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[WCS] Copa Intercontinental 2016 Preview

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[WCS] Copa Intercontinental 2016 Preview

Text bymunch
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September 9th, 2016 03:40 GMT
SHOUTcraft Kings



We’re reaching boiling point in the WCS Points race. With the final two matches of the GSL and SSL coming this weekend as well, the BlizzCon standings could be decided as soon as Sunday, save for the possibility of one final upcoming twist at KeSPA Cup. Several players in attendance are fighting to gain enough points to gatecrash the top 16, while others are still jostling for ideal position. With the group seedings already announced for the Global Finals, players will be eyeing up their preferred opponents, adding further intrigue to the tournament ahead. Adding another dimension is the eye-raising format used; a 10 man format that requires some players to win three matches to make the finals, while others need only two.








There’s no information confirming the seeding process, but on the surface, it appears that it’s been done wholly by WCS rankings. ShoWTimE and Neeb get the best spots—up against the winners of the Bo10 stage—as #2 and #4 seeds respectively, while uThermal faces Hydra (#11 vs #6) and Has is matched with Snute (#13 vs #5). Scarlett has been placed in the Ro10 as the #15 WCS seed.

Seeding by WCS rankings is a process that makes sense for certain tournaments. It would be understandable for admins to use them at the WCS Season Championships, for example, due to the nature of the Season Championships as emblematic of the WCS campaign, and due to the completeness of the 32 player bracket. In a competition like Copa International though, with its incomplete bracket, and staggered prize pool that gives increased incentives for losing in the Ro8 ($2,500 and 300 WCS Points) compared to losing in the Ro10 ($1,000 and 150 WCS Points), it’s a plainly idiotic decision with no possible justification that ensures that the rich get richer. If you really think you can’t conjure up the six players required to form a complete bracket, why not change the format? Two 5-player groups leading into the main bracket would prove a welcome change from the proliferation of single elimination bracket tournaments we’ve seen recently. We can only hope that the rewards structures at future tournaments are set out a bit more fairly.

Note: All WCS points totals listed below already include the minimum totals guaranteed from the Copa International i.e. 300 for the top six players, and 150 for the remaining three.

Further Note: We actually wrote this before both the KeSPA Cup announcement on Tuesday and the release of any qualifier details, so while all participants here will be looking to bank the maximum number of points possible in Mexico City, there’s still technically one final chance for players to sneak into the top 8 right at the death. While that might be true though, clutching a final handful of points in KeSPA Cup will be harder than doing the job here, and it'll be a brave player who leaves themselves with work to do in Korea at the end of the month.


Players qualified for BlizzCon


#2 ShoWTimE (4345 Points)


Aside from the obvious incentive of the $50,000 on offer, ShoWTimE has little to play for here besides pride. Already qualified for BlizzCon, he has no chance of catching Polt for the #1 seed, while only Neeb has a chance to challenge him for second place. Still, there’s a slight sense of underachievement about ShoWTimE so far this year. Besides his landmark title at WCS Spring, he’s ended each event in the past 8 months with some degree of regret. First round exits at WCS Winter and Summer in particular highlighted the volatility of the single elimination bracket format that WCS has adapted, while he was beaten by Nerchio and Neeb at DH Valencia and IEM Shanghai.

Much like a cluster of players at the top of the WCS rankings, ShoWTimE has racked up a handful of promising results without ever exerting his dominance on the scene, as evidenced by the fact that no one besides Harstem has picked up multiple titles this year—and even that win in Shanghai was slightly tainted by the lack of many major WCS regulars. It all adds up to a scene where there’s no clear #1 player; should ShoWTimE win here, it’ll be a perfect way to make his case before the biggest event of the year.


#4 Neeb (4250 Points)


Neeb’s rise from bit-part terran to protoss race-switcher to King of NA Starcraft has been one of the stories of the year. Unfortunately, equally so has been his inability to convert respectable finishes into championship wins. There’s no doubt that he’s one of the most feared players on the WCS Circuit, and that from a pure gameplay standpoint he can stand toe to toe with anyone in the scene. He’s one of the most consistent onliners in the foreign scene (regularly holding his own in the Olimoleague against Korean opposition, and winning the most recent weekly event), while his winrates over the past three months (76% overall, and 70%+ winrates in all three matchups) point to a player at the top of his game.

