#51
Welcome back Taeja! Omg what a great way to start my Monday
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
September 24 2018 15:53 GMT
#52
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?


He's still young though so I think it's not unlikely he can become a championship contender again.
Most of the time when someone takes a break they're at an age where their performance would decline anyways regardless of the break they took.
The more important question is imo if his wrists will start hurting again.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 24 2018 15:57 GMT
#53
the GOAT
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 24 2018 15:58 GMT
#54
On September 25 2018 00:21 SamirDuran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2018 23:50 MockHamill wrote:
Taeja was really good but has anyone ever come back to the highest level in any sport after 2 years absence?

When Björn Borg got back into tennis he was not even top 100 anymore.
Tiger Woods is still good but nothing like his old self.
Stephano is just a shadow of his old self.

I am trying to think of any sport were someone come back to the same level after 2 years. Is it even possible?



Michael Jordan came back and gave Chicago Bulls another 3 chips.

Hell even Floyd Mayweather is still killing it after his 2 year of retirement.

Taeja is still younger than the majority GSL players as well.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
The Taxman
Profile Joined July 2018
37 Posts
September 24 2018 15:59 GMT
#55
Amazing news indeed!
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10063 Posts
September 24 2018 16:00 GMT
#56
yay!
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
September 24 2018 16:00 GMT
#57
On September 24 2018 22:27 DomeGetta wrote:
So much hype. This is the guy who taught us all back in wol how to play terran proper. Inno b4 inno. Grim reaper of observers. <3 taeja so hyped to see if he can get back in form.
Where will he be streaming?


I think you're thinking of Mvp.
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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
September 24 2018 16:01 GMT
#58
Orlok wrote:
Man, I love that Taeja has rejoined Liquid, but at the same time it reminds me of HerO.
Not to start any drama, but I onced asked on his stream (obviously after he retired) why he didn't simply just retire on Liquid. He then said he asked to rejoin, but Liquid declined (for reasons I think are fairly obvious). While I can get the pragmatic side of the rejection, it hurt a little to know that Liquid wouldn't stretch their hand out and give a fairwell to one of their other storied korean players.
I'm pretty sure HerO himself isn't too sour about it, but what with Snute not getting anything on the site it kinda makes me feel a little sad that no one except Taeja ever seemed to have been given time on TL.


yeah i feel ya on that. kinda reminds me of when after EG changed ownership and disbanded the SC2 squad there was no recognition given to the guys that literally built the brand. As far as Snute's retirement maybe they haven't finalized the details for a press release yet.

Still, I look forward to seeing Taeja's games. I hope he will establish enough of a presence to earn a new nickname too, "Crown Prince" just doesn't have the same ring to it now that the other prince, modern-day Maru, has ascended.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 24 2018 16:07 GMT
#59
Fuck yes.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 24 2018 16:08 GMT
#60
On September 25 2018 00:30 Orlok wrote:
Man, I love that Taeja has rejoined Liquid, but at the same time it reminds me of HerO.
Not to start any drama, but I onced asked on his stream (obviously after he retired) why he didn't simply just retire on Liquid. He then said he asked to rejoin, but Liquid declined (for reasons I think are fairly obvious). While I can get the pragmatic side of the rejection, it hurt a little to know that Liquid wouldn't stretch their hand out and give a fairwell to one of their other storied korean players.
I'm pretty sure HerO himself isn't too sour about it, but what with Snute not getting anything on the site it kinda makes me feel a little sad that no one except Taeja ever seemed to have been given time on TL.


i won't comment on the hero stuff, but we're still talking to snute to see what his final decision is going to be. we are preparing something, of course.
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Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
September 24 2018 16:33 GMT
#61
This is so hype! Welcome back TaeJa! Looking forward to 2019 :D
RoflStomped
Profile Joined July 2017
Iceland21 Posts
September 24 2018 16:35 GMT
#62
This news brought a tear to my eye.
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
September 24 2018 16:36 GMT
#63
he should come back as protoss Kappa.
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
Komodo
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico89 Posts
September 24 2018 16:39 GMT
#64
Great! Rooting for Teamliquid again!
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
September 24 2018 16:43 GMT
#65
My best memories of watching SC2 were TaeJa in the ESV with Orb casting. Glad to see at least one part of that has returned.

