EPTEven if it is bullshit and the games were not directly impacting the ladder qualification, you still admit guilt to sharing accounts, so what is blizzard supposed to do, say that's okay and reverse the decision? Everyone has known account sharing is agaisnt the rules for years, yet "all" progamers do it anyway apprently, that disrespectful.
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
Even if it is bullshit and the games were not directly impacting the ladder qualification, you still admit guilt to sharing accounts, so what is blizzard supposed to do, say that's okay and reverse the decision? Everyone has known account sharing is agaisnt the rules for years, yet "all" progamers do it anyway apprently, that disrespectful. | ||
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Elche
Finland170 Posts
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FFGenerations
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Smitus
United States11 Posts
Because then there is a loophole for someone, "well my friend doesn't have a spot yet, I'll queue up with him and say I was sick and give him free wins." I'm not saying you did that. But that loophole can't exist, and could be exploited. And it isn't professional. If a professional Olympic rower were home one day, if they were sick should they not be allowed to work out or do anything productive? Like you are sick you should not work out that is unprofessional. Major is a professional Starcraft2 player, he should have the full right to practice his craft however he chooses to. The ladder is only way one can practice Starcraft2. Obviously is a ladder competition is underway he should be aware and it should factor into how many games he is willing to leave early (even if that would be his behavior normally regardless of the competition). But based on his accounts of the events (assuming the numbers and facts he have provided are 100% accurate) it sounds like he was just practicing his profession one day like he would any other day, and then ban banned. | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:56 BronzeKnee wrote: Because then there is a loophole for someone, "well my friend doesn't have a spot yet, I'll queue up with him and say I was sick and give him free wins." I'm not saying you did that. But that loophole can't exist, because it could be exploited. And it isn't professional. Ladder isn't just practice anymore, so if you want to practice when you are sick play custom games or something. Well, if he can prove that he took more points from Lambo than Lambo gained and that this free win occurred well before the ladder lock, doesn't that easily refute this part of Blizzard's argument? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:06 Smitus wrote: If a professional Olympic rower were home one day, if they were sick should they not be allowed to work out or do anything productive? Like you are sick you should not work out that is unprofessional. Major is a professional Starcraft2 player, he should have the full right to practice his craft however he chooses to. The ladder is only way one can practice Starcraft2. Obviously is a ladder competition is underway he should be aware and it should factor into how many games he is willing to leave early (even if that would be his behavior normally regardless of the competition). But based on his accounts of the events (assuming the numbers and facts he have provided are 100% accurate) it sounds like he was just practicing his profession one day like he would any other day, and then ban banned. As I said before, ladder isn't practice anymore. Play custom games against practice partners or something if you are sick. The sick rower can work out all he wants in practice, but no spectator or competitor wants someone to show up and then give up immediately because they sick. That isn't the reason people play, or watch sports. So that behavior must have consequences if any sport is to be taken seriously. If that rower shows up sick and lines up against someone, and then gives up when the races starts and lets the other guy win, it could be very easily be perceived as match fixing when he had a choice not to compete. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:02 PPN wrote: The community is entitled to its opinion. Whatever we believe or who we side with is not really important. I won't even start a debate about how bad a ladder based qualification probably is (but yeah I tend to agree with Nony). What is the source of tension and all the drama is how badly and differently Blizzard handles the issues and how to communicate about them. Bly lost on purpose and arranged its seed in previous WCS season? No problem. Mlord and DnS cheat the system? Insta-DQ without much showing evidence (is it that hard to try to be transparent?). Bunny has some suspicious wins around the time of lock? Blizzard says nothing, Bunny has to go out of his way to explain what happened (props to him, but it should have been up to Blizzard to do the comment). Major has suspicious behaviour? Insta-DQ without event asking the player. Blizzard's behaviour is inconsistent and messy, their communication is pretty terrible and parasited by the players'. There is obviously something wrong at Blizzard, some people there are NOT doing their job. And I mean the ones who make the call and write what they report to the players and/or the community. If they want to do the ruling in WCS, fine by me but they should not do it half-assedly. I don't know, it is that hard to try to follow a sensible protocol for starters? Such as: - contact players investigated - investigate and tell them to shut up in the mean time - once it's settled, make the call, write the statement to the community and provide some evidence Blizzard doesnt need to show you evidence. Its only between the player and blizzard. Also players have most certainly the rules already. If not you can be assure that the rules of last year count. If proplayer received the rules after blys action, then thats the point when the rules count. I have no idea why this community thinks, blizzards need to inform anybody about anything. Are you doing the same in real life? Also ladder qualification wanted the community. Not blizzard. But i am sure, you will now say, that they shouldnt do what the community says. Either way you will always find a way to blame blizzard. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Feel really sorry for Major :/ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:05 FFGenerations wrote: actually not really. last time i played on marinelord barcode was like 3months ago. so its really weak to say i got banned cause of thatwhat are the implications of sharing an account with someone because you said that is the reason they banned you. i guess if you had multiple IPs playing on your account during the ladder period then it would stand out | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:03 todespolka wrote: Can you prove that you acted on ladder as usual? Do you loss intentionally games? The way justice was made in the 13th century, nice | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:08 todespolka wrote: I have no idea why this community thinks, blizzards need to inform anybody about anything. Maybe the Community Feedbacks (where they listen to the community's suggestions for in-game issues) made us feel we have a say in everything that Blizzard does or doesn't do.... | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This is so stupid. Are 1 base all-ins banned on ladder now? Being in GM now obliges you to never leave a ladder game? We already discussed on the last page. MKP got off free, so all someone has to do is play ignorantly and they are fine. Major just needed to play. That is the precedent that has been set in SC2. What you can't do is immediately leave at the start of the game. Because then you can't even say you were ignorant. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:06 BronzeKnee wrote: As I said before, ladder isn't practice anymore. Play custom games against practice partners or something if you are sick. The sick rower can work out all he wants in practice, but no spectator or competitor wants someone to show up and then give up immediately because they sick. That isn't the reason people play, or watch sports. So that behavior must have consequences if any sport is to be taken seriously. If that rower shows up sick and lines up against someone, and then gives up when the races starts and lets the other guy win, it could be very easily be perceived as match fixing when he had a choice not to compete. and if rhere aren't any eligible practice partners available. So you aren't allowed to play ladder for practice when this thing is going on? | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:13 BronzeKnee wrote: We already discussed on the last page. MKP got off free, so all someone has to do is play ignorantly and they are fine. Major just needed to play. That is the precedent that has been set in SC2. What you can't do is immediately leave at the start of the game. Because then you can't even say you were ignorant. You seem to have conveniently "overlooked" my reply earlier. | ||
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Elentos
55502 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:13 BronzeKnee wrote: We already discussed on the last page. MKP got off free, so all someone has to do is play ignorantly and they are fine. Major just needed to play. That is the precedent that has been set in SC2. What you can't do is immediately leave at the start of the game. Because then you can't even say you were ignorant. Theoretically, if one is under the same conditions as MajOr (sick), one could also PP first and tell the opponent about it, then come back if it's really bad and leave. At least then you got a witness in-game. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:13 Major wrote: its kinda bullshit. i cant believe i got banned for this.they now asked me for my replays vs lambo on april 7. guess what i sent 6 replays i won 4-2 this day. so if anything he lost more pts playing me than he did winning vs me. ;/ Well just send them all they are asking for | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:13 Charoisaur wrote: and if rhere aren't any eligible practice partners available. So you aren't allowed to play ladder for practice when this thing is going on? Ladder isn't practice, so maybe no practice partners are available, ect... the obvious solution other than getting more practice partners is to take some time off or play the games out. Honestly, Major has played so many games of SC2, it is very unlikely that practicing subpar games when he is sick is going to do anything for him anyway. In fact, grinding itself is determinantal to SC2 skill, but like many other sports people totally misunderstand how to practice when it comes to E-Sports, and that is why we saw people with disciplined and regimented practice schemes like Stephano, dominate people who grind way more games. There is so much more to practice than grinding, sports psychology proved that long ago. On April 10 2016 02:15 DuckloadBlackra wrote: You seem to have conveniently "overlooked" my reply earlier. It was too long, I actually just didn't read it. | ||
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