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wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 
Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something.
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On August 02 2018 23:02 KalWarkov wrote:wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something.
Ehm, one series, with Zest, the biggest slumper in human history, of all people, proves something? Let's wait for the rest of the tournament to make any conculsions ...
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France12955 Posts
On August 02 2018 23:17 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 23:02 KalWarkov wrote:wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something. Ehm, one series, with Zest, the biggest slumper in human history, of all people, proves something? Let's wait for the rest of the tournament to make any conculsions ...
It's a fair and rational point that we should wait for the rest of the tournament to make conclusions.
However, Zest being a "slumper" is very subjective and bordeline utter BS imho.
The probable truth is that WCS is nowadays more competitive because foreign players have more incentive (mainly financial) to compete hard between themselves which leads to a more competitive foreign scene.
Thanks for the write-up, that makes me want to watch the Maru vs soO series even tho I already know the outcome, which is very rare 
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On August 02 2018 23:17 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 23:02 KalWarkov wrote:wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something. Ehm, one series, with Zest, the biggest slumper in human history, of all people, proves something? Let's wait for the rest of the tournament to make any conculsions ...
Neeb didn't advance from his Code S group, right?
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On August 02 2018 23:47 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 23:17 opisska wrote:On August 02 2018 23:02 KalWarkov wrote:wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something. Ehm, one series, with Zest, the biggest slumper in human history, of all people, proves something? Let's wait for the rest of the tournament to make any conculsions ... Neeb didn't advance from his Code S group, right?
He did advance. Beat Losira and Alive to come out 2nd.
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Did you really have to put the names in the thread subjecT?
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China6331 Posts
On August 02 2018 23:53 Odoakar wrote:
Did you really have to put the names in the thread subjecT?
If you don't want to be spoiled, use spoiler mode.
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the obligatory spoiler complaint returns.
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Whoever voted for Has instead of Mana. You messed up. Mana beat Special not so long ago. You got excited cause of some cheese and voted a weaker player in. Good job
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While I don't think that it's insignificant that Zest loss, as most people were still predicting a Zest win, of all the Koreans, Zest loses a number of times against foreigners. He's also one of the weaker Koreans in terms of recent dominance. Sure, you can never really count him out of a match, but he feels less intimidating than other Koreans. If any other foreigners can take matches, then it might be something, but we'll have to wait and see.
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On August 02 2018 23:24 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 23:17 opisska wrote:On August 02 2018 23:02 KalWarkov wrote:wow i'm 3 maps off from prediction, had special 3-1 and maru 3-0 Also, i hope this ends the korean super bias "GSL > everything". Turns out WCS is acutally rather competetive and winning it almost flawlessly 3 times in a row means something. Ehm, one series, with Zest, the biggest slumper in human history, of all people, proves something? Let's wait for the rest of the tournament to make any conculsions ... It's a fair and rational point that we should wait for the rest of the tournament to make conclusions. However, Zest being a "slumper" is very subjective and bordeline utter BS imho. The probable truth is that WCS is nowadays more competitive because foreign players have more incentive (mainly financial) to compete hard between themselves which leads to a more competitive foreign scene. Thanks for the write-up, that makes me want to watch the Maru vs soO series even tho I already know the outcome, which is very rare
WCS is more competitive now, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take showtime vs. zest with a grain of salt. Zest isn't in a "slump" exactly anymore since he did make gsl finals, but he still looks shakey more often than not even in his wins. I'd still hold off judgment about WCS circuit compared to GSL until at least ro8 is finished.
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On August 03 2018 00:44 boski055 wrote:
Whoever voted for Has instead of Mana. You messed up. Mana beat Special not so long ago. You got excited cause of some cheese and voted a weaker player in. Good job
Has also beat Special recently.
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Zest looked less than amazing at Homestory Cup, so this result isn't too surprising. His series against Showtime was probably the biggest chance for a Korean to lose to a non-Korean in the tournament.
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I think its wrong to say that Zest is in a slump and so on. He advanced in his GSL group and was in the finals last season.. I think his problem was, that he underestimated Showtime a lot. You heard it in his interview and the aspect Rotti mentioned, that cheesing on that map is nonsense if Zest would have watched some matches of him. I think not to watch games of your opponent is a strategical mistake, plus his underestimation and Showtime being a good player... he deserved the win and now saying that he won just because of a bad shape of Zest is bs
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OR showtime is just really good he also beat stats recently.
it seems everyone is just making excuses for the koreans if they lose.
kinda odd and boring.
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i think the casting/analysis in the broadcast were pretty accurate. it looks like Zest wasnt prepared at all for showtime. against a player with strength in defense, you dont win if you wanna go with your head through "the wall". take advantage that he is sometimes a little to save, outmarcro him or gaining here and there little advantages and work out your win. The fact that Zest didnt get a single upgrade in the whole series (correct?), says everything...
still, showtime is to me one of the most underrated players. would have loved to saw a finals against serral in valencia. Maybe Maru did a better preperation, considering he picked him first!?
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Oh Has, why do you break my heart so  .
Hoping Maru takes the win. Impressed with soO taking Maru to five maps though.
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Guess soo won't make it to blizzcon
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On August 03 2018 02:39 BigRedDog wrote:
Guess soo won't make it to blizzcon
This tournament didn't matter one bit regarding Blizzcon anyway.
