• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:22
CET 13:22
KST 21:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 282HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career
Tourneys
The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2153 users

NonY to return to SC2 - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
201 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 Next All
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-07 16:42:35
December 07 2016 16:42 GMT
#81
On December 07 2016 23:19 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:12 klimuszko wrote:
Oh dear God, he won a tournament in 2009. That's superduper important, thank God game didn't collapse while he was in the retirement.


A better way to think about it is that he was the best non-Korean player for a while, during a pretty competitive time (IdrA, SEn, Jian Fei, Mondragon etc).


Idra was the best, by far, after 2 years in Korea. If Nony was ever the best, it was short lived. He also went to Korea to be on a pro team. While you have to be amazing to even do that, how many trained in Korea? Him, idra and Ret. It was a big advantage, I'd imagine...

However, in SC 2, lots of players have done so. Everyone is talking about Nony as if he has never played SC 2 before. I don't see why so much focus is on BW, compared to what he actually did in SC 2 when he was already trying to accomplish this feat...

1) Idra couldn't qualify for WCS. 2) Nony wasn't at a WCS level when his job was to train for said things. I think Nony has great mechanics and the mind for it, but the fact I've yet to see him as a high GM on NA is concerning. Then add in a hiatus from the game? Then add in the atrocious balance for macro Toss players... lots of challenges.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
December 07 2016 16:49 GMT
#82
On December 08 2016 01:42 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:19 207aicila wrote:
On December 07 2016 23:12 klimuszko wrote:
Oh dear God, he won a tournament in 2009. That's superduper important, thank God game didn't collapse while he was in the retirement.


A better way to think about it is that he was the best non-Korean player for a while, during a pretty competitive time (IdrA, SEn, Jian Fei, Mondragon etc).


Idra was the best, by far, after 2 years in Korea.


H2H says otherwise... oh wait, I remember you, you're that IdrA fanboy. Carry on.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-07 17:02:20
December 07 2016 16:59 GMT
#83
On December 08 2016 01:49 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 01:42 playa wrote:
On December 07 2016 23:19 207aicila wrote:
On December 07 2016 23:12 klimuszko wrote:
Oh dear God, he won a tournament in 2009. That's superduper important, thank God game didn't collapse while he was in the retirement.


A better way to think about it is that he was the best non-Korean player for a while, during a pretty competitive time (IdrA, SEn, Jian Fei, Mondragon etc).


Idra was the best, by far, after 2 years in Korea.


H2H says otherwise... oh wait, I remember you, you're that IdrA fanboy. Carry on.


Idra fan boy? Even I beat Idra, after he was in Korea for years. T vs P is stupid hard. You can lose to anyone. If that H2H is even close, he's the better player in my eyes.

I like Nony. I BM with Idra every game. I have no reason to fan boy the guy. It is what it is. Both great players, but Idra reached a point where he literally didn't lose to anyone that wasn't a Korean A Teamer.

I'm not trying to hate, I just don't quite understand it. It's not like he pulled a mondragon where he simply dabbled in SC 2, so you have no idea what he might be capable of.

If you're not an aggro monkey, life is really hard for a Toss player atm. The god of ladder, Minigun, is barely even in GM now... so I have reservations.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
December 07 2016 17:11 GMT
#84
On December 07 2016 23:17 klimuszko wrote:
Why should I leave this topic? It's just funny that he achieved/did nothing in sc2 and yet u all behave like some kind of god is coming back.

I guess if fe Naama returns there is gonna be a topic also? After all he won the first dh, so he is entitled to it following tl logic.

Naama is a god so he definitely would deserve a topic
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
December 07 2016 17:16 GMT
#85
On December 08 2016 02:11 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:17 klimuszko wrote:
Why should I leave this topic? It's just funny that he achieved/did nothing in sc2 and yet u all behave like some kind of god is coming back.

I guess if fe Naama returns there is gonna be a topic also? After all he won the first dh, so he is entitled to it following tl logic.

Naama is a god so he definitely would deserve a topic

Rumour has it that any time naama's name is spoken anywhere in the world, luolis sits with his notebook waiting to once again learn ladder hero builds
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
December 07 2016 17:23 GMT
#86
On December 07 2016 23:00 klimuszko wrote:


What makes him super important to the scene? Genuine question as I'm very interested in finding out.



