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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 18 2017 06:47 pvsnp wrote: ByuN not making Blizzcon has set r/starcraft on fire, lots of complaints about region-lock. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://m.popkey.co/a818d6/4Vvbx.gif) I won't blame them, it's a part of the reason I stopped watching foreign SC2 tournaments at all. ______________ For me it's easy, no $O$ on Blizzcon, no me watching it. Maybe if Maru advances. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
This format is a bad idea from the beginning, but they start to open their eyes two years later because ... Sure players like Nerchio True Major etc dont deserve a spot to blizzcon. They arent even top 30 world ... | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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VHbb
692 Posts
 I don't know how WCS is "unwatchable" for you guys.. maybe a bit of an exaggeration? All considered this GSL super tournament seems super high quality, can't wait ! | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On September 18 2017 17:27 Mun_Su wrote: For my part I tried HARD to watch Wcs Foreigners, but it was just unwatchable... how can True or Nerchio be in Blizzcon while Maru Rogue and Classic are battling for a spot... you can consider Blizzcon as Olympic or football Worldcup with paticipants from all countries/regions, not neccessarily all the best ones. Just make it clear, if you want high quality games, watch GSL, SSL and other Korean tournaments. Ro16 and ro8 Blizzcon are more of a showmatch while the true competitive games are ro4 and finals. | ||
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Synchrx
United Kingdom29 Posts
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engesser1
264 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On September 18 2017 17:46 ParksonVN wrote: you can consider Blizzcon as Olympic or football Worldcup with paticipants from all countries/regions, not neccessarily all the best ones. Just make it clear, if you want high quality games, watch GSL, SSL and other Korean tournaments. Ro16 and ro8 Blizzcon are more of a showmatch while the true competitive games are ro4 and finals. In football the regions get positions for participants based on their quality. That's why Europe has 40 % of spots(33 % in 2026). And we're talking about football where there is South America(12 countries + 3 territories get 4.5 spots and 6(!!!) in the future). While Europe is just 10 % of the population of Earth and houses around 25 % of the total sovereign recognized states in the world. Comparing this system to football is offensive as even corrupted FIFA acknowledges there's a difference in skill. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On September 18 2017 17:51 Synchronize` wrote: Classic is definitely a stone in Inno's way. And TIME... He'd have quite a hard time against anybody there IMO.So I think Inno has an easy sweep on his side of the bracket, I actually feel really bad for TIME, doing all this hard work just to get drawn with Inno in the first game lol. sOs also has a good bracket I think, I think it'll be sOs vs the winner of Dark/Stats to face Inno in the finals. sOs massively favoured in PvP. Still hoping my boy Dark can come through and wreck a ton of toss to get to the finals. I think he can get revenge on Inno in ZvT from the GSL. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 18 2017 17:15 DieuCure wrote: Funny how redditors change their mind. This format is a bad idea from the beginning, but they start to open their eyes two years later because ... Sure players like Nerchio True Major etc dont deserve a spot to blizzcon. They arent even top 30 world ... To be fair /r/starcraft is a putrid cesspit of idiocy. I've seen people downvoted hard simply for stating that they like to watch the best games, with no insults, trolling or passive aggression. Reddit in general is a terrible, terrible platform for discussion (exception being the heavily moderated niche subreddits) because dissenting opinion is generally buried regardless of how articulate, polite or even objectively correct (where applicable) it might be. And sometimes you get the opposite effect, which can be just as bad depending on the context. | ||
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IArako
Germany195 Posts
SoS should be able to secure his spot or maybe classic if hes on fire Region lock shouldnt have ever been introduced but its hard to turn back now i still enjoy watching both korean and foreigners but im a bit disappointed by the results of the foreign tournaments this year | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I will say it's tragic that Maru/Rogue/Classic/ByuN can't get in while TRUE does. Someone who could lose 0-4 to any of them. I know I've said this 1000 times but a 12/4 split much better in terms of seeding. We get the few foreigners that actually stand a chance (neeb, serral, elazer), without cutting of koreans that are simply better than any circuit competitor. Having True, violet etc at blizzcon just looks bad Edit: or just use the new warchest $$$ to have more players at blizzcon. | ||
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rotta
5656 Posts
On September 18 2017 17:53 engesser1 wrote: I find this year frustrating. I just can't take it. Maru (the genius) and Rogue (the genius) will beat each other (sighing) in a ro16? While 8 guys from WCS Circuit are not even close with them. I can't take it. Just can't. Might as well go back to invitational like the days of yore. As long as sOs makes it, I'm happy. If not, it's all about Serral. (Barcraft Hki plz!) | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 18 2017 22:54 rotta wrote: Might as well go back to invitational like the days of yore. How can you post something like this with a straight face? Blizzcon is closer to an invitational than to a pure meritocratic tournament simply because only 8 players from the highest level, most competitive region can attend. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On September 18 2017 21:44 207aicila wrote: To be fair /r/starcraft is a putrid cesspit of idiocy. I've seen people downvoted hard simply for stating that they like to watch the best games, with no insults, trolling or passive aggression. Reddit in general is a terrible, terrible platform for discussion (exception being the heavily moderated niche subreddits) because dissenting opinion is generally buried regardless of how articulate, polite or even objectively correct (where applicable) it might be. And sometimes you get the opposite effect, which can be just as bad depending on the context. Obviously, this suberddit ( and reddit in general ) represents the quintessence of dominant good-thinking without a real line of conduct, if not gaining karma by any means following the movements caused by the shepherds. The silliness rate is disconcerting. Just look at the banner, it's ridiculous. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On September 18 2017 18:04 deacon.frost wrote: In football the regions get positions for participants based on their quality. That's why Europe has 40 % of spots(33 % in 2026). And we're talking about football where there is South America(12 countries + 3 territories get 4.5 spots and 6(!!!) in the future). While Europe is just 10 % of the population of Earth and houses around 25 % of the total sovereign recognized states in the world. Comparing this system to football is offensive as even corrupted FIFA acknowledges there's a difference in skill. Doesn't Korea also make up 0.7% population of the world and get 8 out of 16 slots in Blizzcon also ? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 19 2017 01:25 ParksonVN wrote: Doesn't Korea also make up 0.7% population of the world and get 8 out of 16 slots in Blizzcon also ? Representive in terms of number of top players. It's a video game, not the olympics. The places should go to the most skilled players. If you wanna see country vs country watch Nation Wars, WeSG, or GSL vs TW | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 19 2017 02:06 Fango wrote: Representive in terms of number of top players. It's a video game, not the olympics. The places should go to the most skilled players. If you wanna see country vs country watch Nation Wars, WeSG, or GSL vs TW If you wanna watch the most skilled players watch SSL/GSL/korean weekenders. Same argumentation style  Is it completely "fair" that foreigners get 8 spots if we only look at the relative skill levels? No. Do foreigners have the exact same opportunities to get as good as koreans? No. There is no objective fairness in all of this. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
*looking at the bracket* Also RIP Time. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
4 top Koreans from GSL and SSL 4 top foreigners from WCS 8 top players from Korean and WCS rankings combined That would be this year: 4 Koreans: Stats Gumiho Innovation Dark 4 Foreigners: Neeb Elazer Serral Snute 8 combined: soO 7525 TY 7500 herO 5950 sOs 5000 ByuN 4950 Maru 4650 aLive 4625 Classic 4425 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Solar 4425 Rogue 4325 Nerchio 3710 ByuL 3425 Kelazhur 3250 | ||
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