Welcome back TaeJa
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
September 24 2018 17:05 GMT
#66
On September 24 2018 23:57 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Ah that video made me miss Apollo, the best SC2 caster ever.

And Life
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Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
September 24 2018 17:08 GMT
#67
My all time favorite player! So glad he is back.
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tekrebel
Profile Joined June 2012
56 Posts
September 24 2018 17:09 GMT
#68
Awwww man... we gotta wait a few months till we get to see Summer of Taeja again
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
September 24 2018 17:13 GMT
#69
TAEEJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 24 2018 17:13 GMT
#70
On September 25 2018 02:09 tekrebel wrote:
Awwww man... we gotta wait a few months till we get to see Summer of Taeja again

Don't worry, with climate change growing ever stronger soon the Summer of TaeJa will never end again.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
September 24 2018 17:24 GMT
#71
Glad to see such a skilled player back in business.
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
September 24 2018 17:35 GMT
#72
Well we got one of the greats back in the scene again, that's good. Hopefully he can rise to the top sooner than later.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 24 2018 17:37 GMT
#73
--- Nuked ---
slit
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain212 Posts
September 24 2018 17:37 GMT
#74
TaeJa! Gotta love the man.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
September 24 2018 17:40 GMT
#75
I'm hyped to see him in tourneys again
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 24 2018 18:06 GMT
#76
I'm so happy right now. SC seems fun again
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
GrimscII
Profile Joined August 2016
28 Posts
September 24 2018 18:08 GMT
#77
Just Awesome !! Congratz
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
September 24 2018 18:09 GMT
#78
OMG!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 18:18:59
September 24 2018 18:18 GMT
#79
If he beats some foreigners and wins the next HSC it'll be like we never left 2013
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Non0
Profile Joined April 2010
United States100 Posts
September 24 2018 18:33 GMT
#80
♥♥♥ TaeJa. Great to see him trying again.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
September 24 2018 18:38 GMT
#81
On September 25 2018 03:06 Noonius wrote:
I'm so happy right now. SC seems fun again

The terran we can all get behind is back, great news indeed.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 24 2018 18:45 GMT
#82
Awwwww yisssss! Welcome back TaeJa, you have been missed!
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ToXavieR
Profile Joined April 2017
Cuba19 Posts
September 24 2018 19:00 GMT
#83
This are really good news! my favorite SC2 Terran back to the action! Welcome back Taeja!
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heqat
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland96 Posts
September 24 2018 19:06 GMT
#84
Wow great news! Welcome back ! Can't wait to see him play !
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary387 Posts
September 24 2018 19:14 GMT
#85
HO LE FUK
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
September 24 2018 19:27 GMT
#86
Looking forward to see his games, I don't expect a championship but since Marus only "vulnerable" matchup is TvT he is one of few that could topple him
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Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
September 24 2018 19:36 GMT
#87
I waited years for this, I've never experienced anything in sport like cheering for Taeja and watching him triumph... WELCOME BACK TAEJA!
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 24 2018 19:50 GMT
#88
Welcome back Taeja!!
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
September 24 2018 19:59 GMT
#89
neat
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
September 24 2018 20:12 GMT
#90
One of my random favorite sc2 moments, which I can't for the life of me remember well enough to find the vod of, is a tvt taeja played in one of the homestory cups he dominated. There's a few terran pros casting it, and they are cracking up over how both players are doing exactly identical builds and yet taeja is just ahead in every way just minutes into the game. It was a silly joke that all taejas units just mined/built/attacked faster but also very much real that he seemed effortlessly better throughout that tourney.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 24 2018 20:15 GMT
#91
We are incredibly hyped about this. I'm so glad that we got this opportunity to show our commitment to SC2 and the players who played such an important role in getting Team Liquid where it is today. Thanks for all the support everyone!
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany459 Posts
September 24 2018 20:16 GMT
#92
My favourite player of all time! So happy, this really makes my day. What am i saying? This makes my week, at least
Man, now i´m excited for summer ´19.
Welcome back, Taeja! So good to see you back.
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
September 24 2018 20:44 GMT
#93
I already was excited about Taeja competing again but it's really cool to see that he really means it again
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4913 Posts
September 24 2018 20:48 GMT
#94
Wow an old schooler coming back! really nice!

