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On April 11 2016 18:48 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:20 Cyro wrote:
Why do people order pizza and queue anyway? i'd do it. i don't mind leaving a game if something else comes up. better than waiting doing nothing :D in starcraft that is. i don't like lol because you're forced to commit time to a game or face dumb consequences. it's just waste of time in some cases, quite stupid. probably why i'm not playing cs:go either: cba to wait on team mates. 1V1 is where it's at
I'd rather you waste your time than mine by dropping out on my game. That's why those types of rules exist. It's not that hard to not be selfish and go watch youtube for 10 minutes or so.
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We need more evidence to know for sure...Of course it sounds pretty innocent from his perspective, but then again, others on here say he's done shady shit in the past. If there is compelling evidence it needs to come out for the community's sake.
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On April 11 2016 21:29 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:48 Incognoto wrote:On April 11 2016 18:20 Cyro wrote:
Why do people order pizza and queue anyway? i'd do it. i don't mind leaving a game if something else comes up. better than waiting doing nothing :D in starcraft that is. i don't like lol because you're forced to commit time to a game or face dumb consequences. it's just waste of time in some cases, quite stupid. probably why i'm not playing cs:go either: cba to wait on team mates. 1V1 is where it's at I'd rather you waste your time than mine by dropping out on my game. That's why those types of rules exist. It's not that hard to not be selfish and go watch youtube for 10 minutes or so.
But being selfish is so much better than not being selfish.
SC2 right now has more drama than competiotions, really. So sad.
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On April 11 2016 21:29 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:48 Incognoto wrote:On April 11 2016 18:20 Cyro wrote:
Why do people order pizza and queue anyway? i'd do it. i don't mind leaving a game if something else comes up. better than waiting doing nothing :D in starcraft that is. i don't like lol because you're forced to commit time to a game or face dumb consequences. it's just waste of time in some cases, quite stupid. probably why i'm not playing cs:go either: cba to wait on team mates. 1V1 is where it's at I'd rather you waste your time than mine by dropping out on my game. That's why those types of rules exist. It's not that hard to not be selfish and go watch youtube for 10 minutes or so.
You get a free-win, where's the issue?
Unless you're talking about LoL or CS:GO, but I don't play either game. So, I don't get it.
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Unless you're talking about LoL or CS:GO, but I don't play either game. So, I don't get it.
The problem with the team games that have long matchmaking & games is that even with extremely harsh rules to punish people for leaving games, a lot of people still do it.
Not many, but it only takes one person out of 10 to mess up a 5v5 game.
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On April 11 2016 18:48 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:20 Cyro wrote:
Why do people order pizza and queue anyway? i'd do it. i don't mind leaving a game if something else comes up. better than waiting doing nothing :D in starcraft that is. i don't like lol because you're forced to commit time to a game or face dumb consequences. it's just waste of time in some cases, quite stupid. probably why i'm not playing cs:go either: cba to wait on team mates. 1V1 is where it's at
Ok, wait a minute, you're a pro player competing for top 16 GM and a spot in the WCS spring qualifier now?
The only things that matter here are the way Major was disqualified (lack of contact = lack of class) and his honesty about the events (did he really had to leave right when he was facing a team mate? would he have left he was facing Bly? Blizzard seemed to choose the inflexible stance : ban if it's fishy for the competition's future sake)
The fact you're ordering pizzas in your casual ladder session is totally irrelevant.
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On April 11 2016 20:49 Clonester wrote:
They should just forbid leaving games. Up from now on, you have to fight till your last building falls on ladder.
Everything else could be wintrading.
As it turns out, Nerchio and Firecake were way ahead of everyone when it comes to not wintrading :-)
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On April 11 2016 18:41 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:17 FFW_Rude wrote:
I love how people gets upset for "i can't leave a game ! what if something happens". Well you see... in CS... if you need to get your pizza out of the door; It's 30 minute bans.
Second time ? It's one hour ban.
Third time ? 1 day ban.
