• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:35
CEST 05:35
KST 12:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League28Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War1265.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Server Blocker Terran AddOns placement How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
[Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Rollback Netcode in Brood War GG Lan Fest Sofia, Bulgaria [this November] [Recap] Hive ZvZ in MonstarZ vs Dreams [ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League 2v2v2v2 Tournament Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9680 users

Power Rank: IEM Katowice - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
126 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
February 25 2018 17:29 GMT
#61
I hope a Terran wins, but looking at recent form I doubt that will happen. Tbh I agree with classic being most likely candidate to win.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-25 18:32:40
February 25 2018 18:29 GMT
#62
On February 25 2018 20:00 Mike L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 12:32 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2018 06:51 Mike L wrote:
On February 25 2018 06:06 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2018 04:48 Mike L wrote:
On February 25 2018 02:56 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2018 02:34 Mike L wrote:
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett


By what measure? Maru's GSL performance was better (both reached ro8 yes but Scarlett had an easier group), and results in the IEM/WeSG qualifiers were a lot better than Scarlett's.


it wasn`t better in both stages Maru has not been even able to won his own group with always ranked second, plus that lose match against Keen didn`t spotted him in better light too. yes he did better performance at IEM quali but Scarlett had won IEM event not just simple quali, so at the end the consequence is that she defeated simply more formiddable opponents than Maru by recent time


Maru got second in the group to Classic, who is probably the best player in the world right now. While Scarlett had the easiest group in the ro16. In terms of IEM/WeSG events it's not even questinable that Maru has done better than Scarlett. The fact she won IEM doesn't mean much when you remember she qualified from NA and only beat one korean in the actual event.

Simply put, beating Solar/Dark/Dear/Gumiho in long macro games/series is more impressive than beating sOs and Inno with quick cheese. (How you choose to win doesn't really matter, but one method is more reliable than the other).


for me beating Rogue/soO/Elazer/Serral/sOs/Zest/Innovation in a row in two big tournaments, won IEM and ro16 GSL group is certainly much more impressive than beat Solar/Dark/Dear/Gumiho and achieve nothing


Winning IEM and a GSL group sound incredible on paper until you realise that the only seriously impressive wins she's had were against Innovation and sOs. I don't really know what to say if you think beating sOs and Inno by cheesing every game shows more skill than winning mutliple series against players like Dark, Gumiho, Dear, or Solar that involved both cheese and macro/lategame play

Not to say what Scarlett has done isn't impressive, it really is. But to rank her above Gumiho, Dear, or Maru right now isn't right. Unless you're ranking them based of hype and not how likely they are to do well in the tournament


Wouldn`t you trying to say that Maru in the last few months was more succesfull and intimidating player than Scarlett just because he beats strong players in macro games while Scarlett sometimes used cheeses? You ruin the determinition of logical conclusion by that statement then


Winning in both macro and cheesy games against elite players (Dark, Dear, Gumiho etc) is more impressive than beating a couple (Inno, sOs) exclusively with cheese. It's not that Scarlett "sometimes uses cheese", she's relient on it. She lost the macro games to Dear, aLive, and Maru for example.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 25 2018 19:09 GMT
#63
joke list
Community News
TL+ Member
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
February 25 2018 21:00 GMT
#64
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.


Scarlett beat INnoVation and Zest in the round of 16. Maru beat Dear and Gumiho. I think most would consider the former to be harder to accomplish, so I think she deserves at least #7 on the list given that. I agree about Serral though. Him making the list is pretty generous.
stevemachine17
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
February 26 2018 07:29 GMT
#65
I wasn't expecting classic to be #1, my vote would have been to sos but I didn't realize how classic had been playing lately. I'm excited to watch iem!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
February 26 2018 08:23 GMT
#66
It's time for day1 thread right ?
TL+ Member
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
February 26 2018 08:50 GMT
#67
Surprising to see so many players in the offline qualifiers on the list. Only 4/12 of the ro24 players make an appearance. Bold move writers, let's see if it pays off.
starcraft2.fi
i-MajiN
Profile Joined August 2014
France113 Posts
February 26 2018 08:52 GMT
#68
Why ByuN is replaced ?
Sad to not see him fighting for the crown
MC, Rain, PartinG, SoO, SoulKey, DRG, Leenock, Solar, Bomber, Polt, ByuN, MMA, Taeja, Ryung, FanTaSy // SKT Forever // OGTV#YoGo
jarodtou
Profile Joined July 2016
167 Posts
February 26 2018 08:59 GMT
#69
On February 26 2018 02:11 boski055 wrote:
Why Demuslim not going?