Also those clips were pure nostalgia
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-24 20:51:57
September 24 2018 20:50 GMT
#95
On September 24 2018 23:47 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2018 23:40 D0nC4rlit0 wrote:
brace yourself, Summer is comming . . .

Summer is quite far away


IT'S NEVER NOT SUMMER WHEN TAEJA IS PLAYING, SUMMER LASTS UNTIL FOREVER.**

*+ Show Spoiler +

ACTUALLY IT LASTS UNTIL TAEJA SAYS SO.
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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
September 24 2018 21:13 GMT
#96
God, I remember that Blizzcon series vs Life, and as a terran player, that loss hurt, especially after he dismantled the then best Zerg in the world, soO, in epic macro games
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
September 24 2018 21:14 GMT
#97
Favorite Taeja memories:

When he SSSTOMPED innovation in newkirk in one of teh greatest games of all time

Carrying TL in the team leagues

Winning

Being ranked really high in every power rank (liquid bias lol) but nobody was really mad about it

So awesome to see him come back. The Liquid approach was always to pick players and stick with them over time helping them develop and grow. Think it worked out better than EG approach of poaching champions. Hero and Taeja were phenomenal pickups. Zenio not so much, but he did trigger idra easily and effortlessly and BM him a bunch of times, so that was cool
Brained
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany58 Posts
September 24 2018 21:16 GMT
#98
the hype is real. he is competing again for real. so happy
Hell, it´s about time
Matroid_Prime
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada59 Posts
September 24 2018 21:36 GMT
#99
Welcome back Taeja, you have been missed!
Lifelong fan of Starcraft
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
September 24 2018 21:39 GMT
#100
So hyped! Welcome back Taeja! :D
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
September 24 2018 21:53 GMT
#101
Great news!
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 24 2018 23:17 GMT
#102
Good player
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16065 Posts
September 24 2018 23:35 GMT
#103
I'm genuinely curious about what Taeja is gonna look like now. He has some rust to shake off, but the level of competition has gotten significantly higher since he was dominating the foreign scene.

I'd estimate he's probably Ro16 material at best in Code S.

Then again he could come back sharper than ever.

It's exciting.
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Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
September 24 2018 23:37 GMT
#104
WEEELCOME BACK TaeJa!
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quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
September 24 2018 23:38 GMT
#105
Yes. Yes. So much yes!

I've waited for this news ever since Taeja is discharged from the military. So happy he's back with Team Liquid now.
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Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
September 25 2018 00:58 GMT
#106
Hyped! Good luck and good to see him back!
I have a question...
Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 01:07:20
September 25 2018 01:02 GMT
#107
Back to finally claim that ever illustrious yet elusive GSL Championship Trophy! I still remember that season where absolutely NO ONE wanted to be in a group with him!

TL Taeja FIGHTING!

ps: Now I have a very good reason to bring out my original TL Jersey and rep with pride again.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
September 25 2018 01:35 GMT
#108
yeah boi !!!!!!!! this is awesome !
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
September 25 2018 02:08 GMT
#109
This might sound weird, but as a super TaeJa fan I'm actually a little sad about this. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but nobody who returned to SC2 after an extended hiatus ever reached the same heights as they did before they left. I want my memory of TaeJa to be the titan that he was before retiring.