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On August 03 2018 02:39 BigRedDog wrote:
Guess soo won't make it to blizzcon
His Blizzcon chances aren't affected by this tournament in any way, shape or form.
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Where were your vipers soO??? Good series though
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Really impressed with ShoWTimE, that DT hold was clutch. Curious to see what he can do to Maru.
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The bracket makes me really sad when i look at it, beating Maru at the moment seems nearly impossible, while i think ShoWTimE would have had a chance against most other Koreans (except Rogue, I think). Same with Serral, going up against Rogue/Innovation (I´m not expecting him to lose against Kelazhur) in the Ro8 will be really hard. Of course i don´t want to count them out already, but still, i have the feeling both of them could have had a deep run if they would not run into the best players of the world in Ro8 already..
Aside from that I would like to know what HeRoMaRinE thinks, maybe he is quite happy now that the Brazilians voted so much for their boy Kelazhur, flying to Korea just to play against Serral again might not have been a pleasure for him
(I know, it´s 2,5k $ still)
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Bisutopia19367 Posts
Showtime played great and Zest has had terrible PvP since the shield battery era. I can't wait to see Showtime take on Maru. I am also happy Special can represent his new sponsors by advancing. His match versus State will be great.
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>gets second in gsl
>gets told he is in a "slump"
These korean apologists never stop making me laugh.
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On August 03 2018 06:47 Rob-Zero wrote:The bracket makes me really sad when i look at it, beating Maru at the moment seems nearly impossible, while i think ShoWTimE would have had a chance against most other Koreans (except Rogue, I think). Same with Serral, going up against Rogue/Innovation (I´m not expecting him to lose against Kelazhur) in the Ro8 will be really hard. Of course i don´t want to count them out already, but still, i have the feeling both of them could have had a deep run if they would not run into the best players of the world in Ro8 already.. Aside from that I would like to know what HeRoMaRinE thinks, maybe he is quite happy now that the Brazilians voted so much for their boy Kelazhur, flying to Korea just to play against Serral again might not have been a pleasure for him (I know, it´s 2,5k $ still)
Think of it as a foreigner right of passage. Stephano did not ascend to foreigner bonjwadom by winning IPL against Lucky. He did it by going through top Koreans over and over again. If Serral is heading in that direction, then this is a necessary step \o/.
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On August 03 2018 07:59 aish wrote:
>gets second in gsl
>gets told he is in a "slump"
These korean apologists never stop making me laugh.
Whether he's in a slump is debatable.
What isn't debatable is the fact he played like complete shit. Probably his worst performance in a tournament all year
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On August 03 2018 07:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Showtime played great and Zest has had terrible PvP since the shield battery era. I can't wait to see Showtime take on Maru. I am also happy Special can represent his new sponsors by advancing. His match versus State will be great.
Zest's PvP since the shield battery era has been really good? If anything, it improved, cos Zest was seriously slumping for like an entire year before 4.0. I think most people consider Zest's PvP currently one of the best in the world.
Personally for me, I think Zest's style is really clowny and he's super stubborn with it. He loves to get these weird early game edges which basically didn't pay off in any of these games. Every single game was reasonably competitive, which is frustrating cos he's clearly very good but found himself so far behind that it didn't really matter. He definitely has probably the 2nd most dangerous PvP in Korea outside of sOs, but the weaknesses of his play were really shown here.
I'm no Zest hater but boy does he often look so silly sometimes, in all matchups.
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great 1st day of action!
Has forces games that remind me of C&C games.
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On August 03 2018 08:56 kottbullar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2018 06:47 Rob-Zero wrote:The bracket makes me really sad when i look at it, beating Maru at the moment seems nearly impossible, while i think ShoWTimE would have had a chance against most other Koreans (except Rogue, I think). Same with Serral, going up against Rogue/Innovation (I´m not expecting him to lose against Kelazhur) in the Ro8 will be really hard. Of course i don´t want to count them out already, but still, i have the feeling both of them could have had a deep run if they would not run into the best players of the world in Ro8 already.. Aside from that I would like to know what HeRoMaRinE thinks, maybe he is quite happy now that the Brazilians voted so much for their boy Kelazhur, flying to Korea just to play against Serral again might not have been a pleasure for him (I know, it´s 2,5k $ still) Think of it as a foreigner right of passage. Stephano did not ascend to foreigner bonjwadom by winning IPL against Lucky. He did it by going through top Koreans over and over again. If Serral is heading in that direction, then this is a necessary step \o/.
It would just be nice if that necessary step was in the Ro4 or finals, but yah, you are right of course, if you want to be the best then you have to beat any opponent, no matter what round it is. So i just wait and see, and hope for some awesome games (and it´s not like i dont feel any sympathy for the koreans, too)
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Zest just continues to let everyone down. So frustrating to watch him play.
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This tournament is already living up to the Hype, the first two opening games were fantastic. The second two matches were less exciting but I feel cyan and Has are the weakest players here so hopefully the next round is even better!
Also the Maru vs Serral pick has awesome!
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poor soo guess he's done with sc2. dunno if he'll ever recover from the brutal blizzcon loss to evil rogue, he was never the same again. i dont think its worth it probably too much damage to his mental well being
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On August 02 2018 23:57 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2018 23:53 Odoakar wrote:
Did you really have to put the names in the thread subjecT? If you don't want to be spoiled, use spoiler mode.
If you wan't people to log in for your spoiler mode feature, use HTTPS.
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