We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
I'm done watching GSL/SSL if this is true. I mean, a few B, C, or D level Koreans doing some match fixing is one thing. But a legend like Life? I would have a very hard time trusting the legitimacy of any one game after such an event, which is a shame, because watching Korean SC2 is one of my greatest pleasures.
youre going to stop with one of your greatest pleasures because of one kids shitty behaviour?
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 09:45 sc2chronic wrote: jesus christ. i wonder h ow many other high profile pros have the possibilty of being involved in these things. surely no one wouldve ever predicted that Life would ever be questioned. so that possibility exists and its scary if you think about it.
no matter the outcome this negatively affects his image.
Do we technically know if he's being accused of match fixing as opposed to breaking an entering/robbery/drugs/etc...
nothings been confirmed yet, its all speculations right now.
It's a little more than pure speculation if he's been taken to a place that conducts investigations mainly about sports match fixing.
I hope (besides a false accusation ofc) that he participated in illegal betting and this, combined with his profession, opted the prosecutor the have him arrested or something like that.
why are you hoping that? what would that change? he would still be banned from sc2 for life wouldnt he?
? I think you misunderstand. I meant just betting in general, not on his own matches or even on Starcraft. Betting is illegal in South Korea.
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname.
Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene.
So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements.
While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL".
On January 30 2016 16:53 c0ldfusion wrote: It defies logic for someone as good as Life to match fix. He's still in his prime. This makes no sense.
sAviOr
He wasn't in his prime when he match fixed.
How far from it was he? Or how far from whatever would compare to Life's last world topping results? Just curious.
Far from it. Granted he was on the way up again when the news broke, but he was hardly a contender for multiple Starleagues at the time. I would say his career was at a similar point to what Life's has been in the past (say mid-2015 or ~Sep 2014). Not a perfect analogy, but it puts into perspective how far away he still was.
I didn't follow BW but from liquipedia it seems that the match fixing scandal was confirm in may 2010 at that point sAviOr was 2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 champion and his last top 3 was 2007 GOMTV MSL Season 3 in november 2007. He then went out 3 times in Ro32 of MSL, made a Ro 8, out 2 times out of top 32 and didn't qualify for his last one before the scandal so out of 7 MSL 5 ro32 finished, one top 8 and one no qualification In OSL after november 2007 he went Ro 8, Ro 16, Ro 24 and then didn't qualify 5 times in a row. In Proleague he had a sub 50% winrate.
Like I say I wasn't into BW at all so I might saying crap, but from liquipedia it seems that at that point sAviOr was pretty subpar.
On January 30 2016 20:41 Poopi wrote: Assuming he fixed games, which ones, except vs SjoW?
You guys have to realize that losing on purpose isn't the only way to "fix games for money". There are other means to do this as well, like fixing the game time, etc. Not saying this is the case here, but it WOULD be possible.
I hope that Life didn't do anything wrong though, would be incredibly frustrating and worse than that, how could people believe in the intergrity of korean sc2 if someone like Life (star player atm) would be involved :/
Maybe Life has bribed other players to let him win against them? It's just pure speculation but it doesn't have to be him throwing matches to be it matchfixing you know.
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