So why can’t he win? Why has he repeatedly lost when the pressure’s on? His loss in the DH Austin Finals to Hydra—a player against whom he otherwise holds a 24-10 map record in 2016—was just the start, but then came losses to MarineLorD (DH Valencia), uThermal (IEM Shanghai), and Polt (WCS Summer). He’s stated repeatedly that he copes poorly with the pressure of the later stages of competitions, but should he feel that now, what’s he going to be like at BlizzCon? Alternatively, if he picks up a win now, then that year-long question of ‘When will Neeb win a title’ will have been answered, and we might see a Neeb unburdened come the opening stages in Burbank.


#5 Snute (3705 Points)


Much like Neeb, Snute will be caught in two minds when asked to sum up his year so far. His results as a whole have been spectacular this year—two silver medals at WCS Winter and WCS Shanghai, and three top 4s at DH Austin, HSC XIII, and DH Valencia, not to mention his win at the Neo Starleague International. Still, it’s a list lacking one thing—a big win. Those five near misses have been combined with first round exits at both WCS Spring and Summer.

Weirdly, Snute stands on the other side of the divide to practically every other player in the WCS region. We’ve seen for years that he can compete against the best that Korea has to offer in one-off matches (KR Protosses in particular—how many other zergs can claim high profile wins over Rain, Classic, sOs, Zest and herO?). Competing against his fellow WCS competitors though has been a different story. He’s had the odd success in this new era (GPL 2015 International / NSL 2016) in smaller events, but he’s yet to truly beat the best that his region’s got to offer in a premier tournament. Ticking that box off here would sum up his 2016 efforts nicely as he heads to BlizzCon.


#6 Hydra (3435 Points)


Has there been a more disappointing highly-ranked player this year than Hydra? Maybe he's regressed as a player since 2015, or maybe the rest of the field really has improved, but Hydra has looked far from the menace that he was last year. His scattergun approach to WCS point hoarding has resulted in plenty of mediocre finishes, but with so many results registered in tournaments all over the world, he’s scraped together enough to be relatively confident of a repeat visit to BlizzCon. His season-defining event was undoubtedly his win at DH Austin, but even that came against a weakened player field, and his subsequent second round exit at WCS Spring to Neeb a mere week later rather took the shine off his triumph. Still, there’s no arguing with his pedigree, and with his prediliction for the unusual, he’s going to become more and more of a threat once the high-profile year-end events roll by.


Players that might make BlizzCon


#11 uThermal (2380 Points)

230 points short of viOLet and Elazer (Requires top 2 finish)

Liquid’s newest signing has a grand opportunity to mark his debut in style. uThermal’s rise over the past couple of months has been meteoric, from his last-chance invite to IEM Shanghai following PiLiPiLi’s forfeit, to his ultimate triumph in his first premier final. Prior to August, he wasn’t even in consideration for a BlizzCon spot, but now he has a real chance to gatecrash the top 8. Two matches can shape the rest of 2016 for him—he likely now has to beat Hydra and ShoWTimE to qualify for BlizzCon. Match 1 against Hydra in particular will be one of the ties of the opening round—revenge for his loss against the Korean at DH Valencia in his best matchup—while a potential match against one of the most consistent protosses in the foreign scene will be a tough follow up. Still, it’s been a miraculous couple of months for the Dutch terran so far, and it’ll be a brave man who bets against him extending his streak of fortune.


Players that can’t make BlizzCon


#13 Has (1650 Points)

960 points short of viOLet and Elazer

There’s little more that needs to be said of Has really. He remains exactly the same player he’s always been—a protoss who strikes his own way in the Starcraft world. He’s a fine upholder of the one-base protoss legacy of past cheesers, and there’s practically no one in the world more watchable than the Taiwanese player. He’ll never be the best player by any metric (his attempts to transition to multiple bases have been comical in the past), but there are few players as dangerous in a one-off match against an unprepared opponent. Then again, does such a thing exist? In a scene where non-Korean Asian players in particular rarely share the spotlight with the more successful EU scene, or the more mouthy NA scene, Has has stood out as a beacon of success in the WCS world. Every player or fan in the SC2 scene is aware of everything he stands for; is there a greater compliment that we could pay the man?