Selfish thoughts aside, it's hard to complain about more Korean talent in the scene and I sincerely hope he does well. With Snute retiring, my list of people to root for was looking pretty thin, but now I can add one to the list!
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
September 25 2018 02:36 GMT
#110
THE CHAMP IS HERE! Cannot wait to watch his stream once again. Man, this is as great a day as I could ask for.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
September 25 2018 02:51 GMT
#111
Yay one of the original legends returns. Hope he reaches the same heights he was able to in the past!
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
September 25 2018 02:51 GMT
#112
my goodness!
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
TrueStorm
Profile Joined December 2017
29 Posts
September 25 2018 03:13 GMT
#113
Formerly one of the best players in Starcraft history.
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
September 25 2018 04:55 GMT
#114
Good new!
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1195 Posts
September 25 2018 05:55 GMT
#115
Welcome back, TaeJa!
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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
September 25 2018 06:18 GMT
#116
alive gaem
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
September 25 2018 06:20 GMT
#117
On September 25 2018 15:18 Za7oX wrote:
alive gaem


Alive Taeja
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 06:41:44
September 25 2018 06:39 GMT
#118
Excited to see the worlds greatest team league player back in action.

On September 25 2018 08:35 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'm genuinely curious about what Taeja is gonna look like now. He has some rust to shake off, but the level of competition has gotten significantly higher since he was dominating the foreign scene.

I'd estimate he's probably Ro16 material at best in Code S.

Then again he could come back sharper than ever.

It's exciting.


I guess you missed him failing to qualify for the last GSL and ST.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
September 25 2018 07:13 GMT
#119
No way! that's awesome!
finally some competition for serral... haha

Victory clap incoming!
jarodtou
Profile Joined July 2016
167 Posts
September 25 2018 07:24 GMT
#120
glad that he is back, one of my favourite terrans all time. also, hope he can do well in GSL, I feel like he always lacked korean soil results, whereas he dominated all other tourneys (a bit simillar to TY in that regard - never won in Korea).
Hope to see good games, to steal nice builds and ofc, to see you on the top again!
atchosvk
Profile Joined April 2018
55 Posts
September 25 2018 07:39 GMT
#121
That is an interesting news, however I would not praise him too much as I am a bit concerned that it is going to be a "MMA return" like... Taeja may not even ever catch up on new meta (+ intensive macro/micro). If I remember well in the past his macro was absolutely not the best at all and it was a totally different game. He was also dominating a weaker Western scene at that time..
Hopefully we can see more of him and he will achieve good results, best of luck!

fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
September 25 2018 07:56 GMT
#122
On September 25 2018 16:39 atchosvk wrote:
That is an interesting news, however I would not praise him too much as I am a bit concerned that it is going to be a "MMA return" like... Taeja may not even ever catch up on new meta (+ intensive macro/micro). If I remember well in the past his macro was absolutely not the best at all and it was a totally different game. He was also dominating a weaker Western scene at that time..
Hopefully we can see more of him and he will achieve good results, best of luck!


We'll see. His few games so far looked ok considering that he's just coming back. He already managed to take a map of soO and beat Cure in Crank's Teamleague. So I'm quite confident to say that he'll be at least a mid-tier codeS-Player soon skillwise. Considering that next GSL isn't soon at all, he might be even better then.
Also he wasn't dominating a weaker western scene back then. Most of his tournament wins were achieved against a field of top Koreans.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
September 25 2018 08:00 GMT
#123
On September 25 2018 16:39 atchosvk wrote:
That is an interesting news, however I would not praise him too much as I am a bit concerned that it is going to be a "MMA return" like... Taeja may not even ever catch up on new meta (+ intensive macro/micro). If I remember well in the past his macro was absolutely not the best at all and it was a totally different game. He was also dominating a weaker Western scene at that time..
Hopefully we can see more of him and he will achieve good results, best of luck!



Hmm GSL top 8 was a weaker western scene? And that was his planned last tournament.
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
September 25 2018 08:21 GMT
#124
I am pretty sure the military training gave him stronger wrists. So if he can properly train and find the motivation to practice hard, we will see taeja up in the circuit.
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
September 25 2018 08:48 GMT
#125
Awesome to see Taeja return. Hope to see him crush nerds in GSL next year, but upcoming events like HSC and online leagues will help everyone get a gauge to see how well he'll do in the new meta.

