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curufinwe_wins
Profile Joined August 2017
68 Posts
March 08 2018 16:57 GMT
#21
Never got the Stats hate from people. "Stained with the mundane"... are you kidding me...

But yeah, go Dark.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-08 18:39:41
March 08 2018 18:37 GMT
#22
On March 08 2018 16:48 DieuCure wrote:
Even in 2017 TY was much more consistent than INno, 4 global tournaments, WeSG/Katowice Champion, GSL vs World Finals, Blizzcon ro4.

WESG with 2 koreans and beating 3 koreans at IEM > 2 korean starleagues. You should write TL's next power rank.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
435
Profile Joined March 2018
39 Posts
March 08 2018 18:46 GMT
#23
Dark is so bad. He is only 5th in aligulac: http://aligulac.com/
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
March 08 2018 22:15 GMT
#24
Dark is a zerg who does well when zerg is not having it easy. That speaks volumes about his potential.
Et tu Brute ?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33509 Posts
March 08 2018 23:11 GMT
#25
How has no one noticed that this is actually about soO?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland955 Posts
March 09 2018 07:49 GMT
#26
On March 09 2018 08:11 Waxangel wrote:
How has no one noticed that this is actually about soO?


Look at the title, duh.
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
March 11 2018 00:36 GMT
#27
imo dark is the most overrated, and stats is way more consistent.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
March 11 2018 22:33 GMT
#28
On March 08 2018 17:19 DieuCure wrote:
Gyeonggi = 2016, SSL 2017 had no prestige and money, IEM Katowice is better than GSL, and you underestimate the WeSG qualifier and the tournament overall.

INno wasn't able to perform in the toughest tournaments when TY was ( and same thing happened last week ).
So yes INno won one more tournament than TY and against TY but he performed much less in the meaningful tournaments.


wesg was a TY vs maru showmatch, what are you talking about?
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
March 12 2018 07:24 GMT
#29
Unfortunately we have already watched the final match in Code S and it was TY vs DARK in Ro16. It is so sad that some of the should lose, but I of course let's not forget that soO got out just like he knows always what to do.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 12 2018 07:27 GMT
#30
On March 09 2018 16:49 hexhaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 08:11 Waxangel wrote:
How has no one noticed that this is actually about soO?


Look at the title, duh.

I thought this was a setup for the Dark vs soO GSL final that would decide the kong.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33509 Posts
March 18 2018 04:18 GMT
#31
MIZENHAUER THE INFALLIBLE
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 18 2018 04:18 GMT
#32
Dark is the true King of Kong at this point
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
March 18 2018 04:22 GMT
#33
On March 18 2018 13:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Dark is the true King of Kong at this point

He's the Kong of Kongs, he's second to soO in Kongness.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 18 2018 04:29 GMT
#34
On March 12 2018 16:27 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 16:49 hexhaven wrote:
On March 09 2018 08:11 Waxangel wrote:
How has no one noticed that this is actually about soO?


Look at the title, duh.

I thought this was a setup for the Dark vs soO GSL final that would decide the kong.


Surely whoever is the second best Kong is really the #1? After that it's a paradox
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33509 Posts
March 20 2018 01:40 GMT
#35
It's sort of amazing/sad how often this happens to Dark :'(
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
March 22 2018 15:09 GMT
#36
On March 18 2018 13:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Dark is the true King of Kong at this point


or prince kong
"No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you" - Homer Simpson
yangluphil
Profile Joined July 2015
318 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-22 16:01:24
March 22 2018 15:55 GMT
#37
Dark is my favorite Zerg player but the best Zerg in LoTV has to be Rogue.

Dark is a player with no weakness in his playstyle but has obvious flaws when approaching a series. He is willing to mix in aggressive timing in a long series, but it often appears random, which is good since it keeps opponent guessing but the effectiveness is often 50/50. With a bit more planning, an agressive build which partially resembles a previous build in the same series would be way more lethal.