#15 Scarlett (1380 Points)

1230 points short of viOLet and Elazer

It’s been a strange year for Scarlett. In terms of her results and standings, there’s no doubt that she’s fallen far from 2013-14 heyday. Early exits across the board are a long way from the dominance that she used to exert in Korean-saturated events, one of the lone stars shining in the foreign scene. Purely in comparison to what we used to expect, it’s been a disappointment.

Then again, let’s be honest—it’s been a long time since that Scarlett came out to play. She had no impact on the scene last year at all, whereas in 2016, it seems more and more like she’s improving, little by little. We’ve seen her first concentrated batch of events in two years (and probably practice too, given her public liaisons with Dota in the recent past). Making the finals of HomeStory Cup XIII is undoubtedly the big sign that fans will point to in expectation of a revival, but just as important was her top 8 finish at WCS Summer. Wins over Nerchio in particular at both events show that her ZvZ is still as honed as ever, and coming into this event, there are expectations surrounding the Canadian zerg for the first time in a while. She might not be able to make BlizzCon anymore (bar a miracle run at KeSPA Cup), but a win here would be an effective statement about her ambitions moving into next year.


#28 iaguz (640 Points)


After becoming a stalwart of the WCS scene last year, we’ve seen rather less from iaguz this year, given the difficulty (and expense) of flying to events from Australia. The WCS Spring and Summer Championships have been his only two offline showings. He’s not looked great at either tournament—aside from a win over HuK—and it begs the question of whether his inability to attend events with the same regularity as the rest of the foreign scene has prevented him from reaching the same peaks of 2015. Then again, judging by his twitter and blog posts, he seems desperate to find any game that’s enjoyable enough to distract him from more Starcraft. Still, iaguz can always be relied upon for his entertainingly no-bullshit approach to interviews that contrasts with much of the scene, as well as his magnificent facial hair, and it’ll be fun to see what sort of shape the Aussie arrives in.


#31 Cyan (375 Points)


After his breakout performance at the NSL International last month, Cyan’s rocketed to the front of the queue of promising Chinese talents. His 0-4 loss to Snute in the Grand Final might have been a sign of the gaping chasm he still has to close to approach the players topping the scene, but an offline run including wins over Has, PartinG and Scarlett is still one of merit. Still though, we’ve seen many players who’ve been impressive in one event before tanking in the next, and it’s undeniable that the competition at this event will be far more intense (given PartinG’s massive drop-off in form over the year). Should he repeat the feat and place highly once more, the Chinese scene might finally have a player to be proud of on an international level for the first time since Jim’s exploits in 2013-14.



Writer(s): munch
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Graphics: shiroiusagi
 
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 09 2016 04:36 GMT
#2
As poor as the seeding is (not only is it a ten player WCS-ranking seeded bracket, the 7-10th seeds are also incorrectly matched up), it's still better than the initial plan of having NA Server #1 play EU Passport #2 and EU Server #1 play NA Passport #2 in the first round...
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-09 04:46:13
September 09 2016 04:45 GMT
#3
Why aren't iaguz and Cyan in the bracket and why is there only 9 players announced ?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-09 04:59:55
September 09 2016 04:51 GMT
#4
On September 09 2016 13:45 Serimek wrote:
Why aren't iaguz and Cyan in the bracket and why is there only 9 players announced ?


Latin American qualifiers will finish at the tournament, so we don't know who the latin american player is yet. And since players are seeded by WCS rank depending on who qualifies from the LatAm qualifier they'd be in different spots. If MajOr wins iaguz is seed 9, but if Kelazhur wins iaguz is seed 8 for example.

edit: Also aren't all these point totals incorrect? They're including the minimum points that the players will earn at WCS Copa Intercontinental which wouldn't factor in for seeding purposes, and could be misleading.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
September 09 2016 04:52 GMT
#5
On September 09 2016 13:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 13:45 Serimek wrote:
Why aren't iaguz and Cyan in the bracket and why is there only 9 players announced ?


Latin American qualifiers will finish at the tournament, so we don't know who the latin american player is yet. And since players are seeded by WCS rank depending on who qualifies from the LatAm qualifier they'd be in different spots.


