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Please don't make comments that don't have any content other than 'free life'. They don't contribute to the discussion, and therefore will be moderated from this point on. - The_Templar
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 09:59:09
November 07 2017 09:54 GMT
#41
Oh dear. How am i not surprised.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 07 2017 10:12 GMT
#42
On November 07 2017 18:34 -Kyo- wrote:
kespa is going to kespa jail!!

.... wait what?



Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 17:41 Jj_82 wrote:
B) Why would Lotte need such shady moves to be able to renew their "operating license"?


It probably isn't so much that Lotte gets benefits directly to their 'operating license' but that with donations these people in positions of power within the government can recommend, give discounts, etc. to the company at later times. It's the 'practical' lobbying that happens all the time in America. Spend a few million to sway the opinions and votes of those in power, and later get back hundreds of millions or even billions from that investment.

One thing to note, is that there was a big corruption scandal last/this year where apparently the government was threatening conglomerates with implementing negative policies if they didn't pay up.

But it has been a long time since I followed this so please correct me if I'm wrong.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 13:43:57
November 07 2017 10:26 GMT
#43
First up, I didn't know how close KeSPA high ups were to political power.

On November 07 2017 16:22 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
it has very little to do with esports unfortunately; this is everyday corporate crime.


From reading this OP - and only reading this OP - that seems to be the case. If the allegation is true then KeSPA was just a brown envelope. A convenient way to funnel money from a corporate donor to a politician in return for favours. It is going to be a story worth following to see if that's all that's going on.

Other than that, I'd like to join the voices using this event to push a faith-based political ideology. This ideology is great because it provides me with a template with which I can approach any social, political or economic event, no matter how complex, with a fill-in-the-blanks approach that makes me feel far more informed than I actually am. Not only that, as I gaze out over the heads of the sleeping sheeple, I know I won't be alone, there will always be another alpha sporting the scars of political lobotomy to wink at, before we both gaze up tearfully in to a firmament of billions knowing that the people-who-matter approve.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
nabresrotciv
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom32 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 12:06:04
November 07 2017 12:02 GMT
#44
What happened to the “not guilty untill proven”?. It seems to me that you all consider them guilty already, which is completely wrong.
gg
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 07 2017 12:29 GMT
#45
On November 07 2017 21:02 nabresrotciv wrote:
What happened to the “not guilty untill proven”?. It seems to me that you all consider them guilty already, which is completely wrong.


They've not exactly got the best track record as an organisation so it's no surprise people are assuming.
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xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
November 07 2017 12:36 GMT
#46
The offices wouldn't been raided withouth heavy suspicion and proofs to back it up.

What sucks is that it took so long for police to find it out. This hurts the business' image.
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
November 07 2017 12:48 GMT
#47
If this is the case, another nail into ESports grave. And it sucks... and here I was slowly getting back into it... ugh...
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
nabresrotciv
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom32 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 13:02:52
November 07 2017 13:02 GMT
#48
On November 07 2017 21:29 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 21:02 nabresrotciv wrote:
What happened to the “not guilty untill proven”?. It seems to me that you all consider them guilty already, which is completely wrong.


They've not exactly got the best track record as an organisation so it's no surprise people are assuming.


I follow the scene and I agree about that, but still, having a discussion about someone being gulity before proven is very wrong, no matter how many times they we’re convicted. With your point of view the whole system is wrong, and if you question the system, then, I also question their conviction and say they we’re wrongfully acused and sentenced. It makes no sense, I would rather wait for the conclusion of the trial and then comment on it.
gg
Deleted User 329278
Profile Joined March 2014
123 Posts
November 07 2017 13:03 GMT
#49
On November 07 2017 12:10 Solar424 wrote:
Funny how the most regulated esports system on Earth is also the most crooked.


not funny. logical. sadly.
beepbeeeeeeep
Profile Joined February 2017
145 Posts
November 07 2017 13:30 GMT
#50
On November 07 2017 21:02 nabresrotciv wrote:
What happened to the “not guilty untill proven”?. It seems to me that you all consider them guilty already, which is completely wrong.



People love to throw stones at others, especially if it makes it look like they are taking the moral high ground.



Also, FREE LIFE!
givebacklife
Profile Joined November 2017
2 Posts
November 07 2017 13:41 GMT
#51
this is unexpected and expected at the same time. i always suspected this but always thought to myself, nah, you crazy, no way.

with that being said: FREE LIFE!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 07 2017 13:43 GMT
#52
Amazing,
Zerg for Life
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 07 2017 13:44 GMT
#53
On November 07 2017 21:02 nabresrotciv wrote:
What happened to the “not guilty untill proven”?. It seems to me that you all consider them guilty already, which is completely wrong.


Fair point, post amended.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
November 07 2017 14:04 GMT
#54
Not only Kespa but also a member of new SK president's staff?
*sign*
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
November 07 2017 14:06 GMT
#55
On November 07 2017 21:48 catabowl wrote:
If this is the case, another nail into ESports grave. And it sucks... and here I was slowly getting back into it... ugh...

Corruption is bad, but unless this somehow impacted the actual games, this isn't related to esports at all.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16950 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 14:55:44
November 07 2017 14:42 GMT
#56
meh, there is plenty of match fixing in major pro sports.
a huge # of pro athletes are cheating by using steroids.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4584233-the-fix

the most fun, most honest competition is a pick-up game between your RL friends...whether its football or starcraft
On November 07 2017 21:36 xTJx wrote:
The offices wouldn't been raided withouth heavy suspicion and proofs to back it up.
What sucks is that it took so long for police to find it out. This hurts the business' image.

really eh? in your fantasy world BS search warrants never get falsely executed?
if Kespa can be corrupt so can the cops. OJ Simpson says "hi".

trust no one.
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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
November 07 2017 14:50 GMT
#57
*cough* *cough* *cough*
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
GSTL
Profile Joined August 2016
18 Posts
November 07 2017 15:32 GMT
#58
On November 07 2017 12:10 Solar424 wrote:
Here we go again boys, more corruption in Korean esports. Funny how the most regulated esports system on Earth is also the most crooked.


How do you know it's the most crooked ? Maybe it's most intensively investigated and publicized because it's the most regulated esports system on Earth ?
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
November 07 2017 15:49 GMT
#59
Kespa kespa tsk tsk
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OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
November 07 2017 15:51 GMT
#60
On November 08 2017 00:32 GSTL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 12:10 Solar424 wrote:
Here we go again boys, more corruption in Korean esports. Funny how the most regulated esports system on Earth is also the most crooked.


How do you know it's the most crooked ? Maybe it's most intensively investigated and publicized because it's the most regulated esports system on Earth ?


I am not saying it is, but just because something is heavily regulated and controlled does not mean it isn't susceptible to corruption.
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
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