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France12905 Posts
On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough.
He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Totally agree !
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Excited about the end of the year. Some good Sc coming up.
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On September 14 2016 05:43 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon. Obviously it wasn't just unlucky seeds, upsets happen and that's fair enough. In fact upsets are likely to happen due to the Koreigners being custom to weekend tournament format, the Koreans being used to long StarLeague format. But historically Blizzcon I just find dissapointing. MMA got into ro8 by winning dreamhacks and beating Stardust (another koreigner), same with San beating jjakji. While Zest (a potential cup winner) loses in ro16 to Life and Innovation who were at their very peaks. I mean yeah MMA beat Classic, but that series was the only significant thing he did that whole year, 1 good series isn't enough to make you Blizzcon finals worthy in my opinion. Dunno I'd just prefer it if the actual world best players, aka the GSL, SSL, and SPL champs all made it to Blizzcon (the ro8 I mean, ro16 isn't Blizzcon). This year it's different, because the ro16 matches each top 8 Korean against a foreigner, there wont be 2 potential winners fighting in the ro16 again (like Zest vs Life for example). All the StarLeague kings this year can make it to Blizzcon (ro8), which I find pretty damn good. Having no Koreigners in Blizzcon makes it so much more stacked than previous years, also means there should be fewer one-sided series. In conclusion: I don't like that Koreigners were able to make Blizzcon of easy Dreamhack and WCS EU tournaments while "better" KeSPA players couldn't make it in. This year the top 8 KeSPA players (7 and Byun) can all potentially make Blizzcon (aka the ro8). I mean they could have just made Blizzcon have group stages instead of 100% single elim and fix the problem but whatever.
You guys need to stop whining. If you want to watch the best players play in the 'best' tournament, don't watch blizzcon, go watch GSL, SSL and SPL, cuz those are the 'best tournaments in the whole world', seriously guys.... stop whining
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Yes, sOs does not deserve to get to BlizzCon for his performance this year, but it is a stupid bullshit to say, foreign Protosses are better than him. I am pretty sure, he would beat them all. sOs does not go to BlizzCon because there were only two seasons of GSL/SSL this year and there were no other international tournaments, he could participate in and thus getting the points, he needed.
However, this year's BlizzCon seems to be quite OK related to the split of players. But instead of the split 8 / 8 between TOP Koreans and foreigners, I would prefer split 12 / 4. Which we almost have anyway:
o 8 TOP Koreans according to the ranking are OK:
- Dark, Solar, ByuN, Zest, TY, Stats, Dear, Classic / Patience
o 4 TOP foreigners according to foreigners ranking are OK, they all will be a great supplement of this year's BlizzCon:
- Neeb, Snute, Nerchio, ShowTime
o 4 Others: this is the only point, where I am not happy ... Elazer does not belong to BlizzCon and our Koreigners may be worse than the other Koreans ... so here I would prefer some "Road to BlizzCon" minitournament before BlizzCon between WCS TOP8 (except the TOP4 real foreigners) and the 9-12 ranked Koreans. So it would be a qualification for BlizzCon for 4 places between 8 participants:
- Polt, Hydra, TRUE, Violet / Elazer, Classic / Patience, Myungsik, Cure, herO / sOs
I would guess, the winning 4 would be Polt, Classic / Patience, Cure, herO / sOs ...
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Polt got more WCS points than any foreigner and he's supposed to play an extra tournament to earn his spot while they get theirs for free?
I'm not following the logic here.
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France12905 Posts
I didn't say foreign protoss, I said foreign top P. Read Neeb and showtime. Plus I said in macro games, of course in a bo7 being absurdly good at protoss cheddar helps.
Him beating them in PvP (or not) wouldn't make him better than them at macro games in general, one match-up/head-to-head isn't enough to accurately rank players.
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The problem with blizzcon is the massive amount of pricemoney. It should have been halved and used for another Kespa Cup mid season.
First round all foreigners get raped, then there are only 7 matches left (8 with match between 3rd and 4th). So few matches for so much money
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument
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France12905 Posts
On September 15 2016 21:29 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better. Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument
It's not one bad play lol, he played bad all year long.
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Austria24422 Posts
Top foreign protoss are not better than sOs in macro games, but I agree he hasn't been good this year.
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On September 15 2016 19:45 Poopi wrote:
I didn't say foreign protoss, I said foreign top P. Read Neeb and showtime. Plus I said in macro games, of course in a bo7 being absurdly good at protoss cheddar helps.
Him beating them in PvP (or not) wouldn't make him better than them at macro games in general, one match-up/head-to-head isn't enough to accurately rank players.
Well, it made me quite angry in the past, when people, who do not understand SC2, named sOs being the "cheeser", who cannot play macro games. In the reality, he was always a master of macro games, who could play cheese as well. Unless you call him a cheeser, because he has used smartly DTs in the middle of a macro game. So I am quite confident, he would destroy any foreign Protoss in macro games as well. Unfortunately for him, he was not able to destroy Patience / Trust when it mattered.
On September 15 2016 21:36 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 21:29 swissman777 wrote:On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better. Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument It's not one bad play lol, he played bad all year long.
I see, so you mean winning the first international LotV IEM tournament against herO and ByuN, winning all the important deciding matches in 3 Proleague play offs and winning 2nd place in GSL (fully deserved after two great victories against herO and MyungSiK) means "lol, he played bad all year long". You are definitely a very funny guy.
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France12905 Posts
Well, it made me quite angry in the past, when people, who do not understand SC2, named sOs being the "cheeser", who cannot play macro games.
I'll leave it there :o.
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Russian Federation421 Posts
sOs lost GSL finals and bombed out of Blizzcon. Good times.
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wish they could set up the brackets in a fairer way. double elimination at least 
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On September 16 2016 11:44 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:wish they could set up the brackets in a fairer way. double elimination at least
Well double elim would be nice i agree, but looking at the groups it wasn't really that stacked to begin with
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So sad to see sOs drop out God damn Patience...
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