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Congrats to Has! His run at Valencia came with a perfect timing
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Getting an invite to a premier tournament where you get paid just for showing up simply because you're a popular player seems all kinds of dumb.
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How was cyan selected? Was he selected with a poll too?
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On July 18 2018 07:04 The Taxman wrote:
How was cyan selected? Was he selected with a poll too?
Probably invited as GPL champion.
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I hope if they keep this event going forward, they would do an actual qualifier so that most people (including myself) won't feel salty about the results.
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That Korean lineup is super stacked. That foreign one.....less so. Realistically, I could see Classic/Zest losing to Serral, seeing as both have shown glaring weaknesses in PvZ. Also, Rogue/Dark might lose a ZvZ to Serral, since it's yknow, ZvZ. soO though is a ZvZ god. Don't know much about Cyan so I'll leave him out of this. And of course, Has is Has.
Aside from the above, every single Korean is heavily favored against every single foreigner. In particular, Maru and INnoVation are nigh invincible by virtue of being Korean Terrans. On the flip side, Kelazhur and Scarlett are the weakest links by far. Even recent form in their respective regions favors the Korean team.
Going into the event, I'm expecting to see the Koreans stomp pretty hard. 8-0 is looking very possible, even likely, depending on how the bracket is drawn. Anything is possible of course, but upsets are called upsets for a reason.
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So who we got?
Finland, USA, Canada, Mexico, Taiwan, China, Germany, Brazil vs South Korea.
Pretty nice spread.
Looking forward to seeing what kind of form Serral is on and how it matches up.
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On July 18 2018 07:13 EzioAs wrote:
I hope if they keep this event going forward, they would do an actual qualifier so that most people (including myself) won't feel salty about the results.
Even doing invites based solely on WCS standings would be better though not ideal. They could do the top 2 players from each race along with the 2 highest ranked players of whoever's left. The only issue there is they'd have to exclude GSL season 3 points from the calculation or you'd unfairly benefit players who played in the earlier groups.
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On July 18 2018 07:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
So who we got?
Finland, USA, Canada, Mexico, Taiwan, China, Germany, Brazil vs South Korea.
Pretty nice spread.
Looking forward to seeing what kind of form Serral is on and how it matches up.
Let's be honest. It's Finland vs South Korea.
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On July 18 2018 07:41 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 07:13 EzioAs wrote:
I hope if they keep this event going forward, they would do an actual qualifier so that most people (including myself) won't feel salty about the results. Even doing invites based solely on WCS standings would be better though not ideal. They could do the top 2 players from each race along with the 2 highest ranked players of whoever's left. The only issue there is they'd have to exclude GSL season 3 points from the calculation or you'd unfairly benefit players who played in the earlier groups.
Except that's exactly what they do with Blizzcon.
I think it's pretty obvious that Blizz wanted to make this tournament different from just "Blizzcon in summer."
I would have prefered qualifiers too, but it's also obvious to me that Blizzard WANTED the popularity contest involved in some way.
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Soo is a wildcard and not the designated zerg?!?!?!?! heartless monsters all of you
EDIT: AND NO SOS???? BUT HAS GETS VOTED IN???? DOES NOT COMPUTE
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Scarlett and has are great. But zest over sOs sucks
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On July 18 2018 07:43 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 07:41 Boggyb wrote:On July 18 2018 07:13 EzioAs wrote:
I hope if they keep this event going forward, they would do an actual qualifier so that most people (including myself) won't feel salty about the results. Even doing invites based solely on WCS standings would be better though not ideal. They could do the top 2 players from each race along with the 2 highest ranked players of whoever's left. The only issue there is they'd have to exclude GSL season 3 points from the calculation or you'd unfairly benefit players who played in the earlier groups. Except that's exactly what they do with Blizzcon. I think it's pretty obvious that Blizz wanted to make this tournament different from just "Blizzcon in summer." I would have prefered qualifiers too, but it's also obvious to me that Blizzard WANTED the popularity contest involved in some way.
The WCS Global Finals are the top 8 players from Korea and the WCS Circuit. Yes, this year both methods give the same result, but that's not always the case.
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Team World is gonna get destroyed :[
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Since in gutless Blizzard world, Has is not from Taiwan, why does Cyan get a bid?
