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These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point.
WEST
Seoul to LA = ~137ms
LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms
Central
Austin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR.
US East
clearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match.
US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe.
So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations.
Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West.
France vs KR is probably best played on US West.
Well I realized I was wrong about general fact that EU is closer to NA than KR right after I saw google map. If it was KR vs Ukraine or Finland, it would be fair match to played on NA central.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:32 Liquid`Snute wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 06:43 TheHumanLife wrote:Completely depends on where in EU you are and if it's NA West, Central or East. The statement that the ping from EU to NA is better than KR to NA in general is not true. obviously, France is one of the most closet country to NA. And any EU countries are much closer to America than from Korea. It is very true in general. Glad to see this brought up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/78lYNt9.png) These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point. WESTSeoul to LA = ~137ms LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms CentralAustin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR. US Eastclearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match. US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe. So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations. Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West. France vs KR is probably best played on US West. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4FItpWT.png)
NA Central is Chicago which is more EU favoured than Austin or Dallas. This is a good argument for US West being the default. It could however screw over some Europeans whose ISPs take suboptimal routes due to where they are compared to major cities (Korea is better connected, so it isn't as much of a worry on that side).
On December 08 2016 07:43 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point.
WEST
Seoul to LA = ~137ms
LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms
Central
Austin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR.
US East
clearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match.
US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe.
So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations.
Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West.
France vs KR is probably best played on US West.
Well I realized I was wrong about general fact that EU is closer to NA than KR right after I saw google map. If it was KR vs Ukraine or Finland, it would be fair match to played on NA central.
Look at a network tool, not a map. Maps aren't too far off when it comes to EU-NA and KR-NA, but they can be when you look at other parts of the world. For example Brazil-NA is noticeably worse than a map tells you.
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Look at a network tool, not a map. Maps aren't too far off when it comes to EU-NA and KR-NA, but they can be when you look at other parts of the world. For example Brazil-NA is noticeably worse than a map tells you.
it doesn't give u much difference about distance and connection, but it can be clear information. And I am surprised France actually has even bit better connection than from Korea in US west.
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Hopefully the US doesn't mess up and vote Nathanias onto the team instead of Neeb this time.
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Slightly strange that they are doing it despite knowing that balance changes can occur at any time during December, but I guess that's not an issue
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:54 TheHumanLife wrote:Show nested quote +Look at a network tool, not a map. Maps aren't too far off when it comes to EU-NA and KR-NA, but they can be when you look at other parts of the world. For example Brazil-NA is noticeably worse than a map tells you. it doesn't give u much difference about distance and connection, but it can be clear information. And I am surprised France actually has even bit better connection than from Korea in US west.
If I had to guess it's because the main cable from Korea to the US goes from Geoje to Oregon, so to the line isn't as straight from KR->Oregon->LA compared to France->New Jersey->LA.
On December 08 2016 07:59 Liquid`Snute wrote:Thanks ZigguratOfUr  if Central is Chicago then that makes central a bit more rough for players from KR. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rJXcTwU.png) I don't know what the actual ping (in-game, not in the menu screen) from KR to West/Central is like in practice sadly. At the end of the day it's important to ask players what their actual in-game values are IMO. And the only way to get reliable values is to load up SC2, be in a custom game on the correct server for 2 minutes and then read the CTRL-F values in the top left.
Blizzard likely has a bunch of telemetry concerning this, so maybe someone could ask them.
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Nation Wars has always been a very good tournament.
Is there a poll for the winner?
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Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest...
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On December 08 2016 08:43 ParksonVN wrote:
Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest...
I mean France won last time dude
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Hypuuuuu <3 ! So nice to see that event come back its going to be awesoooooome !
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On December 08 2016 09:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 08:43 ParksonVN wrote:
Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest... I mean France won last time dude
Was it MarineLord playing really well or Korea just playing really bad?
Not to mention Innovation and Zest are nowhere near the monsters they once were. They're still good, but I would put Dark and Byun above them by a decent margin.
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Canada8991 Posts
Yay! Great announcement, I hope we get some great team!
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On December 08 2016 09:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 08:43 ParksonVN wrote:
Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest... I mean France won last time dude
yeah but Hydra, PartinG and Inno aren't really the monsters in LotV.
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United States97277 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:34 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 09:23 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On December 08 2016 08:43 ParksonVN wrote:
Its funny how people still think foreingers have chance to take down the team with monsters like Innivation, Byun, Dark, Zest... I mean France won last time dude Was it MarineLord playing really well or Korea just playing really bad? Not to mention Innovation and Zest are nowhere near the monsters they once were. They're still good, but I would put Dark and Byun above them by a decent margin.
to be fair to Innovation he is playing quite well in online cups these days. Just won another Leifeng Cup this morning beating Dark, Zest, and herO on the way to the title
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I wonder if I can get Has all 3 slots for Taiwan
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On December 08 2016 14:59 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder if I can get Has all 3 slots for Taiwan
Kaelaris will be eternally grateful to you if you manage to pull that off.
otherwise i dont mind sen and has take the 3 slots
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On December 08 2016 14:59 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder if I can get Has all 3 slots for Taiwan
has, Has, hAs, haS, HAs, hAS, HaS, HAS - 8 candidates here you go, let's see which three get picked
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MLord, All-Kill Korean again ?
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EPT
