GSL Super Tournament - Qualifiers Complete - Page 3

On March 30 2017 05:42 Charoisaur wrote:

switch aLive and Ryung and I agree.
Ryung isn't really that impressive outside of tvt.

On March 30 2017 06:05 pvsnp wrote:

Yeah I was going to say this. Ryung 2-0'd Zest twice after all, and managed to take two games off of Stats, the best PvT player by far.

And I would say his TvT is overrated. Sure he beat ByuN and Maru, but neither of them have world-class TvT even though they are arguably world-class Terrans.

Even though most people speak of ByuN, Maru, TY, and INnoVation in one breath, TY and Inno are measurably stronger than ByuN and Maru right now, especially in TvT. While TY has the best TvP and Inno has the best TvZ, both of them are at the very least just as good as Ryung/Gumiho/aLive in TvT, something which can't be said for ByuN and Maru. At this point, I'd argue that there's some pretty solid justification for splitting up the "Four Horsemen" because Inno and TY are a level above (and the only other players on their level are Stats and Dark).

Coming back from that digression, Inno crushed Ryung 3-0 at IEM and 2-0 in the Super qualifiers; Ryung has good TvT but it's hardly the best in the world.

On March 30 2017 08:11 LaughNgamez wrote:
Lots of complaints about Terran being broken yet no one mentions how VSL is the exact opposite in favor of Toss. 8-4-4 cherry picking at its finest.

On March 30 2017 11:32 zealotstim wrote:
Sweet equal distribution haha terran zerg toss and terran. Honestly the main ones I can think of who are missing are Classic and sOs. Who else was there?

On March 30 2017 11:02 pvsnp wrote:

.....Terran usually produces the best matchups (TvZ by far most entertaining matchup), but TvT is awful to watch. Just poking and prodding until bam-doomdrop-gg. It's so luck-dependent, so scouting-dependent, that it's basically down to whomever makes the first mistake loses. Even guys like TY or INnoVation can't manage much better than that.

Also, there's the loathsome aspect where lesser Terrans defeat superior Terrans and then get stomped by the top Protoss/Zerg players that otherwise would have produced great matches against the top Terrans but alas they got sniped. I hate it so much when that happens.

On March 30 2017 11:02 pvsnp wrote:

.....Terran usually produces the best matchups (TvZ by far most entertaining matchup), but TvT is awful to watch. Just poking and prodding until bam-doomdrop-gg. It's so luck-dependent, so scouting-dependent, that it's basically down to whomever makes the first mistake loses. Even guys like TY or INnoVation can't manage much better than that.

Also, there's the loathsome aspect where lesser Terrans defeat superior Terrans and then get stomped by the top Protoss/Zerg players that otherwise would have produced great matches against the top Terrans but alas they got sniped. I hate it so much when that happens.