4th time ? (stop ordering pizza seriously) 7 DAY MOTHERFUCKER !
Imagine this system in SC2 ? With a ladder race ? You wouldn't leave a game or queue without thinking. I know it's not the same thing but people shitting on blizzard for this is kind of funny where i even saw post of saying : "Valve would have done better" stuff.
For me the only thing that Blizzard done wrong is :
"Not contacting the offender directly". That could be for : "Hey you are banned" or "We need explanation" or "You are banned from X tournaments because of suspicion that we need to sort out". But they need to contact the offender. From what i know, even if your account is banned you will be notified by blizzard. So they need to notify players. Maybe the tournaments organizer got word from blizzard and took the decision before Blizzard could contact him but that seems unlikely. I just think Blizzard fucked off somewhere. But only there.
Yes, that's their only mistake. (that and banning KR but hey. Their house, their rules.) The difference to CS GO is that there the players KNOW that they will get banned if they leave a game. Major didn't. and there is a difference between being banned for 30 mins (you only get higher bans if you leave multiple games in a certain time period) and being banned permanently from a qualifier and being labeled a matchfixer.
Yes. That's why i said the only thing they have done wrong is not contacting the offender to sort things out before taking a solution and making a communication.
And 30 minute bans 4hours before ladder lock would be really huge. (it's like 3 Lotv game) or maybe 2. And it's a bannable offense to leave games. Everyone knows that. It's just that people get banned so rarely. That's why people seems to not know that.
On April 11 2016 19:25 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 18:17 FFW_Rude wrote:
I love how people gets upset for "i can't leave a game ! what if something happens". Well you see... in CS... if you need to get your pizza out of the door; It's 30 minute bans.
Second time ? It's one hour ban.
Third time ? 1 day ban.
4th time ? (stop ordering pizza seriously) 7 DAY MOTHERFUCKER !
Imagine this system in SC2 ? With a ladder race ? You wouldn't leave a game or queue without thinking. I know it's not the same thing but people shitting on blizzard for this is kind of funny where i even saw post of saying : "Valve would have done better" stuff.
For me the only thing that Blizzard done wrong is :
"Not contacting the offender directly". That could be for : "Hey you are banned" or "We need explanation" or "You are banned from X tournaments because of suspicion that we need to sort out". But they need to contact the offender. From what i know, even if your account is banned you will be notified by blizzard. So they need to notify players. Maybe the tournaments organizer got word from blizzard and took the decision before Blizzard could contact him but that seems unlikely. I just think Blizzard fucked off somewhere. But only there.
Yes, that's their only mistake. (that and banning KR but hey. Their house, their rules.) You realize CS is a team game so if you leave your team probably loses? Whereas in sc2 if you leave your opponent is happy.
And that is why this system does not exist in SC2. I didn't say otherwise.
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And it's a bannable offense to leave games. Everyone knows that
Nobody knows that. It's never been done aside from extreme abuses like leaving 50 games in a row, and even then most of those guys don't get any attention.
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On April 11 2016 23:00 Cyro wrote:Nobody knows that. It's never been done aside from extreme abuses like leaving 50 games in a row, and even then most of those guys don't get any attention.
Maybe not everyone then. I know it's in the TOS and thought it was one of the few things that was known from it (that and 3rd party programs and do not share your account). And yes, it's for abuse (to lower your MMR i would imagine)
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On April 11 2016 23:10 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 23:00 Cyro wrote:And it's a bannable offense to leave games. Everyone knows that Nobody knows that. It's never been done aside from extreme abuses like leaving 50 games in a row, and even then most of those guys don't get any attention. Maybe not everyone then. I know it's in the TOS and thought it was one of the few things that was known from it (that and 3rd party programs and do not share your account). And yes, it's for abuse (to lower your MMR i would imagine)
Yeah nobody knows that.