That the info I was missing, thank you.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 09 2016 04:56 GMT
#6
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney

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Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1195 Posts
September 09 2016 06:57 GMT
#7
This has to be the weirdest WCS Circuit event yet. I wonder what conditions compelled them to use a 10 player single elimination format. Anyway, they could have at least determined the seeding online I guess, so it wouldn't feel so unfair to be placed in the first round, considering the prize distribution too.
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 09 2016 07:09 GMT
#8
On September 09 2016 15:57 Azhrak wrote:
This has to be the weirdest WCS Circuit event yet. I wonder what conditions compelled them to use a 10 player single elimination format. Anyway, they could have at least determined the seeding online I guess, so it wouldn't feel so unfair to be placed in the first round, considering the prize distribution too.


The strange bracket and seeding are supposed to distract from the fact that there's no Koreans in the tournament. This way people complain about the bracket instead of the players.

That being said, uThermal's on the other side of the bracket, and I would favour Neeb over anyone who isn't Terran and who isn't Nerchio. So, hopefullly Neeb makes it to the finals and doesn't have to face uThermal there. Actually, if this wasn't broadcasted at all, I would definitely favour Neeb to win the whole thing.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
September 09 2016 07:11 GMT
#9
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



Why? Because she doesnt agree with the format and state it? Because she thinks that there is a degree of unfairness in the tournament?

Chill out, you seem more salty and bitchy than her.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 09 2016 07:21 GMT
#10
What a bizarre setup for a proper WCS event.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 08:02 GMT
#11
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Scarlett is the best!
Maru is the best!
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SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
September 09 2016 08:04 GMT
#12
so, why only 10 players? why this weird format? why cant Scarlett make Blizzcon (even if she wins it? i thought the winner of a tourney gets a Blizzcon spot guaranteed)?
seem very odd
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-09 08:24:19
September 09 2016 08:23 GMT
#13
On September 09 2016 17:04 SeriousLus wrote:
so, why only 10 players? why this weird format? why cant Scarlett make Blizzcon (even if she wins it? i thought the winner of a tourney gets a Blizzcon spot guaranteed)?
seem very odd

Only WCS Champions go to Blizzcon. As for the rest - orginizer's decisions.
That is, WCS Championship champions, not regular WCS Circuit champions.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
September 09 2016 08:23 GMT
#14
A 10 player tournament with a 50,000$ prize pool. And then this mess of a bracket. I don't even know what to say. This event looks so stupid.
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Duckman
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
September 09 2016 08:50 GMT
#15
Everyone so QQ, I'm just excited for some high level Starcraft!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
September 09 2016 08:52 GMT
#16
On September 09 2016 17:50 Duckman wrote:
Everyone so QQ, I'm just excited for some high level Starcraft!

According to some people, you're in the wrong place for that, too.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 09 2016 08:58 GMT
#17
I'm glad KeSPA Cup was organised and Blizzcon seeds weren't decided based on this format
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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
September 09 2016 09:07 GMT
#18
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Oh Noonius, as if your salt on maru and jin air was not enough for you...
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
September 09 2016 10:25 GMT
#19
On September 09 2016 16:11 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



Why? Because she doesnt agree with the format and state it? Because she thinks that there is a degree of unfairness in the tournament?

Chill out, you seem more salty and bitchy than her.

It's Noonius, he's basically avilo.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-09 10:37:53
September 09 2016 10:35 GMT
#20
This tournament has such a terrible format and amount of players.

It takes the belt from Gfinity 2014 as the worst WCS tournament.

Even if they didnt want/could invite more people from abroad, why didnt the just let the final 6 of the latin american passport qualifier (who have to travel to the event anyway and play there) play in the main event and tus boosting the event to 15 people. They would only need to give out one more invite/qualifier slot for at least a 16 man bracket and they got the venue for 3 days anyway. They could do then 4 groups and Ro8 Playoffs. But no...

Seriously, worst format in WCS ever.
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland930 Posts
September 09 2016 11:05 GMT
#21
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



I kinda stand with her on this, the seeding here just seems really poorly done.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
September 09 2016 11:34 GMT
#22
This format makes zeroooo sense. This is like, the worst format ever made. I seriously think it'd be better for them to make an extremely short notice format revision. Even though I saw this a month ago and saw it was an awful format, I think everyone can objectively agree it is poo.

Pls someone with executive decision, change to two groups of 5 while you still can. ~_~ Think of the competitive integrity!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 09 2016 12:42 GMT
#23
On September 09 2016 19:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 16:11 Argonauta wrote:
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



Why? Because she doesnt agree with the format and state it? Because she thinks that there is a degree of unfairness in the tournament?

