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On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation.
Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
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On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
duckdeok beat INnoVation and nearly beat Maru, never forget.
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On September 14 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon. duckdeok beat INnoVation and nearly beat Maru, never forget.
right, forgot about duckdeok.
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duckdeok vs Maru was an EPIC series. Awesome games.
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On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
Obviously it wasn't just unlucky seeds, upsets happen and that's fair enough. In fact upsets are likely to happen due to the Koreigners being custom to weekend tournament format, the Koreans being used to long StarLeague format. But historically Blizzcon I just find dissapointing. MMA got into ro8 by winning dreamhacks and beating Stardust (another koreigner), same with San beating jjakji. While Zest (a potential cup winner) loses in ro16 to Life and Innovation who were at their very peaks. I mean yeah MMA beat Classic, but that series was the only significant thing he did that whole year, 1 good series isn't enough to make you Blizzcon finals worthy in my opinion.
Dunno I'd just prefer it if the actual world best players, aka the GSL, SSL, and SPL champs all made it to Blizzcon (the ro8 I mean, ro16 isn't Blizzcon). This year it's different, because the ro16 matches each top 8 Korean against a foreigner, there wont be 2 potential winners fighting in the ro16 again (like Zest vs Life for example). All the StarLeague kings this year can make it to Blizzcon (ro8), which I find pretty damn good. Having no Koreigners in Blizzcon makes it so much more stacked than previous years, also means there should be fewer one-sided series.
In conclusion: I don't like that Koreigners were able to make Blizzcon of easy Dreamhack and WCS EU tournaments while "better" KeSPA players couldn't make it in. This year the top 8 KeSPA players (7 and Byun) can all potentially make Blizzcon (aka the ro8). I mean they could have just made Blizzcon have group stages instead of 100% single elim and fix the problem but whatever.
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What a weird argument. No Blizzcon will be as stacked as in years past.
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It's kind of sad that $0$ has to win GSL to get into Blizzcon but Nerchio is going.
I really don't like this new WCS format. So boring to me.
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On September 14 2016 06:44 DinoMight wrote:
It's kind of sad that $0$ has to win GSL to get into Blizzcon but Nerchio is going.
I really don't like this new WCS format. So boring to me.
That is just wrong though, you didn't have to win GSL to go to blizzcon, you just had to do well in your region.
sOs did terrible besides his second place this GSL.
edit: What i kinda dislike though is that the winner of each league gets a direct seed. I feel like this promotes one hit wonders too much. Doing well all year should be the highest priority here imo.
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meh, none of my faves. Would have been cool to see SoS at BlizzCon again.
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The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
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You realize that "MMA only qualified because he won a Dreamhack" is hilarious considering tournaments like that are the only reason Life and sOs ever made Blizzcon? Also Life had shown no signs of being near his peak before Blizzcon 2014, he was so far removed from being a tournament favorite going into it that it's laughable.
Also having the best players at Blizzcon is just a dream. You can get the biggest names for sure, and the most successful players of the year, but you will always have players who are not playing at their peak level and who thus are not "the best" or even among the best.
And finally, you devalue "Koreigners" far too much for the good of your own argument. Especially for 2014 you act like they were some kind of trash. This is a tournament run Polt had in 2014 during the season when there were 3 Terrans total in Code S. Especially Polt and Bomber were still highly competitive.
On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
Of all the foreigners to pick on you take the one with the most WCS points? The one who won a season and for that alone probably would have made Blizzcon if the system was still the exact same?
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On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
Yeah sOs had an amazing year, multiple runs in GSL/SSL and even in Kespa Cup he has a good shot at winning.
Just shows how competitive korea is when his results this year aren't enough to be in the top 8 of korea 
I mean i get that you want the "best" players at blizzcon and that the current wcs system isn't good at providing that. It's worse doing that than the years before. But even there people weren't ok with the system. "Jd doesn't deserve it", yada yada yada.
The simple truth is that the only way to make wcs point inviting systems work is if every player plays in every competition.
That will and was never the case though.
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On September 14 2016 07:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. Of all the foreigners to pick on you take the one with the most WCS points? The one who won a season and for that alone probably would have made Blizzcon if the system was still the exact same?
By beating SortOf, Guru, an out of form Violet, and Masa en route to the final.
I stand by my original statement. It's a fucking joke
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On September 13 2016 18:53 SkySC2 wrote:
sOs out? this made my day *-*
Hey you.
Yeah you.
Fuck you.
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Weird how so many people get salty because of the Blizzcon player pool.
It´s about the best players of the world, not just Korea. Of course players from all around the world get a chance at playing in it. How else should it be? Everybody has to play on the KR Server, may the best ping win? Or everybody has to qualify through GSL/SSL points?
It is set up like a world championship, and so the world needs to be represented. Korea alone can´t do that.
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Is the best way to resolve this kit to have more than 16 players at blizz on? I mean really, If not 32 why not 24 with double elim? I mean a fair ratio may be 20 kr top 12 foreigners. Hell even if you split it 16/16 people would be more happy than they are now.
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I think 16 is enough. They can't even fit that into the actual Blizzcon event. With 32 players there also would be much less excitement throughout the year, as almost every good player would qualify anyway.
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I still stand by my signature
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On September 14 2016 18:36 y0su wrote:
I still stand by my signature
Except your signature is just wrong. The top 8 of WCS Korea qualify for the Global Finals, yes. But in the previous years, the champions weren't 12th, 14th and 14th in WCS Korea. They were 12th, 14th and 14th in WCS overall. In 2013 sOs was top 8 by points in Korea. So was Life in 2014. The only one who drops out is sOs 2015 where he was 11th in Korea. But 2015 was a special year, too, it will always be the Blizzcon with the most WCS KR players.
In 2015 the Blizzcon Ro16 was 13 WCS KR players to 3 WCS NA/EU players. In 2013/2014 it was 10 WCS NA/EU players to 6 WCS KR players. This year it'll be 8 to 8. Yes I realize at least 4 of the EU/NA players will be foreigners. But let's not pretend that Koreans who only play Korean tournaments are getting less spots at Blizzcon this year than in 2013/2014.
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