• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:53
CET 07:53
KST 15:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT25Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book17Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
Do you consider PvZ imbalanced? A new season just kicks off A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Recent recommended BW games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Mexico's Drug War US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2703 users

Power Rank: IEM Katowice - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
126 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 24 2018 15:28 GMT
#21
Katowice is going to be amazing. (hopfully) all the best Koreans, all the the best foreigners, and sorted into round robin groups. This will be the best picture we get all season of the relative strength of the foreigners. It will be glorious slaughter.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
February 24 2018 15:34 GMT
#22
On February 25 2018 00:17 OHGRinho wrote:
Good thing about "Power Rankings" is, they don't matter. They are based on someones opinion who did some analytics, of which we know nothing about. So I don't understand why so many people give a damn.

this is a starcraft forum hosted on a website for esports journalism, so running analytical articles about the current tournament and the players involved is pretty much exactly the kind of content i would expect here. the point is to stimulate discussion and hype?

what i don't understand is why people have to "discredit" power ranks as if the author is claiming they're important. it's just really basic sports journalism which you'll see in any major sport, it's for fun and to be informative to people who don't follow everything daily
TL+ Member
GothGirlGames
Profile Joined September 2017
167 Posts
February 24 2018 15:40 GMT
#23
Hu? top 6 is KR, 8 out of 10 is KR, I don't think this list says "foreigners are on par with koreans" at all.
But sure almost all casters have said that the gap seems to be getting smaller and smaller.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
February 24 2018 15:53 GMT
#24
On February 25 2018 00:40 GothGirlGames wrote:
Hu? top 6 is KR, 8 out of 10 is KR, I don't think this list says "foreigners are on par with koreans" at all.
But sure almost all casters have said that the gap seems to be getting smaller and smaller.

I think I'm the only one who put 3 of the 10 as foreigners. There were quite a few who only put 1, iirc.
Writermaru pls
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
February 24 2018 15:59 GMT
#25
why does it say hours away? sidebar says in 1d 18h?
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
February 24 2018 16:21 GMT
#26
On February 25 2018 00:08 Fango wrote:
Smh at putting Gumiho, Maru, Stats, and Dear below Serral and Scarlett

Yeah it's pretty ridiclous
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
February 24 2018 16:51 GMT
#27
rank 1 aligulac rank 8 in here. (christmassprit)
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 24 2018 17:17 GMT
#28
Wait will Maru be at IEM or not?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 24 2018 17:19 GMT
#29
On February 25 2018 02:17 Musicus wrote:
Wait will Maru be at IEM or not?


He is in the qualifiers, along with a number of other great players.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
February 24 2018 17:34 GMT
#30
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.


same case for Classic - he didn`t won any big tournament last year ( if i`d remember correct) but his recently monstrous results is apparently enough for earning #1 rank in this list.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 17:56:48
February 24 2018 17:56 GMT
#31
On February 25 2018 02:34 Mike L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett


By what measure? Maru's GSL performance was better (both reached ro8 yes but Scarlett had an easier group), and results in the IEM/WeSG qualifiers were a lot better than Scarlett's.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
February 24 2018 18:32 GMT
#32
Scarlett and Serral are better than Rogue now, should have ranked dimaga ahead of Innovation too.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 24 2018 18:50 GMT
#33
On February 25 2018 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 02:17 Musicus wrote:
Wait will Maru be at IEM or not?


He is in the qualifiers, along with a number of other great players.

Okay, I know he hasn't done great for a while, but I'd still put him top 10 right now I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
February 24 2018 19:48 GMT
#34
On February 25 2018 02:56 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 02:34 Mike L wrote:
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett


By what measure? Maru's GSL performance was better (both reached ro8 yes but Scarlett had an easier group), and results in the IEM/WeSG qualifiers were a lot better than Scarlett's.


it wasn`t better in both stages Maru has not been even able to won his own group with always ranked second, plus that lose match against Keen didn`t spotted him in better light too. yes he did better performance at IEM quali but Scarlett had won IEM event not just simple quali, so at the end the consequence is that she defeated simply more formiddable opponents than Maru by recent time
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
February 24 2018 19:52 GMT
#35
On February 25 2018 03:32 Morbidius wrote:
Scarlett and Serral are better than Rogue now, should have ranked dimaga ahead of Innovation too.


Dimaga has not won any IEM tournaments recently iirc.