Chill out, you seem more salty and bitchy than her.

It's Noonius, he's basically avilo.


why such personal insult?

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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
September 09 2016 12:49 GMT
#24
On September 09 2016 21:42 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 19:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 09 2016 16:11 Argonauta wrote:
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



Why? Because she doesnt agree with the format and state it? Because she thinks that there is a degree of unfairness in the tournament?

Chill out, you seem more salty and bitchy than her.

It's Noonius, he's basically avilo.


why such personal insult?


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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-09 13:37:16
September 09 2016 13:28 GMT
#25
Nice tournament, nice format.
Scarlett to win it all as she has the easiest bracket.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 09 2016 13:48 GMT
#26
Neeb 4:2 Showtime
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meatpop_13
Profile Joined April 2015
8 Posts
September 09 2016 14:33 GMT
#27
Capping off a year of terribly structured tournaments (single elim... really??) with the cream of the crop of terribly structured tournaments. What an embarrassment.
Setsunai
Profile Joined August 2016
12 Posts
September 09 2016 15:11 GMT
#28
My brain hurts. None of the other WCS events were organized like this. Why is this one so quirky?

Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 15:28 GMT
#29
Relax, guys, next year, we will have no Proleague, no GSL, no SSL, we will have just some quirky welfare tournaments and we should be grateful for them ... so why not start training now and be happy about a quirky tournament with a couple of decent players (Scarlett and Neeb)? :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
September 09 2016 15:34 GMT
#30
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney

Scarlett is 100% right on this one. This format in combination with seeding from WCS point is completely unfair.
For example Neeb has to play one series less to get to the final for doing nothing just having more wcs points he even finished behind scarlett in the qualifier but still got a huge advantage in the tourney which makes no sense.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 15:49 GMT
#31
On September 10 2016 00:34 IArako wrote:
Show nested quote +
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney

Scarlett is 100% right on this one. This format in combination with seeding from WCS point is completely unfair.
For example Neeb has to play one series less to get to the final for doing nothing just having more wcs points he even finished behind scarlett in the qualifier but still got a huge advantage in the tourney which makes no sense.

Scarlett cannot complain ... first, she has to play some noob, then some neeb, and then she is almost in the finals!
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 09 2016 16:20 GMT
#32
On September 09 2016 22:48 Ej_ wrote:
Neeb 4:2 Showtime


in what universe?
Has is gonna troll Neeb into switching to zerg
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
5TR1D3R
Profile Joined May 2016
6 Posts
September 09 2016 16:49 GMT
#33
I may be reading into this all wrong but if Has wins here(1000 point) they do have enough points to qualify for blizzcon as they finish above elazer/violet without counting any points from the kespa cup, shouldnt they be more of a unlikely but possible to make blizzcon?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 09 2016 16:53 GMT
#34
On September 10 2016 01:49 5TR1D3R wrote:
I may be reading into this all wrong but if Has wins here(1000 point) they do have enough points to qualify for blizzcon as they finish above elazer/violet without counting any points from the kespa cup, shouldnt they be more of a unlikely but possible to make blizzcon?


These point totals include the points they are guaranteed to get at Copa America. Has is really only at 1350.
5TR1D3R
Profile Joined May 2016
6 Posts
September 09 2016 17:01 GMT
#35
These point totals include the points they are guaranteed to get at Copa America. Has is really only at 1350.

Darn so he will need to do well at kespa cup too, oh well
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 09 2016 17:02 GMT
#36
On September 09 2016 21:42 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 19:25 Cricketer12 wrote:
On September 09 2016 16:11 Argonauta wrote:
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney



Why? Because she doesnt agree with the format and state it? Because she thinks that there is a degree of unfairness in the tournament?

Chill out, you seem more salty and bitchy than her.

It's Noonius, he's basically avilo.


why such personal insult?