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On July 18 2018 07:43 LTCM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 07:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
So who we got?
Finland, USA, Canada, Mexico, Taiwan, China, Germany, Brazil vs South Korea.
Pretty nice spread.
Looking forward to seeing what kind of form Serral is on and how it matches up. Let's be honest. It's Finland vs South Korea.
i see no finnland...?
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On July 18 2018 08:00 Oalfredo77 wrote:
Team World is gonna get destroyed :[
No way dude. Did you hear the casters at Valencia? Serral is as good as anyone in the World.
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On July 18 2018 07:58 Cricketer12 wrote:
Scarlett and has are great. But zest over sOs sucks
sOs had his chance last year and let the team down.
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On July 18 2018 08:21 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 07:58 Cricketer12 wrote:
Scarlett and has are great. But zest over sOs sucks sOs had his chance last year and let the team down.
Not really...? He won his game for the team tournament so that's good enough.
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The dream of sOs vs Has is dead D:
noooooo!
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Looking at the Korean lineup, it doesn't really matter how good Serral is. No one can stop this force.
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On July 18 2018 08:28 EzioAs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 08:21 Phredxor wrote:On July 18 2018 07:58 Cricketer12 wrote:
Scarlett and has are great. But zest over sOs sucks sOs had his chance last year and let the team down. Not really...? He won his game for the team tournament so that's good enough.
He was the only Korean to lose his Bo5 against a foreigner. Such disgrace cannot be allowed to repeat. 
TY also disgraced Korea by losing to Kelazhur, but received swift justice in the finals.
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Well congratulations to the winners (though I think there could've been a better terran representative).
Even so good luck to all competitors.
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yeah why did they not show Has' Taiwan flag?
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China forces the use of Chinese Taipei. See also, Olympics.
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On July 18 2018 08:12 Boggyb wrote:
Since in gutless Blizzard world, Has is not from Taiwan, why does Cyan get a bid?
Because Taiwan isn't China and everyone knows it, everyone knows it's semantics and it's dumb but it's hardly only Blizzard that does it. It's just a silly game that China makes everyone play
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Happy both Dark and soO made it in 
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On July 18 2018 08:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
The dream of sOs vs Has is dead D:
noooooo!
zESt IS bEsT
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On July 18 2018 08:19 Brained wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2018 07:43 LTCM wrote:
Let's be honest. It's Finland vs South Korea. i see no finnland...?
Serral was already on the team. I feel bad for team World though... It's missing some of its best players, so it Has no chance.
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Woah, Kelazhur won the Terran vote? A few days ago I could've sworn Heromarine and uThermal were neck and neck in the lead.....
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Time to prove yourself Serral.
Are you really the best of the best or a just another foreign scene farmer?
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On July 18 2018 10:37 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 08:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
The dream of sOs vs Has is dead D:
noooooo! zESt IS b EsToring
ftfy
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Can't wait to see Has again :D
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On July 18 2018 12:27 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 10:37 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 18 2018 08:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
The dream of sOs vs Has is dead D:
noooooo! zESt IS b EsToring ftfy
FMW is one with sarcasm
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Wow Kelazhur and Scarlett, as if team world wasn't already in big disavantage
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team world better practice sniping them because straight up this will be a slaughter
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On July 18 2018 07:15 pvsnp wrote:
That Korean lineup is super stacked. That foreign one.....less so. Realistically, I could see Classic/Zest losing to Serral, seeing as both have shown glaring weaknesses in PvZ. Also, Rogue/Dark might lose a ZvZ to Serral, since it's yknow, ZvZ. soO though is a ZvZ god. Don't know much about Cyan so I'll leave him out of this. And of course, Has is Has.
Aside from the above, every single Korean is heavily favored against every single foreigner. In particular, Maru and INnoVation are nigh invincible by virtue of being Korean Terrans. On the flip side, Kelazhur and Scarlett are the weakest links by far. Even recent form in their respective regions favors the Korean team.
Going into the event, I'm expecting to see the Koreans stomp pretty hard. 8-0 is looking very possible, even likely, depending on how the bracket is drawn. Anything is possible of course, but upsets are called upsets for a reason.
