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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10260 Posts
July 31 2017 16:23 GMT
#21
"punishing them heavily with strong mechanics whenever he gets the change."

"When feeling pressured INnoVation has delays his drop in order to get safety cyclones and when felling confident INnoVation has goes for greedy CC first builds"

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
July 31 2017 16:33 GMT
#22
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.
Na jakar me'nah. - sOs - PartinG - Stats
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
July 31 2017 16:36 GMT
#23
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


Innovation has been crushing every match up that isn't TvT lately as far as I've seen. It really only feels like TvT is where he is losing matches.

I can't remember the last time I saw him lose to a Zerg in an offline event.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 16:38:39
July 31 2017 16:37 GMT
#24
TY not on the list but ByuN and herO near the top.... Smh.

The only tournament this year that ByuN has done better than TY is SSl challenge right?

On August 01 2017 01:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


I can't remember the last time I saw him lose to a Zerg in an offline event.


Didn't he lose in SSL to Dark last week
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Kosko_s1
Profile Joined July 2017
1 Post
July 31 2017 16:44 GMT
#25
Great Article :D
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
July 31 2017 16:48 GMT
#26
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
July 31 2017 16:59 GMT
#27
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

that's what happens when you're the best, every lose is against someone well below you
I like starcraft
Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
July 31 2017 17:05 GMT
#28
On August 01 2017 01:48 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)


Valid point I guess. Maybe there's just so much hype around him that I exspect him to steamroll every tournament so I'm always surpised that he doesn't.
Na jakar me'nah. - sOs - PartinG - Stats
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 31 2017 17:08 GMT
#29
Interesting rank. We will see how things pan out in GSL soon. I am not too convinced by ranking innovation no.1. But judging by how often casters/writers tend to "curse" player maybe all is intended.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 17:39:25
July 31 2017 17:11 GMT
#30
Innovation definitely gets results below his actual level atm.
I mentioned it in his fanclub, but the man has ridiculous win% this year, it's even comparable to Flash's 2010 in bw. Ofc i don't expect him to win (almost) everything like Flash did, but he is far, far away from that and should be at least a bit closer.
A ro8 in IEM for example is simply disappointing no matter how you look at it.


But hey there are still GSL, SSL and GSL vs the world, time to get a win and high finishes

IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
July 31 2017 17:33 GMT
#31
On August 01 2017 02:05 Kerdinand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:48 Boggyb wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.

He hasn't won that much? He's won twice as many legitimate premiere tournaments as any Korean since Blizzcon. (The WESG qualifiers were a blood bath, but the main event was not stacked.)


Valid point I guess. Maybe there's just so much hype around him that I exspect him to steamroll every tournament so I'm always surpised that he doesn't.


It's understandable, but don't forget: StarCraft is a hard, demanding game. Even the cream of the crop, in either game, will very very rarely have more than a 70% career winrate average. And even then I'd argue that in SC2 it's inflated for many players by their participation in international online cups.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
July 31 2017 18:00 GMT
#32
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 31 2017 18:12 GMT
#33
Very close between the top 3 in my opinion. A good read as usual
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 31 2017 20:02 GMT
#34
I more or less agree with these rankings, just wished Maru and Showtime would have earned a spot. Nice rankings, thanks.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 20:16:43
July 31 2017 20:16 GMT
#35
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 22:25:02
July 31 2017 22:17 GMT
#36
RIP Zest

Would be interesting to see foreigner 6-10. It's quite hard to determine I think. Would iAsonu make it after his sick IEM performance?

Neosteel Enthusiast
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
July 31 2017 22:19 GMT
#37
On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.


Dude, im not an Inno fan, but its quite clear people try to screw over Innovation in every GSL Ro16 group selection. Maybe theres a reason why ...
Why so serious?
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
July 31 2017 22:22 GMT
#38
On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:
On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN


this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY.
The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose.

The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by.


This tournament will make things clearer for sure. TY, ByuN and Innovation are my favourite players, but I'm tipping either TY or Inno to win this
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 22:52:03
July 31 2017 22:50 GMT
#39
How long has it been since the last one? Been years, I think.

Please don't drop this again. I really enjoy SC2 PR.
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
July 31 2017 23:01 GMT
#40
Neeb won't win Blizzcon nor reach very high in my prediction.

His form could be unpredictable but at its height it is still not enough to close the skill gap with top Koreans. He will fall short even at his absolute peak. I do not want to downplay his achievement but I think Neeb's Kespa cup win is like Marinelord all-killing top Koreans in one night. It's going to be even more unlikely at higher tier tournaments and on a long run.
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