Is declaring that being compared to someone is a personal insult a personal insult to said person?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 17:29 GMT
#37
How can anyone be disappointed by a tournament, where we can see play Has?
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2382 Posts
September 09 2016 17:57 GMT
#38
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Don't worry I wouldn't want you to
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
September 09 2016 17:59 GMT
#39
On September 10 2016 02:57 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Don't worry I wouldn't want you to

Shura has spoken
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 18:31 GMT
#40
On September 10 2016 02:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 02:57 Scarlett` wrote:
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Don't worry I wouldn't want you to

Shura has spoken

Shura for president!!!
I hope, after she sends home the noob and the neeb, she will manage to defend all three cannon rushes from Has!
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
September 09 2016 20:18 GMT
#41
lol
Really, only 10 players?
Just invite 6 of the mexican players and make it less of an embarrasment
...
MilleudaFolles
Profile Joined September 2016
26 Posts
September 09 2016 20:37 GMT
#42
On September 10 2016 02:57 Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Don't worry I wouldn't want you to



Scarlett. If you win/finish top 2 in this AND win/top 2 in Kespa, you still have chance to win at Blizzcon.

I know you from wc3 times and cheering for you at sc2 for like 3-4 years. You have a great potential to unleash. It's quite frustrating and sad that you still haven't managed to win a "big"/premier tourney. When you give it all, i know you can do it but you are so prone to emotional phases which causes you to screw up. Don't be.

We have a plausible route to Blizzcon (although quite tight), finish high in this and in Kespa, get the those required points.

I want you to win Blizzcon this year. I don't matter to you and it doesn't really matter but you matter a lot to me so be an extension of my will and make it happen.

If you move faithfully all roads lead forward!

Forward!
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 09 2016 20:55 GMT
#43
On September 10 2016 05:37 MilleudaFolles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 02:57 Scarlett` wrote:
On September 09 2016 13:56 Noonius wrote:
Scarlett is confirmed to be the saltiest pro ever. It just sounds very bitchy. Now I know who not to root for in this tourney


Don't worry I wouldn't want you to



Scarlett. If you win/finish top 2 in this AND win/top 2 in Kespa, you still have chance to win at Blizzcon.

I know you from wc3 times and cheering for you at sc2 for like 3-4 years. You have a great potential to unleash. It's quite frustrating and sad that you still haven't managed to win a "big"/premier tourney. When you give it all, i know you can do it but you are so prone to emotional phases which causes you to screw up. Don't be.

We have a plausible route to Blizzcon (although quite tight), finish high in this and in Kespa, get the those required points.

I want you to win Blizzcon this year. I don't matter to you and it doesn't really matter but you matter a lot to me so be an extension of my will and make it happen.

If you move faithfully all roads lead forward!

Forward!

Amen!
And in the worst case ... at least win this funny latino copa! :-)
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ossavi09
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany441 Posts
September 09 2016 22:13 GMT
#44
On September 10 2016 05:18 Ace Frehley wrote:
lol
Really, only 10 players?
Just invite 6 of the mexican players and make it less of an embarrasment


there are already 15 (invited 16) players, but 5 of them play the latAM qualifier offline & offstream ^^
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 09 2016 23:37 GMT
#45
Scarlett fan club is spreading.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 10 2016 00:16 GMT
#46
On September 10 2016 08:37 Phredxor wrote:
Scarlett fan club is spreading.

It must be spreading. Show me another foreigner, who instead of going around through all the welfare tournaments and collecting cash, went to the banned Korea and actually tried to really become a better player.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 00:20:25
September 10 2016 00:19 GMT
#47
On September 10 2016 09:16 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 08:37 Phredxor wrote:
Scarlett fan club is spreading.

It must be spreading. Show me another foreigner, who instead of going around through all the welfare tournaments and collecting cash, went to the banned Korea and actually tried to really become a better player.

Neeb, NoRegret. You know, her roommates...

tbf though Scarlett and Neeb have both made quite a bit this year off those "welfare" tournaments
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 00:28:24
September 10 2016 00:27 GMT
#48
On September 10 2016 09:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 09:16 Diabolique wrote:
On September 10 2016 08:37 Phredxor wrote:
Scarlett fan club is spreading.

It must be spreading. Show me another foreigner, who instead of going around through all the welfare tournaments and collecting cash, went to the banned Korea and actually tried to really become a better player.

Neeb, NoRegret. You know, her roommates...

tbf though Scarlett and Neeb have both made quite a bit this year off those "welfare" tournaments

Well, as far as I know, it was just Scarlett and NoRegret. And none of them has made much from those tournaments. Therefore I am so happy for her that it pays off now and she is beating Nerchio and the other welfare staff regularly ...