Dark's games also scream cockiness. It often baffles me how greedy his opening is when it is predictable that the opponent is going to try something non-standard. This is not only apparent in WESG finals, but was also why he got defeated so many times in GSL group stages before.

However these flaws seem to be coachable. If Dark can fix them, he might rival the level of dominance that Rogue had (it's hard to imagine that anyone can surpass Rogue's peak but i would be pleasantly surprised if Dark did).

Oh and by the way, Stats is obviously more consistent than Dark, if by being consistent you don't mean being consistent at losing in big tournaments. It sometimes takes understanding of the game i.e., paying attention to everything else other than micro and engagement to appreciate his brilliance. 50% of his games are boring, true, and so is almost any top tier player. But when he's facing another top player, his game often shows why he's called the professor, each time in a different way. As Zest said in an interview, Stats appears very weak in practice, probably because his control is nothing special, but rises to the occasion when the stake is high. In a way he's sOs with better mechanics (yeah I'm sure sOs would not play as crazily as he does if he had better mechanics) -- he's not scary until he takes you seriously.
Neither party will be missed.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-22 18:17:47
March 22 2018 18:16 GMT
#38
Dark is by far the best LoTV zerg. Being consistantly either the #1 or #2 zerg for the entirely of LoTV's existance is better than being #1 for a few months and barely worth talking about for the rest. Especially considering that Dark was still succeeding when zerg was (by far) the weakest race. Rogue only dominated when zerg became heavily favoured over the other races.

Even in terms of results. The only thing Dark's missing are more trophies. He's made top-4 in 10 premier tournaments in LoTV, Rogue has only made 4. Dark's also suceeded in the harder tournaments (3 starleague finals and 2 GSL ro4s).

In terms of their actual skillset, Rogue is better from a strategic perspective, but not from a macro one. Rogue's ZvP is probably better, but Dark's ZvT is waay ahead.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
March 23 2018 03:31 GMT
#39
On March 23 2018 03:16 Fango wrote:
Dark is by far the best LoTV zerg. Being consistantly either the #1 or #2 zerg for the entirely of LoTV's existance is better than being #1 for a few months and barely worth talking about for the rest. Especially considering that Dark was still succeeding when zerg was (by far) the weakest race. Rogue only dominated when zerg became heavily favoured over the other races.

Even in terms of results. The only thing Dark's missing are more trophies. He's made top-4 in 10 premier tournaments in LoTV, Rogue has only made 4. Dark's also suceeded in the harder tournaments (3 starleague finals and 2 GSL ro4s).

In terms of their actual skillset, Rogue is better from a strategic perspective, but not from a macro one. Rogue's ZvP is probably better, but Dark's ZvT is waay ahead.


Got it backwards. Zerg is favored because Rogue won so much... Which other Zerg won a championship?
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 23 2018 08:52 GMT
#40
On March 23 2018 12:31 DSh1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 03:16 Fango wrote:
Dark is by far the best LoTV zerg. Being consistantly either the #1 or #2 zerg for the entirely of LoTV's existance is better than being #1 for a few months and barely worth talking about for the rest. Especially considering that Dark was still succeeding when zerg was (by far) the weakest race. Rogue only dominated when zerg became heavily favoured over the other races.

Even in terms of results. The only thing Dark's missing are more trophies. He's made top-4 in 10 premier tournaments in LoTV, Rogue has only made 4. Dark's also suceeded in the harder tournaments (3 starleague finals and 2 GSL ro4s).

In terms of their actual skillset, Rogue is better from a strategic perspective, but not from a macro one. Rogue's ZvP is probably better, but Dark's ZvT is waay ahead.


Got it backwards. Zerg is favored because Rogue won so much... Which other Zerg won a championship?



Blizzcon was ZvZ sooO and Rogue. GSL s3 had 1 zerg in ro4, Dark. IEM World had 2 zerg in ro4, Serral and Rogue. This isn't just about rogue, zerg were doing good during nearly all Rogue's victory.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
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