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On August 02 2017 03:04 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2017 01:39 207aicila wrote:On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY. The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose. The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by. And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun) Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form. Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later? It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago. Right, so when Gumiho won GSL then started losing to "lesser" players at IEM and HSC shortly after, why is he on here? Results 3 or 6 months ago matter when a player has been consistant for that time. TY has his WeSG/IEM win, consecutive GSL playoffs, and then a ro4 at IEM. To me, that shows he's stronger than guys like ByuN that don't have any exceptional results but play more often If you really wanna say TY hasn't won a tournament in 4-5 months and so doesn't deserve a spot then fine. But then why is Solar on the list? All he has in an SSL final from last season. Why is Dark on here when he's been going downhill for months? The only justification is that Solar and Dark are in SSL (and TY isn't), which they aren't even doing that well in
Well it's a power rank after all, no sense in asking me why X and Y are there, I didn't make it. In fact I'm more inclined to agree with you on this than with the writer.
At the same time I realize that at that point, who *do you* even put on the PR?
This is why Power Ranks in SC2 are always so weird, and I imagine it's a big part of why they stopped making them (unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that TL staff don't give a shit about SC anymore I guess). When they made PRs for BW it made sense because there were only a few tournaments, happening 2-3 times a year. There was no flying around the globe every month to compete in like 5 different tournament franchises. Sure there was WCG and BlizzCon, but do you really think KeSPA pros would practice too much to own a bunch of white (and Chinese) dudes in a tournament that their team's sponsors couldn't give less of a shit about?
In SC2 you win GSL today only to drop out 1st round the next season, or you get embarrassed by foreigners at DreamHack because of XYZ circumstances (which may or may not be travel-related) only to make GSL finals next month. There's so many events going on all the time (even more if you include online ones) that even the best player will never look good for too long.
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Soo higher than Gummyho lol maybe the most laughable power rank yet.
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On August 02 2017 03:06 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2017 03:04 Fango wrote:On August 02 2017 01:39 207aicila wrote:On August 02 2017 01:37 Elentos wrote:On August 02 2017 00:42 Fango wrote:On August 01 2017 05:16 Elentos wrote:On August 01 2017 03:00 MrWayne wrote:On August 01 2017 01:37 Fango wrote:
TY not on the list but ByuN this ranking must be from an parallel universe where Byun and TY switched IDs.There are no objective reasons to consider Byun to be better than TY. The two reasons TY is so underrated by the most people are that he´s not playing a lot of tournaments and he´s looking like a genius when he wins but unbelievably awful when he lose. The objective reason is that TY has barely played anything in the past few months and so there's practically nothing to judge his 'Power' by. And ByuN has? Because ByuNs best result all year is a ro4 at IEM, which TY also did (along with a year of better results than Byun) Yes. Almost 5 times as many tournament games if we include online (and even offline only, it's more than twice as many). And what their best result across the whole year is doesn't matter when judging players by current form. Seriously, how many times have we seen someone win a tournament only to get crushed in groups the next time they play 3 weeks later? It's always been this way. Doesn't matter what you did 3 or 6 months ago. Right, so when Gumiho won GSL then started losing to "lesser" players at IEM and HSC shortly after, why is he on here? Results 3 or 6 months ago matter when a player has been consistant for that time. TY has his WeSG/IEM win, consecutive GSL playoffs, and then a ro4 at IEM. To me, that shows he's stronger than guys like ByuN that don't have any exceptional results but play more often If you really wanna say TY hasn't won a tournament in 4-5 months and so doesn't deserve a spot then fine. But then why is Solar on the list? All he has in an SSL final from last season. Why is Dark on here when he's been going downhill for months? The only justification is that Solar and Dark are in SSL (and TY isn't), which they aren't even doing that well in Well it's a power rank after all, no sense in asking me why X and Y are there, I didn't make it. In fact I'm more inclined to agree with you on this than with the writer. At the same time I realize that at that point, who *do you* even put on the PR?
A PR should be a kinda rough way of saying "if these guys all entered a tournament today who'd be most likely to win"
The best way to do it is to look at recent tournaments (GSL, SSL, IEM) and see who's played exceptionally/looks like they're in good form. If someone hasn't played in as many tournaments recently, then you look at what they have played in and make a guess from that.
Hence why it makes no sense to have in a player with a lot of average-decent results (ie Solar), but ignore a player with great results that only plays in premier events (ie TY)
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Austria24422 Posts
On August 02 2017 03:12 Toudeleski wrote:
Soo higher than Gummyho lol maybe the most laughable power rank yet.
It's comments like these we write them for 
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Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn
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United States1967 Posts
On August 02 2017 03:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn
It's gonna be an uphill climb, but I have faith.
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#9 Stats playing #1 Inno next SSL.
My guess is 2:1 for Stats.
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Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?
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On August 02 2017 07:17 Phredxor wrote:
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro?
The best micro player in the history of SC2
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Germany3367 Posts
On August 02 2017 13:37 Sakat wrote:The best micro player in the history of SC2
Everyone says so!
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On August 02 2017 15:48 TheOneAboveU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2017 13:37 Sakat wrote:On August 02 2017 07:17 Phredxor wrote:
Yeah but have you seen Byuns micro? The best micro player in the history of SC2 Everyone says so!
Trust me. It's a fact. Just ask Neeb.
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Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)
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On August 02 2017 16:26 RKC wrote:
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)
Nah, ByuN's won a GSL.
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he could win Blizzcon and, would anyone be truly surprised?
Errrr, yes.
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On August 02 2017 16:26 RKC wrote:
Byun is the new Taeja (aka PR Bonjwa)
You dare mock the god TaeJa? Blasphemy.
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Germany3367 Posts
On August 03 2017 01:01 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:You dare mock the god TaeJa? Blasphemy.
Don't worry, the Inquisition is on his heels right as we speak. All Heretics shall be terminated.
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Canada2764 Posts
On August 02 2017 03:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Mizenhauer asked us yesterday in the twitch chat to make predictions about which writer wrote what part of the PR.
While i read a lot of your things i still think it's pretty hard, damn
If it's WCS, it's Soul.
Not sure whether to be offended or complimented that not many are complaining about the WCS PR.
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I think both PRs are reasonable enough, the first one is also kinda hard to do because nobody really knows what results to count, etc.
Now the next one one month later will be easier to criticize :D
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On August 01 2017 01:33 Kerdinand wrote:
Is it just me who thinks that Innovation is heavily overrated? Everybody always says "Wow, Innovation, so stronk, unbeatable", but still he hasnt won that much and always seems to lose to people ranked way below him.
I guess you didn't watch SSL and VSL ss2 did you ? The way he won by crushing 4-0 and 4-1 Solar and Soo made people call him unbeatable, but ofc everyone can fall short.
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EPT
