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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
October 18 2016 03:16 GMT
#141
On October 18 2016 12:15 lichter wrote:
[image loading]

well unless full bwHD proleague comes back


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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
October 18 2016 03:16 GMT
#142
On October 18 2016 12:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On October 18 2016 12:11 Solar424 wrote:
On October 18 2016 12:08 Charoisaur wrote:
I don't understand... sc2 is such a great game... why? why does this need to happen??

Because it wasn't as great as Brood War. Not even close.

yet afaik you don't watch bw, you just spend all day on every sc2 stream bitching about some balance thing or another. people like you don't help, be quiet.

I'm sorry I want this game to be good.
CometNine
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand87 Posts
October 18 2016 03:16 GMT
#143
On October 18 2016 11:46 SlammerIV wrote:
Very sad but not unexpected, it seems Korean fans just do not care about Starcraft2

Before everyone jumps on the Blizzard/WCS hate train remember proleague is almost 100% funded by Korean companies, with Korean fans moving away from sc2 to overwatch and LoL etc there is just no reason for Korean companies, which only care about the Korean viewers, to continue funding an expensive sc2 tournament. The WCS changes have pretty much nothing to do with the health of Teams like SKT or KT, they literally could care less about a Dreamhack tournament in Europe.

Also iirc Blizzard has actually provided more total prize pool inside Korea(where Korean sponsers actually care) in 2016 compared to 2015.



I'd like to +1 this post. I've watched proleague religiously since it was broadcast on spotv. It was great watching SPL at 9/10pm and falling off to sleep at some stage during the broadcast. The times lined up perfectly with NZ.

The great thing about the spotv broadcast was that they had the esports.tv youtube channel and that gave me some idea of the Korean viewership. Sadly, those numbers have decreased and decreased over the last 2 years.

The writing has been on the wall for sometime. SC2 has had next to no new Talent for the last 2 years. It's been the same veterans of the scene doing well over and over again.

With the advent and popularity of the MOBAs like LoL, Dota2 and Overwatch - RTS is a dying genre. Given that the talent for pro-gaming stems from an early age (think kids in their Teenage years), I think you'd be hard pressed to find kids playing any RTS game now when they can play 5v5 with their mates in League Dota or Overwatch.

I actually find myself playing Dota2 and Guildwars 2 significantly more than starcraft and have been for a while now purely because of the social experience where I can play with multiple friends.
Naturally I watch Dota2 and some GW2 proleague now too as I play both those games. I'd be inclined to think that other players of Dota2, League and Overwatch would do likewise - and as such their audiences are likely to be growing.

From a Financial point of view - all 5 sponsor companies - SKT, KT, CJ, Samsung and Chickenmaru + Hot6 (MVP) would find that their investments will see a larger return if they invest in League or Overwatch (iirc - Dota2 in Korea isn't that large...yet? Maybe we'll see some pro-dota teams and the resumption of KDL?).

In anycase, Starcraft II will always have a special place in my heart. I almost very nearly did a dissertation on the game and its role popularising the global esports scene...ended up having to do something more "Practical" (damn you supervisors at my university!)

As for the SC2 fans keeping the game alive - unfortunately, SC2 will never have the same nostalgia factor as BW and this may very well be the end in Korea at least.

I can only hope some of the individual competition remains next year, else SC2 will be very very sad.
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halomonian
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil255 Posts
October 18 2016 03:16 GMT
#144
On October 18 2016 12:15 lichter wrote:
[image loading]

well unless full bwHD proleague comes back


inb4 hybrid Legacy/BWHD proleague
thoughts in chaos | enjOy[dream]
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
October 18 2016 03:17 GMT
#145
lets stand together and support sc2, lets not let it die guys. I will always love sc2. KEEP SUPPORTING SC2!
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 18 2016 03:18 GMT
#146
Expect SSL and GSL to follow suit, they might have 1 more year of it in them but that's only with blizzard support, could be done as we speak
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
October 18 2016 03:18 GMT
#147
Well, isn't there a mod starbow or something...?