It's great to see influential past Korean Terrans returning like MMA, Fantasy, and now Taeja.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 25 2018 08:48 GMT
#126
I'd pay for a stream.
Zest fanboy.
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
September 25 2018 09:19 GMT
#127
great news
Asturas
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland587 Posts
September 25 2018 10:16 GMT
#128
I am so happy! Can't wait to see him compete again. And stream!
There are no boundaries, that's the final conclusion.
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
September 25 2018 12:15 GMT
#129
Long live TL StarCraft :D
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
September 25 2018 13:04 GMT
#130
Awesome news!! It'll be fun when he starts streaming again
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
September 25 2018 14:09 GMT
#131
Taeja is back! :D
I really hope he can reach the same heights as before and even clinch the GSL this time
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DubiousC2
Profile Joined June 2016
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-25 15:17:11
September 25 2018 15:14 GMT
#132
This..this is unreal. With the demise of proleague 2 years ago, we heard so many false prophets announcing the death of SC2, yet in 2018 SC2 still standing strong. Korean players finding teams and the likes of TaeJa and FantaSy returning accentuates it the most.

Welcome back, TaeJa!
Manner MULE /dance
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
September 25 2018 15:24 GMT
#133
ugh i hated taeja cause he always killed my favorite players (z)...i hope he comes back as strong as ever though!
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3422 Posts
September 25 2018 15:55 GMT
#134
More positive news, awesome
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
September 25 2018 16:01 GMT
#135
Beautiful thing to see. Lets see this man pull a Tiger Woods on the WCS Circuit next year!
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
September 25 2018 16:40 GMT
#136
The feels are real
KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
September 25 2018 16:48 GMT
#137
Welcome back my dear TaeJa.
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
September 25 2018 20:16 GMT
#138
Great news considering we have so few good Terrans these days but I do wonder how good he can actually get to. After all there have been not a single player who regained form after military service, guess we'll see.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 25 2018 21:01 GMT
#139
choo choo
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 25 2018 21:02 GMT
#140
I hope he is invited to the next HSC
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 25 2018 21:27 GMT
#141
Jesus, what a great piece of news! Welcome back, TaeJa!
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 25 2018 23:50 GMT
#142
What a shining beacon of hope this gives us, for some reason this whole partnership and endeavor feels to me like something that goes well beyond the game, like it truly matters.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
youcantguardme
Profile Joined September 2018
1 Post
September 26 2018 07:58 GMT
#143
calling it now, he won't win shit.

User was temp banned for this post.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands677 Posts
September 26 2018 08:07 GMT
#144
Also kudos to TL! They must be offering the very best environment/support if players decide to come back after a 2-year hiatus.
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
September 26 2018 09:08 GMT
#145
Whoa. This is big, I'm hyped
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2519 Posts
September 26 2018 11:31 GMT
#146
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?

dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
September 26 2018 11:51 GMT
#147
Damn. It's gonna be tough for him. Hope that he has enough strength and will.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 26 2018 13:45 GMT
#148
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
September 26 2018 15:14 GMT
#149
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Until now very few players came back after a serious hiatus at all. And many of them just quite recently. I think Stephano might be the most promising player to achieve such a feat, considering that he became a serious contender this year again and just needs to fix his zvz to get really dangerous.
Parting also looks quite promising. He just needs time and has to take the competition serious - I'm not quite sure about that ^^
Fantasy is making good progress, too. But considering that he's never really breaken throug in SC2 he'd have to climb to new heights, to win somethin.
We can't say very much about Taeja so far. He didn't look like garbage so far but we didn't have enough examples yet. Perhaps we'll know more after HSC if he gets invited.

Other examples like MMA, Genius, Ragnarok or TOP don't look like they're getting back into the game.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 26 2018 17:16 GMT
#150
On September 26 2018 16:58 youcantguardme wrote:
calling it now, he won't win shit.

