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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title. Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16084 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote: We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title. I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote: People, Blizzcon will be more stacked that ever before. Yes its insulting to have 8 foreigners but think about it. Ro16 is played a week before Blizzcon and only 8/16 players actually go to the big stage. This means its likely the 8 korean players will be the ones to advance. Aka blizzcon itself will be the best 8 players in Korea. Remember ro16 each foreigner is matched with a Korean Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title. Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to. I think a few foreigner upsets are possible. 1 or 2 may advance. I hope they don't tho, because they'll use that as a tool to keep pushing the region lock. haha just read your last sentence again. What's wrong with Showtime? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote: I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:52 Silvana wrote: I think a few foreigner upsets are possible. 1 or 2 may advance. I hope they don't tho, because they'll use that as a tool to keep pushing the region lock. haha just read your last sentence again. What's wrong with Showtime? Nothing wrong with Showtime I jist like seeing foreigners hyped up to beat Koreans and then crushed. Honestly the only upset hopes are Neeb and Snute, maybe against Patience or Dear they have a decent chance at ro8 | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do. I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad. On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote: Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess? On September 13 2016 22:03 Elentos wrote: 12 and 6 does not add up to 16. And if you restrict it to 12 Korea, 4 WCS, one of those WCS spots will always go to a Korean as long as Polt is active. Then maybe, just maybe, they don't deserve the spot at the world championship (read: best players in the world) if they need to be spoonfed so many spots and still can't really do it? | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote: -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote: Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess? Proleague is not a WCS tournament, it doesn't matter in this context. And he wasn't even the best player for his team. People just assume sOs would have made Blizzcon for sure without the WCS changes but with his form this year I don't think he would have even with the system from last year. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:08 Clonester wrote: He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting. Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:30 Fango wrote: Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16. Bomber and Polt were still top tier TvT players. Bomber 4-0'd a GSL semifinalist 2 months before Blizzcon. Those are by no means easy or unnotable matches. And he didn't even play Polt at Blizzcon. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:30 Fango wrote: Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16. You just said he had nothing in 2014 on Classic, but when he had to, he kicked him out of the biggest tournament of the year. MMA didnt even played WCS America, he played WCS EU... Get your facts strraight. The korean in WCS 2013-2014 havent been so bad like people want them to be (for the myth), 1st GSL of 2015 was full of them, MMA made it there into the Ro4. On top of this, the last Blizzcon, we only had 3 players (Polt, who went out 2-3 to Rain; Lilbow, failing hardcore and Hydra, defeating Dream 3-2 and losing 1-3 to Rouge) from WCS and 13 players from Core Korea. So why is 2016 better than 2015 in anyway and thus the most stacked Blizzcon? On September 13 2016 23:39 Elentos wrote: Bomber and Polt were still top tier TvT players. Bomber 4-0'd a GSL semifinalist 2 months before Blizzcon. Those were by no means easy matches. Funfact: In his run to 2014 finals of BLizzcon, MMA never met Polt as Polt played 2-3 against Classic in the Round of 16. He played Stardust and Bomber, the Bomber who owned Cure 4-0 prior to the event. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
 Shame for $o$, we´re gonna miss Diabolique´s fanatical fanboying when Blizzcon comes around. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:45 opisska wrote: I love how they call it "global qualifiers" in the classic GSL spirit Shame for $o$, we´re gonna miss Diabolique´s fanatical fanboying when Blizzcon comes around. Oh don't worry Diabolique will still be there to watch his favorite foreigner Nerchio. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU. Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8. 2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote: Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL. The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU. Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8. 2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon. The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else. This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place. Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:01 Fango wrote: Nothing wrong with Showtime I jist like seeing foreigners hyped up to beat Koreans and then crushed. Honestly the only upset hopes are Neeb and Snute, maybe against Patience or Dear they have a decent chance at ro8 Blizzcon showed us several times that the winner is not the best player overall but the one that's in best form those days. If the foreigners are in good form I still don't think they'll win it all but reach the main tournament and maybe even a Ro4. I wouldn't count anyone out unless they'll pulling a Lilbow. | ||
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