Korean Terrans aren't actually invincible anymore. Maru, yes, but INnoVation has lost twice in the past two years to uThermal, and TY lost to SpeCial at Blizzcon as well. I expect 6-2. Upsets are likely in an event like this, and Serral should win at least his first series (although it's likely he plays Cyan).
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On July 18 2018 12:56 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Can't wait to see Has again :D
Hell yeah! I can see those cannons warping in already! 
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Rip team World 
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So excited for Has vs Korean games
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This tournament is literally porn. My ding dong is so hard. Can't wait!!!
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On July 18 2018 15:04 Sharkken wrote:Rip team World
Even though Im foreinger Im rooting for Maru, but as a fan I am scared so Serral.
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What is Chinese Representative? O_o Plus Has is from China, maybe non-commie one but still.
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Has and Scarlett can be argued for best non-seeded Protoss/Zerg but Kelazhur clearly is not the best terran.
If they continue with this format next year there should be something done to prevent the vote to be so heavily influenced by non-SC2 people.
Maybe requiring the voters to have a battle.net account with an sc2 copy? Dunno f2p makes this tricky.
I don't mind the voting format in general as it's something different than most other events but it should make sure the most popular players win the poll and not the players who happened to have popular guys advertise for them.
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On July 18 2018 14:28 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 07:15 pvsnp wrote:
That Korean lineup is super stacked. That foreign one.....less so. Realistically, I could see Classic/Zest losing to Serral, seeing as both have shown glaring weaknesses in PvZ. Also, Rogue/Dark might lose a ZvZ to Serral, since it's yknow, ZvZ. soO though is a ZvZ god. Don't know much about Cyan so I'll leave him out of this. And of course, Has is Has.
Aside from the above, every single Korean is heavily favored against every single foreigner. In particular, Maru and INnoVation are nigh invincible by virtue of being Korean Terrans. On the flip side, Kelazhur and Scarlett are the weakest links by far. Even recent form in their respective regions favors the Korean team.
Going into the event, I'm expecting to see the Koreans stomp pretty hard. 8-0 is looking very possible, even likely, depending on how the bracket is drawn. Anything is possible of course, but upsets are called upsets for a reason. Korean Terrans aren't actually invincible anymore. Maru, yes, but INnoVation has lost twice in the past two years to uThermal, and TY lost to SpeCial at Blizzcon as well.
Maru since 2017: http://aligulac.com/m/BtQfXQtgykvV4JEd
Inno since 2017: http://aligulac.com/m/SK0S2ZQVAt7hYPZE
(I used two years since that's the only time period you mentioned.)
They aren't quite invincible, but > 80% winrates in all three matchups is pretty daunting if you're a foreigner. Maru's record is slightly better, but Inno has played more than twice as many games. If you're talking recent form, sure Maru is probably more invincible, but I wouldn't underestimate Season 3 Inno on his home turf either. I'd be surprised if either of them dropped a single map to any foreigner, let alone a whole series.
And I don't know why you added the "anymore." Prior to two years ago their record is very similar. Sure, Inno lost to uthermal in 2018. He also lost to Naniwa in 2013. Maru lost to Scarlett in 2013 too. Foreigners have always been able to score the occasional upset against top Koreans, even Korean Terrans. It didn't stop the Korean Terrans from being overwhelming favorites, and it doesn't stop them now.
Maru before 2017: http://aligulac.com/m/3j1XJdnscdGHUOMY
Inno before 2017: http://aligulac.com/m/ge8BjAiEJzTL48qW
Change the time periods around if you like; in 2018 Maru is more invincible and Inno less. 2017 has Inno on top. So on and so forth for 2016, 2015, etc etc. Maru and Inno about as invincible as they've ever been against foreigners, and that's pretty damn close to unbeatable.
I expect 6-2. Upsets are likely in an event like this, and Serral should win at least his first series (although it's likely he plays Cyan)
A 6-2 is perfectly possible. So is an 8-0. I'll reserve judgement until I see the bracket. And if an upset is "likely," it is by definition not an upset at all.
Why do you say Serral is likely to face Cyan? IIRC last year they drew the bracket so that every seeded player had an equal chance of facing any of the voted players. Meaning Serral will be facing one of Inno, Dark, soO, Zest, Kelazhur, Scarlett, Has, or Cyan.