User was temp banned for this post.


Nonsense he'll win our hearts. If a semi-retired Taeja can do this:



he can at least accomplish that
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 26 2018 18:57 GMT
#151
welcome back taeja! i'm personally not a big fan of him or his race, but it's hard not to be positive about someone of his stature returning to our game. here's to celebrating what we have in sc2 rather than shitting on what we don't have.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
September 26 2018 23:02 GMT
#152
Do you think he has gained the strenght and experience to open a champagne bottle now?
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Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
September 27 2018 03:30 GMT
#153
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
September 27 2018 04:42 GMT
#154
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Byun dropped off the face of the Earth for 2 years, came back, and won GSL and Blizzcon.
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
September 27 2018 05:56 GMT
#155
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Forgive my lack of knowledge about other games, but wouldn't it be easier to return to a MOBA than SC2? Aren't the mechanics and especially requirements for speed higher for SC2 since you constantly have to manage multiple bases, armies, support units etc? I haven't played LoL, but from some streams it looks more about micro management, positioning, tactics and accuracy, while in SC2 things happen quicker and you have to change camera location all the time. You also have to manage a lot more units. A two-year absence in military puts a big damper on mechanics, including the fact you get older. The faster a game moves, the more age makes a difference and young players can excel.

I hope Taeja will do well in his comeback. Even if he doesn't win anything premiere, just playing in the tournaments and making it entertaining.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 27 2018 06:24 GMT
#156
On September 27 2018 14:56 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Forgive my lack of knowledge about other games, but wouldn't it be easier to return to a MOBA than SC2? Aren't the mechanics and especially requirements for speed higher for SC2 since you constantly have to manage multiple bases, armies, support units etc? I haven't played LoL, but from some streams it looks more about micro management, positioning, tactics and accuracy, while in SC2 things happen quicker and you have to change camera location all the time. You also have to manage a lot more units. A two-year absence in military puts a big damper on mechanics, including the fact you get older. The faster a game moves, the more age makes a difference and young players can excel.

I hope Taeja will do well in his comeback. Even if he doesn't win anything premiere, just playing in the tournaments and making it entertaining.


Mechanics in LoL are lower in the sense that there is less thing to do but it's very micro and positioning intensive and those things are pretty much as "hard" as Starcraft mechanics, you need to work on it as much as sc2 macro-micro, so if they were able to build their mecanics back I would guess Taeja could too even if it's not exactly the same kind of mecanics. If his wrist stay healty I would not worry to much about his mechanics, when you had it once it's much easier to get it back, altough it dosen't mean he's gonna as good as before, but it's not just a mechanical thing.

And for the age thing I am not sure, I know it's common knowledge to say the reflexes are worst when you grow older, but at the same time if you look at the FGC a lot of the top tier performer are well in their 30 and those games need super fast reflexes. Sako won 2 premier Street Fighter 5 event this year at age 40 so I would think that if you keep working and have already a big experience your reflexes dosen't get too bad.
Esport are still very young it's hard to know how long a carrer can last especially since there is a rotation in the games.
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
September 27 2018 06:45 GMT
#157
On September 27 2018 13:42 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Byun dropped off the face of the Earth for 2 years, came back, and won GSL and Blizzcon.


You're right. Somehow I totally forgot to take Byun into consideration.

Broodwar isn't a good reference. Most comebacks have been done by players who didn't actually retire but switched to SC2 and then returned to BW. Those players never stopped training their mechanics.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
September 27 2018 08:54 GMT
#158
On September 27 2018 15:45 fronkschnonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 13:42 Solar424 wrote:
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Byun dropped off the face of the Earth for 2 years, came back, and won GSL and Blizzcon.


You're right. Somehow I totally forgot to take Byun into consideration.

Broodwar isn't a good reference. Most comebacks have been done by players who didn't actually retire but switched to SC2 and then returned to BW. Those players never stopped training their mechanics.