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On April 11 2016 17:15 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 15:27 Jealous wrote:On April 11 2016 15:18 arb wrote:
they still let this kid play in pro games?
lolol. didnt you guys learn anything from him cheating in broodwar? Everyone wants to hate on Blizzard more than look at the weak excuses he is making lol, typical really. Also a ton of people in this thread outright support him, it's crazy. See this is why a few pages back people were saying that what you're mostly doing is attacking Major instead of actually looking for a fair answer. There is more or less still no more evidence about this fiasco, nor is there a PR statement or anything. You aren't here to discuss the merits of Blizzard's decision, you're here to attack major. It makes sense that someone who gets punished for no apparent reason (perhaps there's a reason but so far it's only conjecture) gets support. You're also bringing up old things which are completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. What Major did in Brood War has nothing to do with the current situation and you bringing that up at all is a sign that you lack real substance behind your (personal) attacks on major. Nice of you to discredit yourself like that, we now know that you aren't actually looking to hear about what is true or not, you're looking to personally put down major. Right now especially, it really seems that Major and the other players are more likely victim of Blizzard's poor organization of the ladder qualifier than they are cheaters who tried to exploit the system. Either way, so far what is factually correct is that : - Players are having their reputations (and as such their careers) damaged severely right now. - Lack of PR or more compelling evidence from Blizzard.
I took the stance that no one else effectively took - looking at WHY Major was in the situation in the first place, why he was acting irresponsibly. That is the only line of questioning that I saw that would bring any more information to the table, as you yourself said that there is no more evidence being provided. This is looking for a "fair answer," kind of, but I would rather word it as "the truth." I don't care if the way my questioning and doubts came off is "attacking Major." When progamers are accused of cheating, what, the whole community should gobble up every excuse they dish out and not approach the situation critically? They should coddle him and side with him blindly, just because the organization behind it also may have acted unfairly (according to him, mind you - what if he got the e-mail on the account that he used to smurf on Europe)? Attacking Major is justified when his story has more similarities to a fish market, and his reputation is partially to blame for that.
So yes, I am NOT here to discuss the merit of Blizzard's decision. Why? Because that is something we have no information on, except from the word of Major. There's nothing to discuss - I already said the decision may have been hasty and harsh, based on the information that Major provided. What we DO have information on is Major's paltry excuse for giving free wins. I came here to find out what the fuck is up. He is our only source, so I question him, his actions, his decisions, and his mindset. If you think that is somehow inappropriate in a thread that discusses him being banned from an event for cheating, then I don't understand what you think IS appropriate. It can't be that this thread is solely for bashing on Blizzard, although that's what it certainly seems like from 80% of the posts in here.
To say "there is no apparent reason" is straight up falsehood. We know the reason. Major knows the reason. The question is NOT whether he did it or not, it's whether he did it knowingly or not, which will probably be impossible to prove unless there are Skype conversations or something. A corollary question is whether or not Blizzard acted too harshly or too hastily or too privately, a topic that has been beat to death in this thread because nearly everyone is on the same page and just wants to bash Blizzard. Some of the accusations thrown Blizzard's way have been phenomenally outrageous and downright idiotic, but I don't see you criticizing their position on it. Do you really think Blizzard did this because Major spoke against Bly or something? Do you think they are doing it because they are trying to kill SC2? Where were you on those matters? Oh right, your stance prevents you from having objective thoughts, it seems.
It's hilarious how you can just say that my analysis is discredited because I "attack" Major by agreeing with a person who brought up the fact that (if I recall correctly) Major did damn near exactly the same thing before. Except, this time he changed servers and smurfs in order to do so. I would say it is YOUR argument that is discredited if you think that this has no relevance to the matter at hand. If you're being willfully dense, let me spell it out for you: this now makes him a multiple offender, whether he has an excuse this time or not (and really, why wouldn't he come up with an excuse that can't be proven???). My "attack" was that I called his excuses "weak," which I don't think is arguable, and that I think it's crazy that people in this thread blindly support him. Wow, I'm so brutal, really putting him down, huh? I must have really hurt his feelings with that, what a terrible crime. Please.