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Good for Has, and it will most likely be entertaining. I do however feel bad for Mana i would have loved to see him there.
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On July 18 2018 15:34 nimdil wrote:
What is Chinese Representative? O_o Plus Has is from China, maybe non-commie one but still.
If you allow mainland Chinese participate in the vote we are gonna get a Team China vs Team Korea so that's the solution.
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Kelazhur really? last time i was looking he was behind Heromarine and Uthermal and for a good reason!
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On July 18 2018 17:02 spenzzer wrote:
Kelazhur really? last time i was looking he was behind Heromarine and Uthermal and for a good reason!
The Brazilian esports community rallied behind him and made him win with a 5000 vote lead.
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Really glad to see Dark and soO both get in! SKT Zergs fighting :D
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I think while the focus will be on the Korean terrans doing work, excellent ZvZ players like soO shouldn't be discounted; I mean he went flawless against Serral at NW this year.
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Its a joke kelazhur is in, stop this vote System or Design it differently. Cs Community Decides Who plays in a starcraft 2 Event. Congrats.
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I am dissapointed
no sOs, no HeroMarine or uThermal and I'd rather have Elazer over Scarlett.
At least Has is in
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I think the winner will be either Maru or Serral.
Not sure which one I will root for - I am Terran and I like Maru but it would it would be fun if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate.
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Has was fun to watch, but MaNa would have been a better choice tbh.
This voting system is VERY flawed. Anyone can make 3 accs in 3 clicks and vote, thus we have the Kelazhur situation.
I hope Blizzard reconsider this voting and redo it or pick players in a different way, cuz this is just a joke
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RIP team world 
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Hoping that Has cheeses Zest back to the StarCraft Stone age since sOs and herO didn't make it
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Popularity votes are only fine when the player I want to win is the winner.
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On July 18 2018 21:03 sunnyshine wrote:
Popularity votes are only fine when the player I want to win is the winner.
Agreed.
I'm typically on the foreigner bandwagon in general, but I see Korea absolutely STOMPING here.
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On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate.
How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything?
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On July 18 2018 07:49 fishjie wrote:
Soo is a wildcard and not the designated zerg?!?!?!?! heartless monsters all of you
EDIT: AND NO SOS???? BUT HAS GETS VOTED IN???? DOES NOT COMPUTE
Yeah, it'd be pretty bad for SK to come second in GSL vs the world 
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On July 18 2018 22:25 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate. How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything?
I think he probably meant the Serral debate about how good he really is
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On July 18 2018 22:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 22:25 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate. How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything? I think he probably meant the Serral debate about how good he really is
Maybe but then again with MockHamill you can never be too sure. Plus, it wouldn't end that either. It could make it worse too.
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On July 18 2018 12:21 PuddleZerg wrote:
Time to prove yourself Serral.
Are you really the best of the best or a just another foreign scene farmer?
Or as Serral has shown in IEM and WESG he's something in between those things.
On July 18 2018 22:33 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 22:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On July 18 2018 22:25 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate. How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything? I think he probably meant the Serral debate about how good he really is Plus, it wouldn't end that either. It could make it worse too.
Especially if Serral would win it without facing Maru or Inno somehow.
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On July 18 2018 22:42 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 12:21 PuddleZerg wrote:
Time to prove yourself Serral.
Are you really the best of the best or a just another foreign scene farmer? Or as Serral has shown in IEM and WESG he's something in between those things. Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 22:33 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 22:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On July 18 2018 22:25 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate. How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything? I think he probably meant the Serral debate about how good he really is Plus, it wouldn't end that either. It could make it worse too. Especially if Serral would win it without facing Maru or Inno somehow.
Serral playing something like Cyan, Dark, Classic, Zest would just be the ultimate meme.
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On July 18 2018 22:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2018 22:25 Elentos wrote:On July 18 2018 18:55 MockHamill wrote:
if Serral won since it would put an end to the Korea vs Foreigners debate. How in the name of the lord would that put an end to anything? I think he probably meant the Serral debate about how good he really is
After Neeb won Kespa Cup it didn't put an end to any debate
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On July 18 2018 21:03 sunnyshine wrote:
Popularity votes are only fine when the player I want to win is the winner.
