EPTNation Wars 4 Announced - Page 3
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
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hyuu
163 Posts
Not even closed to be bias I am just saying truth. KR team had to play in 5-7 AM at KR time without sleeping and play with other server with bad ping which give them a lot of disadvantage. How's that bias? I thought only foreigners are incredibly bias to their players vs korean players. you're confused with the uber-incredible-OMFG-too wuch much biaised towards koreans, but that's ok i fucking like you, you are starting to build that tease, that thing undefinable around nation wars... you are so biaised for koreans !!! let me tell you that once again they're not going to win this. last time france didn't event let them win a single game, and this time i can tell you that poland will take this EZPZ ! Go Polaaand ! | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Ya but I don't watch OGaming so I don't know if he's good at it or not | ||
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Topin
Peru10129 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ya but I don't watch OGaming so I don't know if he's good at it or not he should start his wcs 2017 campaing right now, blizz is behind schedule | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ya but I don't watch OGaming so I don't know if he's good at it or not You should, it's the best sc2 tv  and you can learn french listening to them (wouallez la road to poutre!) | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On December 08 2016 05:53 Topin wrote: Aeromi tournament director too much passion gl!Adds live producer for the English cast too. Anyway guys, if you have questions feel free to ask. On December 08 2016 06:10 Solar424 wrote: What countries get invited, or do they all have to qualify? France and Korea are invited, 14 nations will qualify. | ||
Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:13 Aeromi wrote: Adds live producer for the English cast too. Anyway guys, if you have questions feel free to ask. France and Korea are invited, 14 nations will qualify. I have a question : NW4 is great, but what about Iron Squid 3  | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On December 08 2016 05:56 TheHumanLife wrote: I know it is played on NA and it is actually not even. EU is much closer to NA, playing from KR has even worse ping than from EU to play on NA. (one of my EU friend told me playing NA isn't that bad for him) Kr had even worse ping than Mlord had actually. Mlord mainly played well but it is true. Sadly, he couldn't fight back in kespa cup which is offline (0-4), the only foreigner who made Koreans shocked is Neeb so far. Completely depends on where in EU you are and if it's NA West, Central or East. The statement that the ping from EU to NA is better than KR to NA in general is not true. | ||
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
NU NES NA! NU NES NA! | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Completely depends on where in EU you are and if it's NA West, Central or East. The statement that the ping from EU to NA is better than KR to NA in general is not true. obviously, France is one of the most closet country to NA. And any EU countries are much closer to America than from Korea. It is very true in general. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:43 TheHumanLife wrote: obviously, France is one of the most closet country to NA. And any EU countries are much closer to America than from Korea. It is very true in general. Games were played on NA Central which is the fairest server. We could not do better. | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1387 Posts
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Games were played on NA Central which is the fairest server. We could not do better. I am not saying it's the fault of O'gaming at all. If it was not even NA west, and played on NA Central, then it is where France is way closer than from Korea. Just look at google map. Even NA west looks much fair for both side than NA central... | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:49 TheHumanLife wrote: I am not saying it's the fault of O'gaming at all. If it was not even NA west, and played on NA Central, then it is where France is way closer than from Korea. Just look at google map. Even NA west looks much fair for both side than NA central... Looking at maps can be very misleading due to how ASes are distributed, but I would argue that NA West is probably the "fairest" server for Korea vs France. But if you look at European countries in general NA West favors Korea slightly, whereas NA Central favors Europe, but even then it can vary a lot for individuals. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Looking at maps can be very misleading due to how ASes are distributed, but I would argue that NA West is probably the "fairest" server for Korea vs France. But if you look at European countries in general NA West favors Korea slightly, whereas NA Central favors Europe, but even then it can vary a lot for individuals. NA west favors korea, but only about 1/20 difference. But in NA central, France is 1/3 closer than from Korea. Which one do you think is more fair? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 08 2016 07:04 TheHumanLife wrote: NA west favors korea, but only about 1/20 difference. But in NA central, France is 1/3 closer than from Korea. Which one do you think is more fair? Can't you read? I said that NA West is generally the fairest for Korea vs France, but that this isn't the case for all EU countries. And since the specific ISP and location of the individual players has a large impact on the latency, figuring out what is "fairest" in each case is problematic which is why they just go for NA Central as a general rule. | ||
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TheHumanLife
138 Posts
Can't you read? I said that NA West is generally the fairest for Korea vs France, but that this isn't the case for all EU countries. And since the specific ISP and location of the individual players has a large impact on the latency, figuring out what is "fairest" in each case is problematic which is why they just go for NA Central as a general rule. well that general rule is the excuse to make look like it was fair match. I don't mean to disparage how Mlord played well in nations war final. He deserves that win cuz 5-0 is very impressive score no matter who had more advantage, but let's be honest it wasn't fair match like Neeb winning kespa cup in Korea in offline. Hopefully, foreigners can prove this time in nation war 4 in offline ro4 and final, so another shocking for Koreans 2nd time after Neeb's kespa cup. (not that much surprise though) Honestly, nobody cared much about Nation wars 3 results in Korea. Actually many fans already predicted Kr team was not even best line up and can fall even before final due to online tournament, where very random results mostly happen, and anybody can beat anybody due to various reasons. | ||
Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
On December 08 2016 06:43 TheHumanLife wrote: obviously, France is one of the most closet country to NA. And any EU countries are much closer to America than from Korea. It is very true in general. Glad to see this brought up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/78lYNt9.png) These are approximates from some random site i found online but it roughly checks out. For actual sc2, add about 30-50ms. But it's to prove a point. WEST Seoul to LA = ~137ms LA to Amsterdam = ~144ms Central Austin? Dallas? I have no clue where the US central server is located but lets just assume Austin as a decent centerpoint). A bit biased towards EU. Central might be fair though for Eastern Europe vs KR. US East clearly favored towards most, if not all of EU in an EU vs KR match. US West is hardly biased towards anyone, if anything it might be tougher for Europeans that aren't as close to the atlantic subsea cables. KR to US West is in general not the worst out there, I'd say EU players have a higher chance of being screwed over by a slow/crappy route especially if you're living in the eastern parts of Europe. So if you want to be nice, the further east someone from Europe plays, the more fair it is to play on US Central, or do WEST-CENTRAL-WEST rotations. Personally I play from Oslo, Norway -> US West and I get about 170ms. Most likely slightly higher than Seoul -> US West. France vs KR is probably best played on US West. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4FItpWT.png) | ||
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