Yeah, I think that is an important point. Two years in the army makes you lose mechanics. Did Byun go to the army and come back? Didn't hear much about what he did those years.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15937 Posts
September 27 2018 09:12 GMT
#159
On September 27 2018 13:42 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Byun dropped off the face of the Earth for 2 years, came back, and won GSL and Blizzcon.

Marineking also switched to LoL for 1-2 years, came back and reached the Hot6ix Cup finals.
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
September 27 2018 09:38 GMT
#160
Seems like a perfect opportunity for Taeja to train with the new test patch and then If he is invited for Homestory cup, he could leave some good trace in the end of the year.
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
September 27 2018 10:41 GMT
#161
How soon until the first "i'm going to retire"?
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 13:54:24
September 27 2018 13:53 GMT
#162
On September 27 2018 17:54 Zephyp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 15:45 fronkschnonk wrote:
On September 27 2018 13:42 Solar424 wrote:
On September 27 2018 12:30 Rodya wrote:
On September 26 2018 20:31 JoeCool wrote:
I was never a fan of TaeJa and I'll probably never be one but I'm still really happy for anyone who decides to come back to this glorious game. :-)

That beeing said, is there any progamer who returned after some time and won anything?


Brood War obviously has a ton of examples. Mata from LoL basically retired for a year or more and is once again the best support in the world and maybe best player in the world (won the Korean league too I think). Bengi retired for a year and came back to win the world championship. SC2 doesn't have many examples because there aren't many examples of top players retiring and then returning.

Byun dropped off the face of the Earth for 2 years, came back, and won GSL and Blizzcon.


You're right. Somehow I totally forgot to take Byun into consideration.

Broodwar isn't a good reference. Most comebacks have been done by players who didn't actually retire but switched to SC2 and then returned to BW. Those players never stopped training their mechanics.

Yeah, I think that is an important point. Two years in the army makes you lose mechanics. Did Byun go to the army and come back? Didn't hear much about what he did those years.

Who knows what they make you do in kespa jail?



How soon until the first "i'm going to retire"?

If it's takes as long as last time until he actually retires, we have years of Taeja ahead of us
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
September 27 2018 14:46 GMT
#163
Thanks for the videos .. brings back memories. Oh .. and welcome back TaeJa !

This is going to be fun .. and Fantasy is back too I gather
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
September 27 2018 23:14 GMT
#164
TAEJA!!! So happy to see the name again <3
litLikeBic
Profile Joined August 2018
Canada105 Posts
September 28 2018 00:54 GMT
#165
my fav T player. this is fantastic news
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-28 18:40:28
September 28 2018 18:40 GMT
#166
I think if all the KESPA houses were still around he'd probably struggle to get back but they're not so I think he can get back to being competitive with the best. He's a gifted player, that's a saying that is probably overused but i always got that impression with him.
Irukandji30
Profile Joined August 2016
15 Posts
September 29 2018 08:47 GMT
#167
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kill them all!!!
mangalover007
Profile Joined October 2018
1 Post
October 01 2018 16:24 GMT
#168
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
October 04 2018 09:11 GMT
#169
Taeja said on stream today he had problems setting up VODS and that he's been trying to email twitch about it. Idk if it's already known but maybe someone at liquid can help him with it?
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4933 Posts
October 04 2018 09:30 GMT
#170
We're aware and trying to help him
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UncleVinny
Profile Joined April 2011
United States35 Posts
October 07 2018 04:33 GMT
#171
Welcome back to one of my very favoritest players ever, and a peach of a human being. I really enjoyed the photos he shared on his stream of his time in the military... it gave me a better idea of what the Korean military service is like, which had been a big mystery for me up til then.

Some of my fondest memories are of watching Taeja play, and his shy interviews and all-round good nature. So very excited to hear that he'll be with Liquid again. Now...come back, Sheth!! :-)
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
October 07 2018 11:44 GMT
#172
Hopefully he goes to HSC this November. New patch is the best time for old players to catch up.
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