You're not being genuine or interested in finding out. You just want to trash on this thread because you don't feel its newsworthy. If you really were genuine, you wouldn't have replied with this asinine comment aftewards

Oh dear God, he won a tournament in 2009. That's superduper important, thank God game didn't collapse while he was in the retirement.


The sarcasm is dripping from your words.

You're being an asshole.

To some of us, Nony returning is great news. In fact, I would say many. Yes MANY TLers are happy about his return. We don't care about what he won, or his list of acheivements. We care that Tyler has always treated people with respect. He takes the time to read comments, and always address the argument. He never uses adhominem or straw man fallacies, nor does he disrespect others. I am a fan of Nony the person, not Nony the progamer.

You obviously are indifferent, but for some reason choose to be an asshole about the thread. If its not important to you, just don't comment. Honestly, I feel you should be banned for being such a douchebag, but unfortunately I am not a mod.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 07 2016 17:34 GMT
#87
NonY returning would definitely make me more interested in actually following the scene. He's from the old guard of professionals I actually felt a connection to and followed when I was aspiring to get good at the game. Alas, I topped out at top 8 diamond :p
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
December 07 2016 17:41 GMT
#88
DO IT ! :D
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 07 2016 17:47 GMT
#89
On December 07 2016 23:21 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 23:17 klimuszko wrote:
Why should I leave this topic? It's just funny that he achieved/did nothing in sc2 and yet u all behave like some kind of god is coming back.

I guess if fe Naama returns there is gonna be a topic also? After all he won the first dh, so he is entitled to it following tl logic.


I understand the point that you're trying to make with respect to his lacking SC2 career. The reason people are as respectful and potentially excited when it comes to NonY, is that he looked more impressive in BW than any SC2 foreigner has looked in SC2.

It's impossible to tell whether determination alone will allow him to reach the same level in this game, but the potential is there.


wtf... that's not true. yea he had an okay courage run but his peak wasn't even the highest foreigner peak in bw whereas sc2 foreigners have legitimately been in the running for the best in the world at points?
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-07 17:53:49
December 07 2016 17:52 GMT
#90
On December 07 2016 23:12 klimuszko wrote:
Oh dear God, he won a tournament in 2009. That's superduper important, thank God game didn't collapse while he was in the retirement.


Idra? Is this your smurf account? Still active? ;-P

Good luck NonY
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 07 2016 17:54 GMT
#91
On December 07 2016 15:08 a_flayer wrote:
I don't see it happening, he hasn't particularly impressed me at any point in his SC2 career. Too many young dedicated kids that are far more competitive than him. Best of luck tho.


Same. I wish him the best but I'm not sure he's got what it takes to make it in SC2.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
December 07 2016 18:07 GMT
#92
He can do it.

See you at Blizzcon NonY
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
December 07 2016 18:26 GMT
#93
I'm incredibly pumped about this news - Love NonY!
moose...indian
klimuszko
Profile Joined January 2016
24 Posts
December 07 2016 18:38 GMT
#94
I see some of you take some questions and a bit of sarcasm, a little bit to yourself.

To straight things out.

I've heard of Nony as I watch the scene since wol. My point wasn't to attack anybody. I checked tl bw/sc2 sites, 5 noticable places in bw tournaments, some ro's in sc2, googled to find out he was once suspended while being in teamliquid, and was just surprised. What's the big deal about that he's coming back.

Now I know a bit more, thanks to some who actually cared to response in a normal manner instead of dropping link to bw tournament that happened 7 years ago.

And I'm happy as usual that some people still come to this game and try, with it's current state as we all know it. I would LOVE for Naama to comeback, finals vs mana on that first dh were awesome! Comparison was just to point out my point of view.

Cheers
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
December 07 2016 18:41 GMT
#95
On December 08 2016 03:38 klimuszko wrote:
I see some of you take some questions and a bit of sarcasm, a little bit to yourself.

To straight things out.