That has nothing to do with it. Nobody complains about Scarlett or Has making it.
People are complaining because the popularity vote wasn't won by the most popular player but by the player who happened to have popular guys advertise for him.
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7-1 for Korea I guess, but Serral has a good shot of reaching the semis in the indiviudal part if the bracket is good for him.
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Thinking Reynor should have competed for the world, no? Round 16 in GSL, and he did well in Valencia until he ran into Serral, which was the point where everyone stoped doing well ^^
Also given that he just turned 16 it is unlikely that he reached his full potential . Would not be suprised if he gives Serral a run for his money in 2019. But anyhuw...
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If Maru got kicked in 1st round this is will be nothing special, but if Serral lose in 1st round from korean, this will be and of the world.
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On July 18 2018 21:03 sunnyshine wrote:
Popularity votes are only fine when the player I want to win is the winner.
A large mass of people who do not watch or play StarCraft should not get to decide by a landslide who gets to go to this StarCraft tournament and earn money, regardless of who they chose or how good that player is.
Change my mind.
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On July 19 2018 00:38 Kikirik1 wrote:
If Maru got kicked in 1st round this is will be nothing special, but if Serral lose in 1st round from korean, this will be and of the world.
end of the world
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As long as Serral doesnt meet korean terrans, everything is fine
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Hoping that Has cheeses Zest back to the StarCraft Stone age since sOs and herO didn't make it
Maybe if SoS and HerO showed results they would have earned the spot.
Also good luck killing Zest in PvP.
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On July 18 2018 06:58 Boggyb wrote:
Getting an invite to a premier tournament where you get paid just for showing up simply because you're a popular player seems all kinds of dumb.
No it is not dumb. We need many ways to support our popular players. That keep pro community alive.
Sometimes popularity is more important for community than skill.
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A lot of these foreigners have been able to hang with top Koreans at least for a little while during various points in their careers. I hope at least one or two will be able to prevent an 8-0.
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No Byun
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GSL vs the non-china world plus mandatory china.
wat, why
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On July 20 2018 08:22 travis wrote:
GSL vs the non-china world plus mandatory china.
wat, why
Cause there are a whole lot of Chinese people in the world, and that means a whole lot of votes for Chinese players
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Am I the only one feeling suspicious at Team world's Terran voat?
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On July 20 2018 08:26 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2018 08:22 travis wrote:
GSL vs the non-china world plus mandatory china.
wat, why Cause there are a whole lot of Chinese people in the world, and that means a whole lot of votes for Chinese players
Looks like we need a slot for Brazil too.
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Sure hope Serral gets to fly in early and be well prepared for this. Should be a treat. I hope they do a random draw for the bracket too. Otherwise Serral vs Soo first round is very likely and that will make for a pretty bad show.
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Rigged! Hot balls and something!
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the only thing that makes me salty is Rogue vs INnoVation in the ro16...
but at least the winner slaps Serral after that.
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On July 22 2018 16:54 Charoisaur wrote:
the only thing that makes me salty is Rogue vs INnoVation in the ro16...
but at least the winner slaps Serral after that.
I think Inno slaps Serral, but Rogue vs Serral seems 50/50. The last time Serral won, not sure if Rogue improved more than Serral since February.
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I hope INno gets past Rogue. Seeing him face Serral would be a lot more instructive than seeing Rogue and Serral toss coins.
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On July 22 2018 17:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I hope INno gets past Rogue. Seeing him face Serral would be a lot more instructive than seeing Rogue and Serral toss coins.
If Inno beats Rogue he's not losing to any other Zerg. That's a pretty big if though.
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals.
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Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible.
On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals.
Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him.
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It shows what level ex-kt players are.
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On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I hope INno gets past Rogue. Seeing him face Serral would be a lot more instructive than seeing Rogue and Serral toss coins. If Inno beats Rogue he's not losing to any other Zerg. That's a pretty big if though. Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals.
Rogue's ZvT is overrated. He's very clutch and capable of winning when it matters, but he's not bullet-proof in the match-up. If you look at online events (where Rogue admittedly under-performs) his win-rate is much worse than Dark's against a comparable pool of players.