I'm not here to put him down. I'm here to look critically at the only direct testimony we have, which is his. So far, I haven't been convinced that he is telling the truth, and his history leads me to doubt the veracity of his statements. There are too many logical holes in his excuses for me to swallow. And, I find it ludicrous that the SC2 community is frothing at the mouth and attacking Blizzard so vehemently when a known cheater got caught cheating and was removed as a result. If you're saying that I came here with an agenda, I think there are dozens of posters that meet that accusation more fittingly. You're only singling me out because you don't agree with me. Try to be objective for a change, your bleeding-heart posting isn't presenting any solid arguments that I haven't already conceded or refuted.
EDIT: Nevermind, I can't take you seriously when you say things like this:
On April 08 2016 23:31 Incognoto wrote:
blizzard killed off the foreigner scene
And then follow-up with:
On April 08 2016 23:52 Incognoto wrote:
let's instead try to raise the mediocre, resultless foreigners with wcs welfare. my god this is so disgusting
Maybe it's the fact that foreigners haven't been able to compete with Koreans in the first place that killed the foreign scene, and Blizzard is trying to stem the bleeding with this system. Then they try to show that cheating is not ok by banning people giving away free points in a system they made that is specifically geared to giving opportunities for foreigners.
I guess Blizzard is really out to murder this game, huh?
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blizzard should pay more attention on how to improve/change the design of stacraft 2, instead of going on a crusade against "match-fixers". they are not the reason that nobody plays this game anymore, and all the good professional players quit
User was banned for this post.
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On April 12 2016 00:54 TLIdrA wrote:
blizzard should pay more attention on how to improve/change the design of stacraft 2, instead of going on a crusade against "match-fixers". they are not the reason that nobody plays this game anymore, and all the good professional players quit
On April 12 2016 00:52 TLIdrA wrote:
match-fixing has not and will not influence e-sports negatively. However, the design of starcraft 2 will
Lol???
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On April 11 2016 22:15 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 20:49 Clonester wrote:
They should just forbid leaving games. Up from now on, you have to fight till your last building falls on ladder.
Everything else could be wintrading. As it turns out, Nerchio and Firecake were way ahead of everyone when it comes to not wintrading :-)
Fantasy the only player above suspicion of wintrading.
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On April 12 2016 01:56 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 22:15 DonDomingo wrote:On April 11 2016 20:49 Clonester wrote:
They should just forbid leaving games. Up from now on, you have to fight till your last building falls on ladder.
Everything else could be wintrading. As it turns out, Nerchio and Firecake were way ahead of everyone when it comes to not wintrading :-) Fantasy the only player above suspicion of wintrading.
I guess now we know why Marineking got declared innocent..
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On April 12 2016 01:56 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 22:15 DonDomingo wrote:On April 11 2016 20:49 Clonester wrote:
They should just forbid leaving games. Up from now on, you have to fight till your last building falls on ladder.
Everything else could be wintrading. As it turns out, Nerchio and Firecake were way ahead of everyone when it comes to not wintrading :-) Fantasy the only player above suspicion of wintrading.
What happens to TaeJa now?
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On April 12 2016 00:24 Grizvok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2016 23:10 FFW_Rude wrote:On April 11 2016 23:00 Cyro wrote:And it's a bannable offense to leave games. Everyone knows that Nobody knows that. It's never been done aside from extreme abuses like leaving 50 games in a row, and even then most of those guys don't get any attention. Maybe not everyone then. I know it's in the TOS and thought it was one of the few things that was known from it (that and 3rd party programs and do not share your account). And yes, it's for abuse (to lower your MMR i would imagine) Yeah nobody knows that.
I knew it and I assumed it was widely known.
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major is a great player.
this seems harsh, but they already have a replacement.
all they can do is lift the 'embargo' and lay down a warning not to do it again.
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If only Starcraft pros had the same grit and dedication as WoW players:
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