Did they venture into this..?
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17729 Posts
October 18 2016 03:18 GMT
#148
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r_gg
Profile Joined August 2015
141 Posts
October 18 2016 03:18 GMT
#149
On October 18 2016 12:09 BigFan wrote:
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On October 18 2016 12:09 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Nice lots more players switching back to brood war

pretty inappropriate comment -_-


sadly, Korean forums are currently flooded with comments like these.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 18 2016 03:20 GMT
#150
On October 18 2016 12:16 halomonian wrote:
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On October 18 2016 12:15 lichter wrote:
[image loading]

well unless full bwHD proleague comes back


inb4 hybrid Legacy/BWHD proleague


hybrid would confuse the shit outta me
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halomonian
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil255 Posts
October 18 2016 03:21 GMT
#151
On October 18 2016 12:18 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Well, isn't there a mod starbow or something...?

Did they venture into this..?


Remember when starbow was almost stealing Heart of the Swarm's thunder? I'd be more than happy to watch pro starbow to see what would come out of it
thoughts in chaos | enjOy[dream]
Matroid_Prime
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada59 Posts
October 18 2016 03:21 GMT
#152
First comment, been on these forums for several years. My favourite moments from Proleague came in the year when the Brood War pros came and EGTL was in proleague. There was so much hope and amazing games. That year I felt such awe when watching Fantasy and Flash play. Waking up early in the morning to watch.

My friends and I still play SC2 for fun and we still like to watch the odd game here and there. If any pros are reading this know that your dedication and skill in proleague was such a blessing to watch. I'll never forget!
Lifelong fan of Starcraft
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
October 18 2016 03:22 GMT
#153
[image loading] thanks for all the games.

https://www.patreon.com/olimoley
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 18 2016 03:23 GMT
#154
"And with this blow, history is changed"
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 18 2016 03:23 GMT
#155
On October 18 2016 12:20 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2016 12:16 halomonian wrote:
On October 18 2016 12:15 lichter wrote:
[image loading]

well unless full bwHD proleague comes back


inb4 hybrid Legacy/BWHD proleague


hybrid would confuse the shit outta me

how is there a mod comment on top of this thread and then another one posts stuff like this.
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ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
October 18 2016 03:23 GMT
#156
So, who are we supossed to blame for this?

And don't tell me 'it's dem casual MOBAtrash killing our rtsers!', that ain't true, most people who wanted to move to mobas already did so a long time ago.

In my opinion, the drop in viewrship directly correlates with how fun the actual game is to play.
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
October 18 2016 03:24 GMT
#157
On October 18 2016 12:22 Liquid`Snute wrote:
[image loading] thanks for all the games.

https://www.patreon.com/olimoley
gogo



hug
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
October 18 2016 03:25 GMT
#158
Well, Blizzard hasn't produced any good games since SC:BW and WC3, in MY opinion. SC2 had a good run, but to me it felt more based on pros and wishful thinking than anything else.

I quit playing Blizzard games since WoL and probably won't be going back, ever. I still watched PL every week though. Was entertaining to watch and I wanted to lend my support regardless of how I personally felt about the games.

I'm personally very frightened for CJ in this case. I don't want them to pull all their support from eSports, but their LoL team just dropped out of LCK and now their SC2 team is nonexistent.

We need some good eSports news coming out of Korea soon.
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halomonian
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil255 Posts
October 18 2016 03:25 GMT
#159
On October 18 2016 12:23 ihatevideogames wrote:
So, who are we supossed to blame for this?

And don't tell me 'it's dem casual MOBAtrash killing our rtsers!', that ain't true, most people who wanted to move to mobas already did so a long time ago.

In my opinion, the drop in viewrship directly correlates with how fun the actual game is to play.


I would fault it on the lack of a breeding ground since the demise of the open qualis, draft, up down matches and code A meaning something, also code B
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 18 2016 03:26 GMT
#160
Ahhh dammit.
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