I've heard of Nony as I watch the scene since wol. My point wasn't to attack anybody. I checked tl bw/sc2 sites, 5 noticable places in bw tournaments, some ro's in sc2, googled to find out he was once suspended while being in teamliquid, and was just surprised. What's the big deal about that he's coming back.

Now I know a bit more, thanks to some who actually cared to response in a normal manner instead of dropping link to bw tournament that happened 7 years ago.

And I'm happy as usual that some people still come to this game and try, with it's current state as we all know it. I would LOVE for Naama to comeback, finals vs mana on that first dh were awesome! Comparison was just to point out my point of view.

Cheers


His results aside, he was and is part of the liquid family with many fans liking him so why not he could try again?
twitch.tv/pharaphobia
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
December 07 2016 18:48 GMT
#96
not read any of the previous posts but as someone who has followed the scene even before tl was the main goto for sc2, nony didnt do anything! Im pretty sure he was on tl (quite literally writing from memory here but im insta responding to the headline) and he won a tournament around the beta or at least in the first year of the game.

Nony only came up on any radar was when he beat idra i think, but at that time everyone was super pissed off with protoss and dare i say it, it nearly was the death of the game there and then but then something happened with the queens and zerg started to come back.

I seemed to remember everyone hating drops and not knowing how to deal . . . .they didnt have a fucking goFast button then!

im responding because the game is literally in bad shape at the minute, and then someone who didnt do anything is coming back? Back to what? and i just cant bare to scroll up and see all the <3 nonY fucking messages. I do wish him well but i think the best of this game is certainly behind us now
klimuszko
Profile Joined January 2016
24 Posts
December 07 2016 18:49 GMT
#97
He should if he wishes, nobody can't stop him, and I wish him all the luck! But it's gonna be very, very hard to do. To get at blizzcon? Look at top8 from world, all world class players who practice since a loooooooong time.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7157 Posts
December 07 2016 18:49 GMT
#98
On December 08 2016 02:16 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 02:11 Luolis wrote:
On December 07 2016 23:17 klimuszko wrote:
Why should I leave this topic? It's just funny that he achieved/did nothing in sc2 and yet u all behave like some kind of god is coming back.

I guess if fe Naama returns there is gonna be a topic also? After all he won the first dh, so he is entitled to it following tl logic.

Naama is a god so he definitely would deserve a topic

Rumour has it that any time naama's name is spoken anywhere in the world, luolis sits with his notebook waiting to once again learn ladder hero builds

The rumour may, or may not be true
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
AVirtualGigolo
Profile Joined December 2016
12 Posts
December 07 2016 18:52 GMT
#99
He better start hitting that training hard. I always loved watching Tyler do well and hope he can break through to blizzcon. It's a monumental task.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
December 07 2016 19:05 GMT
#100
This is Yuge!!! Finally something good is happening in 2016 :D
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Playoffs
YoungYakov vs MaxPaxLIVE!
ByuN vs herO
SHIN vs Classic
Creator vs Cure
WardiTV431
Rex80
IntoTheiNu 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 154
ProTech123
Rex 80
trigger 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42914
Killer 5330
Sea 2238
Rain 2102
Horang2 1450
Flash 1446
Hyuk 1424
Bisu 1152
Jaedong 857
BeSt 850
[ Show more ]
Snow 621
Soma 320
Stork 315
Larva 302
Leta 262
actioN 245
Soulkey 220
Light 206
Last 175
Mini 173
firebathero 158
Hyun 151
hero 101
JYJ 93
Aegong 74
Rush 73
Shuttle 61
Mind 60
NotJumperer 50
Sea.KH 47
Sharp 39
ToSsGirL 34
[sc1f]eonzerg 33
IntoTheRainbow 31
JulyZerg 31
Backho 28
sSak 26
Free 21
Icarus 18
zelot 16
GoRush 15
sorry 14
Shinee 12
SilentControl 8
910 8
Terrorterran 8
HiyA 8
Dota 2
singsing1049
XcaliburYe113
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1599
zeus565
x6flipin364
allub211
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King460
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor179
Other Games
B2W.Neo1336
crisheroes259
RotterdaM227
Hui .144
Pyrionflax128
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1671
lovetv 19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos4563
• Stunt1181
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 38m
RongYI Cup
1d 22h
herO vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.