The last big tournament results were that Scarlett has beaten Rogue, Serral, Elazer (would have played Zest but Elazer knocked him out), SoS, Zest and Innovation in a row. 16-4 in games, hard to ignore that.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 24 2018 21:06 GMT
#36
On February 25 2018 04:48 Mike L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 02:56 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2018 02:34 Mike L wrote:
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett


By what measure? Maru's GSL performance was better (both reached ro8 yes but Scarlett had an easier group), and results in the IEM/WeSG qualifiers were a lot better than Scarlett's.


it wasn`t better in both stages Maru has not been even able to won his own group with always ranked second, plus that lose match against Keen didn`t spotted him in better light too. yes he did better performance at IEM quali but Scarlett had won IEM event not just simple quali, so at the end the consequence is that she defeated simply more formiddable opponents than Maru by recent time


Maru got second in the group to Classic, who is probably the best player in the world right now. While Scarlett had the easiest group in the ro16. In terms of IEM/WeSG events it's not even questinable that Maru has done better than Scarlett. The fact she won IEM doesn't mean much when you remember she qualified from NA and only beat one korean in the actual event.

Simply put, beating Solar/Dark/Dear/Gumiho in long macro games/series is more impressive than beating sOs and Inno with quick cheese. (How you choose to win doesn't really matter, but one method is more reliable than the other).
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland961 Posts
February 24 2018 21:25 GMT
#37
On February 24 2018 23:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 23:33 Elentos wrote:
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.

What has Rogue done this year?

Does the current world champion need results to be perceived highly?


Yes, absolutely.

Here's last year's PR:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/519608-iem-katowice-preview-power-rank
WriterI shoot events. | http://www.jussi.co/esports
Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
February 24 2018 21:51 GMT
#38
On February 25 2018 06:06 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2018 04:48 Mike L wrote:
On February 25 2018 02:56 Fango wrote:
On February 25 2018 02:34 Mike L wrote:
On February 24 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote:
The WCS system is succeding in creating the illusion that foreigners are on par with koreans apparently.
Can't wait for the slaughter.

Reaching the GSL playoffs is apparently enough for Scarlett to get #7 but Maru who did the same in a harder group is somehow not even in the list??
Gumiho, Dear, Rogue, Trap and Impact should all be above Serral.
and btw Maru recent results are little bit worse compared to Scarlett


By what measure? Maru's GSL performance was better (both reached ro8 yes but Scarlett had an easier group), and results in the IEM/WeSG qualifiers were a lot better than Scarlett's.


it wasn`t better in both stages Maru has not been even able to won his own group with always ranked second, plus that lose match against Keen didn`t spotted him in better light too. yes he did better performance at IEM quali but Scarlett had won IEM event not just simple quali, so at the end the consequence is that she defeated simply more formiddable opponents than Maru by recent time


Maru got second in the group to Classic, who is probably the best player in the world right now. While Scarlett had the easiest group in the ro16. In terms of IEM/WeSG events it's not even questinable that Maru has done better than Scarlett. The fact she won IEM doesn't mean much when you remember she qualified from NA and only beat one korean in the actual event.

Simply put, beating Solar/Dark/Dear/Gumiho in long macro games/series is more impressive than beating sOs and Inno with quick cheese. (How you choose to win doesn't really matter, but one method is more reliable than the other).


for me beating Rogue/soO/Elazer/Serral/sOs/Zest/Innovation in a row in two big tournaments, won IEM and ro16 GSL group is certainly much more impressive than beat Solar/Dark/Dear/Gumiho and achieve nothing
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
February 24 2018 22:03 GMT
#39
Massive Scarlett fan, but this is in my estimation the first REAL global tournament we’ve seen in years. I witnessed the foreigner bloodbaths of 2013-2014, and I know better than to get my hopes up here.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we get more than one foreigner in the top 12. I don’t think any will reach top 8.

(Really hoping I’m wrong, and there are foreigners here who have made deep runs before).
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
February 24 2018 22:08 GMT
#40
On February 25 2018 07:03 TheDougler wrote:
Massive Scarlett fan, but this is in my estimation the first REAL global tournament we’ve seen in years. I witnessed the foreigner bloodbaths of 2013-2014, and I know better than to get my hopes up here.

What about Katowice last year?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 171
Temp0 29
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2252
Noble 85
League of Legends
JimRising 671
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1093
m0e_tv374
Other Games
summit1g10074
WinterStarcraft617
C9.Mang0390
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra2780
• Rush1488
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 7m
Wardi Open
5h 7m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 7m
OSC
17h 7m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 5h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo Complete
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.