Besides the word I used was instructive, and seeing INno bop Serral would be instructive.
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On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him.
Just shows you what level Terran is at tbh.
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On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him.
I mean soO just went 0-4 against Major and Keen, who are miles below Maru on their best day. Even Rogue said today how he kept losing to Maru in practice. If Rogue is consistently losing, what hope does soO have? About the only thing we can say for soO is that at least it's not the finals.
As for Stats and Zest, Maru's shelf has got two shiny GSL trophies on it, courtesy of Stats and Zest. Stats couldn't beat Maru even before the marauder buff, and Zest couldn't even take a game off him after it.
Maybe, just maybe, soO, or Stats, or Zest, will pull off the upset of the year and topple an arrogant, complacent Maru from his throne. Miracles have happened before. But this would have to be one hell of a miracle.
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On July 22 2018 17:51 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him. I mean soO just went 0-4 against Major and Keen, who are miles below Maru on their best day. Even Rogue said today how he kept losing to Maru in practice. If Rogue is consistently losing, what hope does soO have? About the only thing we can say for soO is that at least it's not the finals. As for Stats and Zest, Maru's shelf has got two shiny GSL trophies on it, courtesy of Stats and Zest. Stats couldn't beat Maru even before the marauder buff, and Zest couldn't even take a game off him after it.
I'm not denying that it's supposed to be easy for Maru, but on the flip-side, for every other player in GSL vs the World, playing soO/Zest/Stats wouldn't be anywhere near as easy.
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On July 22 2018 17:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:On July 22 2018 17:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I hope INno gets past Rogue. Seeing him face Serral would be a lot more instructive than seeing Rogue and Serral toss coins. If Inno beats Rogue he's not losing to any other Zerg. That's a pretty big if though. Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Rogue's ZvT is overrated. He's very clutch and capable of winning when it matters, but he's not bullet-proof in the match-up. If you look at online events (where Rogue admittedly under-performs) his win-rate is much worse than Dark's against a comparable pool of players because of that. Besides the word I used was instructive, and seeing INno bop Serral would be instructive.
Eh I dunno, I'm an Inno fan and I give him 50/50 at best against Rogue.
While I do agree that Rogue's ZvT is somewhat overrated, that doesn't override the fact that he is hella strong against Terran, especially in the lategame. He's not invincible, but he is really, really hard to kill. Not to mention, Rogue has the considerable advantage of practicing with Maru, and if anyone can find/exploit flaws in TvZ it's Maru. Rogue has gotten incredibly good at surviving Terran pressure.
Just look at Keen today, for example, who was doing an excellent job of pressuring in the early/mid game. He killed a bunch of drones, killed a few bases, and kept most of his army alive. What good did it do? Rogue hunkered down, weathered the beating, and blew Keen sky-high with mass banes. Major didn't fare any better.
Granted, Inno is a lot better than Keen or Major. But he lost to Rogue last GSL, and the games weren't all that close either. I think Inno's one spot of hope is the fact that it's a Bo5 with plenty of prep time. Inno's always been good at preparing builds, especially TvZ builds (refer to Inno vs Dark Ro4 last year). He's had plenty of success in starleague series over the years, whereas Rogue, conversely, is strongest in the weekender format and has always struggled in starleagues. The first Super Tournament had the same situation as GSL vs the World, and Inno 3-1 Rogue was the result. Also mentally speaking, Rogue doesn't seem at his best either. It's been awhile since his last big win, he expressed frustration today about his ZvT, and he was complaining about practice boredom/fatigue on Inno's stream the other day.
That being said, this is Season 3 Inno and the current GSL vs the World champion thanks to an insanely dominant run last year. His form is looking much improved from the lackluster showings he had earlier this year. Thanks to today's GSL group, he's got a lot more material of Rogue's to study than the other way around. I fully expect it to be a nailbiting series full of great games, and it's anyone's guess as to who walks away victorious.
On a separate note, Rogue is one of those players for whom I pretty much completely discount online results. He went 0-2 against Bunny hours before he completely smashed Keen and Major just today. To be fair, Inno has a bit of a similar thing going on. Gumiho commented at Blizzcon how online Inno is completely different than offline Inno.
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Oh no, inno always bad luck. jealous of maru.
