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[Code S] Finals Preview - TY vs Zest - S1 2016 - Page 3

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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2647 Posts
May 01 2016 03:18 GMT
#41
On May 01 2016 07:20 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
TY has a much longer and better history of doing weird builds


If you think "weird builds" of Ty can win games in this series you don't understand the matchup at all.


Yeah is not too different from HotS where protoss could do weird stuff to throw off the terran and win, where terran could only do 3 rax into standard game because wierd stuff was just not viable.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
May 01 2016 06:14 GMT
#42
Nice preview, thanks.i can only see a zest victory here.
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Psilo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States115 Posts
May 01 2016 06:24 GMT
#43
TY 4-0 Zest.

Going to be an easy shutout.
Ghad4Aiur
Profile Joined May 2016
1 Post
May 01 2016 06:25 GMT
#44
TY 3-2 against showtime recently,
let alone the condition of his bunghole after that encounter with a dear
oh and dropping a game to myungsick
Zest 4 - 0 or 4 - 1 if a timing happens to catch him off gaurd
zest wont lose a macro game unless he takes early damage, terran weak now
Zest isnt dropping games - put the house on zest, 2nd mortgage time

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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
May 01 2016 06:43 GMT
#45
great preview! I'm hyped, don't let me down TY!
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arioch
Profile Joined May 2010
England403 Posts
May 01 2016 06:59 GMT
#46
Im rooting for TY but my head says Zest takes this 4-0 or 4-1... His PvT has looked completely bulletproof.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 01 2016 07:15 GMT
#47
Great in-depth article.

Let's hope TY does not kill himself after losing 4 - 0 to adept timings.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9377 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-01 07:27:29
May 01 2016 07:27 GMT
#48
The reason I see Zest as a significant favourite is due to 2 factors:

1. TY is vulnerable in the early game (he has lost alot of LOTV games to early timings).

2. TY has in general had very poor timings in LOTV.

As an example of the latter,watch his game against Dark. For some reason he moves out at 140 against 140'ish supply of Corrupter/mass blings and tries to siege up a position in the middle of the map with turrets.

By doing that he is playing into the hands of the opponent. The proper way to play against Corrupter/Bling is to wait for 180 supply + upgrade timing and slow push while splitting heavily across the map (as seen by Maru vs Dark or uThermal vs Departure).

Another example - and more related to the matchup - is G1 vs Showtime. He is ahead 200 to 150 supply but doens't push his advantage as Showtime has High Templars and TY only bio/Liberators. In that situation Ty should build Ghosts earler so he could take advantage of the army size advantage.

And not taking advantage of an army size lead is a consistent problem for TY (as G1 against Dream also shows).
He is giving the opponent a chance to comeback and that's very problematic when your opponent has a stronger late game composition as protoss have.

This is also why TvT is his best matchup because in this matchup he is on equal ground with his opponent in late game army strenght. And when he is on equal ground he can take advantage of his superior positional and mechanical skills. Whereas against toss he should lose to Tempest/HT in the late game.

If you watch his TvP macro games you will also notice that the way he gets ahead/win in the late game is when his opponents overextends and doesn't respect his counterdropplay. While TY's playstyle seems solid, this is actually somewhat deceptiv as he is often "all-in" on his dropplay doing damage. Generally, if you have the worse late-late game army, the solid way to play is to hit your timings and execute them very well. If you don't do that, your playstyle is kinda a gimmick and can be "figured out".

And that was exactly what Dear did. TY was ahead vs him, yet Dear just defended while teching up to Tempests andHT's which he used to defend all of his bases. TY didn't have succes with dropplay against Dear and he also lost the late game engagements since Ravens/Liberators can only hold position for so long against Tempests/HT.

Zest is - as Dear - unlikely to be overaggressive; and he especially won't do it if he has studied how TY plays. And against Zest's late game army control, Ty will most likely lose.

With regards to the early game, I think Zest is likely to get 1-2 free wins from the early game over the series. Part of that is due to TY generally being greedy, but also its due to a significant assymetry in the matchup as protoss have a tons of offensive tools whereas Terran has no way to get ahead in the early game in the matchup.

The only win condition I see for TY is if he (a) can get ahead in the early midgame and (b) learns how to manage timings well or if Zest stays on gateway (non HT) tech for too long.
snzStorm
Profile Joined August 2015
Russian Federation20 Posts
May 01 2016 07:31 GMT
#49
Zest - TY 4-2 seems to be fair.
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
May 01 2016 19:47 GMT
#50
Wow that was an incredible finals. I gotta hand it to ty. His play was far better than I expected.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
May 02 2016 12:23 GMT
#51
I rooted for TY because he didn't win a championship yet.

+ Show Spoiler +
TY 1 : Zest 0 - Fuck, yeah! TY very strong in one of the best LotV sets I have seen!
TY 1 : Zest 1 - Zest ties it with a strong early push.
TY 1 : Zest 2 - TY never challenged Zest's early gold expansions. What was that weird Thor push about?
TY 2 : Zest 2 - Oh wow! TY is still in this. That was an exciting base race! Go go, TY!
TY 2 : Zest 3 - Another game in which TY isn't able to harass Zest's early expansions. Still think he can win.
TY 2 : Zest 4 - TY accidentally builds two factories and is forced into a hopeless all-in.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 02 2016 15:59 GMT
#52
Is it worth watching? This weekend was one of the worst of my life(so far the worst) so I didn't have mood to watch it.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
bertolo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States133 Posts
May 02 2016 16:13 GMT
#53
On May 03 2016 00:59 deacon.frost wrote:
Is it worth watching? This weekend was one of the worst of my life(so far the worst) so I didn't have mood to watch it.


I would only watch game one imo, it is very good and exciting due to some luck. The rest is zest stomping terran souls into the dust as normal.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 03 2016 06:47 GMT
#54
On May 03 2016 01:13 bertolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 00:59 deacon.frost wrote:
Is it worth watching? This weekend was one of the worst of my life(so far the worst) so I didn't have mood to watch it.


I would only watch game one imo, it is very good and exciting due to some luck. The rest is zest stomping terran souls into the dust as normal.

Noted, thanks.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 08:49:13
May 03 2016 08:48 GMT
#55
On May 03 2016 01:13 bertolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 00:59 deacon.frost wrote:
Is it worth watching? This weekend was one of the worst of my life(so far the worst) so I didn't have mood to watch it.


I would only watch game one imo, it is very good and exciting due to some luck. The rest is zest stomping terran souls into the dust as normal.


Agree on the first set. That was one of the most exciting games I have seen in LotV.

Hope you'll soon be able to sort out whatever troubles you in your life at the moment.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
May 03 2016 20:03 GMT
#56
On May 03 2016 00:59 deacon.frost wrote:
Is it worth watching? This weekend was one of the worst of my life(so far the worst) so I didn't have mood to watch it.


Hope you feel better!!
Also I think game 1 and game 4 are the two best game, watch game 3 if you want some weird stuff, but if not then game 1 and game 4 are amazing
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Arush
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada80 Posts
May 04 2016 14:57 GMT
#57
Is there a final between Zest and Dark or it was jsut a rumor.
Plaguuuu!
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
May 04 2016 14:58 GMT
#58
On May 04 2016 23:57 Arush wrote:
Is there a final between Zest and Dark or it was jsut a rumor.


Potential finals:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_WCS_Korea_Season_1_Cross_Finals
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