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France13018 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Sos and a bunch of top top tier Korean players do not get to the world championship. Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do. I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad.
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:03 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 22:03 Parcelleus wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! This will be the most important post in this thread. KR players should have minimum 12 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included. The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions. Hopefully this will change for next year. 12 and 6 does not add up to 16. And if you restrict it to 12 Korea, 4 WCS, one of those WCS spots will always go to a Korean as long as Polt is active. Then maybe, just maybe, they don't deserve the spot at the world championship (read: best players in the world) if they need to be spoonfed so many spots and still can't really do it?
Did you look at the GSL finals that prevented him from qualifying? (sOs) he played very bad PvT games. Whereas Neeb was a practice partner sufficient enough for a teamless player to roll on a multiple proleague winner.
There are already so many korean protosses at Blizzcon, I rather see foreign ones since there are almost only zergs in WCS.
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On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Sos and a bunch of top top tier Korean players do not get to the world championship. Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do. I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad.
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
Rogue was ace player. sOs was 14-11 all season with PvT being his only matchup above 50%. that is decent, but nothing special and no reason why he would deserve to go to blizzcon.
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Damn! Would have been awesome to see sOs in blizzcon. But alas....
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On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon.
Lets completely ignore the costs of flying from Korea to an overseas tournament, from practice lost, to not being able to perform at 100%, financial costs, proleague obligations...
Lol. You're making it seem like they didn't want a chance at easy money and wcs points.
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So this means 0 JAGW players at Blizzcon... 
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Alright Rogue this is your chance to finally get a Korean tournament under your belt.
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On September 14 2016 01:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright Rogue this is your chance to finally get a Korean tournament under your belt.
No way man 
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Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it
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wow 4 Korean protoss are competing for the last few spots for Blizzcon! That should make for an interesting story.
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19533 Posts
On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it
I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
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Pet...... 
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On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
Buyn just won GSL. You just have to believe Red.
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On September 14 2016 00:51 KappaKingPrime wrote:So this means 0 JAGW players at Blizzcon...
inb4 JAGW.ByuN
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Will Blizzard or KeSPA pay for foreign qualifiers' flights and accommodation to Korea?
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On September 14 2016 02:41 rednusa wrote:
Will Blizzard or KeSPA pay for foreign qualifiers' flights and accommodation to Korea?
If they are I bet they're really hoping Neeb and Scarlett qualify. Save them a bunch of money
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United States340 Posts
Would have loved to see $O$ again at Blizzcon, but gotta cheer for Patience.
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Exactly what Blizzcon needed. More protosses.
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As a Zerg and a Jaedong fan, nothing makes me happier than seeing $o$ unable to make it to blizzcon  .
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On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
If it stayed as HoTS for another year he would have, Rogue was only getting better up to the end of 2015.
On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon. The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else. This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place. Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16.
Because the ro8 (I don't include the ro16 as Blizzcon) will almost certainly be the 8 top from Korea, we won't see any Polts or Hydras or MCs like in the past (where the very best Koreans would lose in ro16, Zest, soO, Maru, Inno). The only chance is a Neeb or Snute upset to Patience or Dear.
The thing is this year the brackets are actually good, each Korean is matched with a foreigner meaning that the ro8 will be evenly spread out so we most likely wont have a 1 sided finals. I'm just glad that the ro8 this year should be all GSL/SSL players instead of guys picking up points from Dreamhacks, WCS EU etc, and you cannot suggest that those cups are on the same skill level.
And please, not all Korean players can afford to go touring EU and NA for free tournament wins. Many can't get away during proleague season and for the ones that aren't big names probably don't have a money to go.
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Germany2808 Posts
On September 14 2016 03:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo If it stayed as HoTS for another year he would have, Rogue was only getting better up to the end of 2015. Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon. The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else. This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place. Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16. Because the ro8 (I don't include the ro16 as Blizzcon) will almost certainly be the 8 top from Korea, we won't see any Polts or Hydras or MCs like in the past (where the very best Koreans would lose in ro16, Zest, soO, Maru, Inno). The only chance is a Neeb or Snute upset to Patience or Dear. The thing is this year the brackets are actually good, each Korean is matched with a foreigner meaning that the ro8 will be evenly spread out so we most likely wont have a 1 sided finals. I'm just glad that the ro8 this year should be all GSL/SSL players instead of guys picking up points from Dreamhacks, WCS EU etc, and you cannot suggest that those cups are on the same skill level. And please, not all Korean players can afford to go touring EU and NA for free tournament wins. Many can't get away during proleague season and for the ones that aren't big names probably don't have a money to go.
Why has Top 8 Blizzcon of 2015 been weaker then your proposed top 8 of this years Blizzcon? Because Hydra made it by beating Dream?
The Blizzcon Top 8 of 2016 will not be the top 8 of korean starcraft. Where is the best ProLeague player?
Koreans could easy afford to fly there. They play for the most wealthiest teams in the entire scene, SKT, KT, CJ, Jin Air and Samsung or got a personal sponsorship by RB. If they didnt want to go or their teams didnt want to sent them, then its not the fail of the system. These tournaments have been 100% open and the ones who did not want to use this option can only ask themselfs or their teams why not.
ProLeague is no excuse, for regular play days you never need more then 5 players, use your B teamers, it was a 8 team Proleague with MVP, IM and Prime anyway.
The teams or the players didnt want to go, that for me is their fault, if the money in Dreamhacks and IEMs has been so easy, there wouldnt be a problem to pay 1500€ for the plane tickets.
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