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I still think they should match a GSL players against a world player for every ro16 match.
Would make the ro8 greater aswell if the foreigners could be purged after the first round!
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On July 22 2018 17:51 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him. I mean soO just went 0-4 against Major and Keen, who are miles below Maru on their best day. Even Rogue said today how he kept losing to Maru in practice. If Rogue is consistently losing, what hope does soO have? About the only thing we can say for soO is that at least it's not the finals. As for Stats and Zest, Maru's shelf has got two shiny GSL trophies on it, courtesy of Stats and Zest. Stats couldn't beat Maru even before the marauder buff, and Zest couldn't even take a game off him after it. Maybe, just maybe, soO, or Stats, or Zest, will pull off the upset of the year and topple an arrogant, complacent Maru from his throne. Miracles have happened before. But this would have to be one hell of a miracle.
that's what he meant, for most other players it would be a hard path (well, maybe excluding soO) but seeing how Maru has matched up against those players so far this year it seems like a walk in the park for him.
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On July 22 2018 17:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:51 pvsnp wrote:On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him. I mean soO just went 0-4 against Major and Keen, who are miles below Maru on their best day. Even Rogue said today how he kept losing to Maru in practice. If Rogue is consistently losing, what hope does soO have? About the only thing we can say for soO is that at least it's not the finals. As for Stats and Zest, Maru's shelf has got two shiny GSL trophies on it, courtesy of Stats and Zest. Stats couldn't beat Maru even before the marauder buff, and Zest couldn't even take a game off him after it. I'm not denying that it's supposed to be easy for Maru, but on the flip-side, for every other player in GSL vs the World, playing soO/Zest/Stats wouldn't be anywhere near as easy.
On July 22 2018 18:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2018 17:51 pvsnp wrote:On July 22 2018 17:08 Elentos wrote:Gyuri needs to work on her bracket-drawing skills. This one is terrible. On July 22 2018 17:03 pvsnp wrote:
Also Maru has an almost absurdly easy path to the finals. Shows you at what level we consider Maru to be when he plays soO and then most likely Zest and Stats and everyone agrees it should be easy for him. I mean soO just went 0-4 against Major and Keen, who are miles below Maru on their best day. Even Rogue said today how he kept losing to Maru in practice. If Rogue is consistently losing, what hope does soO have? About the only thing we can say for soO is that at least it's not the finals. As for Stats and Zest, Maru's shelf has got two shiny GSL trophies on it, courtesy of Stats and Zest. Stats couldn't beat Maru even before the marauder buff, and Zest couldn't even take a game off him after it. Maybe, just maybe, soO, or Stats, or Zest, will pull off the upset of the year and topple an arrogant, complacent Maru from his throne. Miracles have happened before. But this would have to be one hell of a miracle. that's what he meant, for most other players it would be a hard path (well, maybe excluding soO) but seeing how Maru has matched up against those players so far this year it seems like a walk in the park for him.
Ah ok, I thought Elentos was complaining about how the community is overhyping Maru. My mistake.
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Either way Gyuri needs to draw better brackets. It's GSL vs the World and she's making Serral play Kelazhur.
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On July 22 2018 18:02 DBooN wrote:I still think they should match a GSL players against a world player for every ro16 match. Would make the ro8 greater aswell if the foreigners could be purged after the first round!
Why do you think they don't do this?
Would be bad for the hype
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Maru vs Rogue finals, calling it here.
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On July 22 2018 18:16 yht9657 wrote:
Maru vs Rogue finals, calling it here.
Bold call
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Rip foreigners?!
Serral won't prove himself against a Korean until the Quarter-finals, and then it's against two of the most respected players in their races, I'm not betting on Neeb when Dark has a perfect record on him, neither am I betting on Special/Has against Stats or Showtime against Zest
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Rogue vs inno, maru vs soo in the ro16. Two foreigner vs foreigner match ups. Not liking the bracket draws...
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Interesting draw. I think we will have a Maru vs Serral final.
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Maru > Stats
INno > Dark in the semis
Instead of best lotv finals we get tvt. Lame
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If I want to attend GSL vs The World, do I have to go to the GSL studios?
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Was it deliberate for there to have so many mirror matchups?
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