Visa problems, he is going to a different event (WCS final I guess or so) and he doesn't have the time to get the VISA for katowice.. or smth like that, anyhow I don`t get why he need a VISA to Poland. (this is what I heard from his stream, maybe there is more to that)
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation193 Posts
February 26 2018 09:01 GMT
#70
Oh I hope Rogue wins now and shuts up all those mizenhauers about "patchzergs" and "power ranks" authors

User was temp banned for this post.
This man suffers from a bad heart, but I have plenty of medicine.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 26 2018 09:03 GMT
#71
On February 26 2018 18:01 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Oh I hope Rogue wins now and shuts up all those mizenhauers about "patchzergs" and "power ranks" authors


I disagree that he's a patchzerg, but there's no argument to be made for him to be in this ranking. He's done nothing to justify it recently. And recent form is what matters most here.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 26 2018 14:27 GMT
#72
lol Stats knocked out by Soul. The home favorite pulls the upset of the tourney so far!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
February 26 2018 14:42 GMT
#73
We should have a community powerrank powerrank.
Rank the power ranks by their predictive power.
This one's not ranking too well so far, even if I found it quite reasonable on first read
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland965 Posts
February 26 2018 15:23 GMT
#74
A lot of the pros read the PRs and purposefully play better or worse just to spite us.
WriterI shoot events. | http://www.jussi.co/esports
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 26 2018 15:38 GMT
#75
On February 26 2018 17:59 jarodtou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2018 02:11 boski055 wrote:
Why Demuslim not going?

Visa problems, he is going to a different event (WCS final I guess or so) and he doesn't have the time to get the VISA for katowice.. or smth like that, anyhow I don`t get why he need a VISA to Poland. (this is what I heard from his stream, maybe there is more to that)


If he lives in the UK I'd have thought he's free to travel anywhere in Europe?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland965 Posts
February 26 2018 18:02 GMT
#76
Blizzard's competing PR

[image loading]
WriterI shoot events. | http://www.jussi.co/esports
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 26 2018 18:15 GMT
#77
On February 27 2018 03:02 hexhaven wrote:
Blizzard's competing PR

[image loading]

It's not much competition if it doesn't have Classic
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
February 26 2018 18:20 GMT
#78
On February 27 2018 03:02 hexhaven wrote:
Blizzard's competing PR

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

No Classic lol
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
February 26 2018 18:36 GMT
#79
On February 26 2018 18:03 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2018 18:01 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Oh I hope Rogue wins now and shuts up all those mizenhauers about "patchzergs" and "power ranks" authors


I disagree that he's a patchzerg, but there's no argument to be made for him to be in this ranking. He's done nothing to justify it recently. And recent form is what matters most here.

There's also no argument to be made for Serral making it into this ranking and yet he's there
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
February 26 2018 18:38 GMT
#80
On February 27 2018 03:20 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 03:02 hexhaven wrote:
Blizzard's competing PR

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

No Classic lol

This is actually hilarious.
Whoever made this pays very little attention to the scene
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
06:30
Best Games of SC
Clem vs SHIN
herO vs SHIN
Serral vs Solar
Clem vs SHIN
Reynor vs TBD
LiquipediaDiscussion
AI Arena Tournament
01:00
Swiss - Round 6
Laughngamez YouTube
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 224
Livibee 148
Nina 1
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 103
910 53
Terrorterran 51
sOs 27
Noble 16
Icarus 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm222
Other Games
summit1g8013
JimRising 635
WinterStarcraft470
ViBE134
Khaldor108
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick688
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 262
• davetesta23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo717
Other Games
• Shiphtur109
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 25m
OSC
9h 25m
IPSL
12h 25m
BSL Open Qualifier
15h 25m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 7h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.