It is of course nice that Neeb visited her in Korea, but I would never compare it. Scarlett went to Korea at the beginning of the second season, when Neeb was participating in the WCS events ... How long is he in Korea now? Two weeks? One month?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 10 2016 00:46 GMT
#49
On September 10 2016 09:27 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 09:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On September 10 2016 09:16 Diabolique wrote:
On September 10 2016 08:37 Phredxor wrote:
Scarlett fan club is spreading.

It must be spreading. Show me another foreigner, who instead of going around through all the welfare tournaments and collecting cash, went to the banned Korea and actually tried to really become a better player.

Neeb, NoRegret. You know, her roommates...

tbf though Scarlett and Neeb have both made quite a bit this year off those "welfare" tournaments

Well, as far as I know, it was just Scarlett and NoRegret. And none of them has made much from those tournaments. Therefore I am so happy for her that it pays off now and she is beating Nerchio and the other welfare staff regularly ...

It is of course nice that Neeb visited her in Korea, but I would never compare it. Scarlett went to Korea at the beginning of the second season, when Neeb was participating in the WCS events ... How long is he in Korea now? Two weeks? One month?

Neeb has been their for almost 2 months now I think. And he's staying until at least GSL qualifiers from what I understand. In fact, Scarlett is the one who's been back in Canada for a little while while Neeb's been practicing in Korea.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 10 2016 11:15 GMT
#50
On September 10 2016 09:16 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 08:37 Phredxor wrote:
Scarlett fan club is spreading.

It must be spreading. Show me another foreigner, who instead of going around through all the welfare tournaments and collecting cash, went to the banned Korea and actually tried to really become a better player.


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Terran forever | Maru hater forever
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
September 10 2016 11:25 GMT
#51
This community really sickens me. You are supporting someone complaining for getting paid just for qualifying. Someone who has done nothing, straight up nothing for for 2 years who thinks they deserve a better seed than people who have won championships this year. The format is fine, it's a tournament that no one knew was going to happen before what 2 months ago? You all would complain that a finals was to long because it went to 7 games. Seriously, what the fuck.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
creatspirit
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany8 Posts
September 10 2016 13:13 GMT
#52
People..... You forget that this is the first event they do there so expect them not to be experienced in organising Tournaments at all.
So please give them a chance to shine at least with the tournament itself.
If you smash their efforts already they will most likely never try to do a WCS tourney in Mexico ever again which I assume no one really wants to happen.

I am hyped for the starcraft action itself. Ignore the format.
the early bird catches the worm
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-10 13:22:28
September 10 2016 13:19 GMT
#53
On September 10 2016 22:13 creatspirit wrote:
People..... You forget that this is the first event they do there so expect them not to be experienced in organising Tournaments at all.
So please give them a chance to shine at least with the tournament itself.
If you smash their efforts already they will most likely never try to do a WCS tourney in Mexico ever again which I assume no one really wants to happen.

I am hyped for the starcraft action itself. Ignore the format.

They would definitely get less complaints if they just had 16 players instead of 10. 10 is just a silly number. But hopefully production holds up and it's an enjoyable tournament despite the weirdness.

Also if anyone knows why Dreamhack is the only weekend tournament remaining that has group stages, let me know.
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creatspirit
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany8 Posts
September 10 2016 13:26 GMT
#54
Also if anyone knows why Dreamhack is the only weekend tournament remaining that has group stages, let me know.


I think this has to do with the amount of organizing these extra rounds require. You need a lot more PCs place and time as well as money to do that.
I guess Dreamhack only does that cause they want to stay close to the community and LAN feeling as a trademark?
But these are just my assumptions and i got no official info about that.
the early bird catches the worm
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 10 2016 13:38 GMT
#55
well, my body is ready. Go iaguz!!! Zerg is there for the taking
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WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
September 10 2016 21:48 GMT
#56
Scarlet playing really bad
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 11 2016 08:32 GMT
#57
As Twitch was not working for me yesterday and I wanted to see the games of Has, I went to Twitch to watch the yesterday's day ... as there were all the issues with sound and technology ...
Well, I managed to see the whole day in 9 minutes, but there was no Has:
https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft/v/88713593
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Lightrush
Profile Joined July 2015
Bulgaria164 Posts
September 12 2016 10:10 GMT
#58
bravo snute!
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