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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 28 2016 06:27 GMT
#41
Nice... Is this a record?
NikaLogy
Profile Joined September 2012
Denmark58 Posts
January 28 2016 06:29 GMT
#42
On January 28 2016 15:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Nice... Is this a record?

I believe so yes, even apeX lasted longer than this.
CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3409 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 06:30:44
January 28 2016 06:30 GMT
#43
...a short lol for the shortest-lasting team (ever?)!
ModeratorSC2 LP Admin - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
January 28 2016 06:31 GMT
#44
what the fuuuuuck
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
January 28 2016 06:32 GMT
#45
There needs to be some degree of due diligence, proof of funds, corporate registration, corporate or trust accounts... not a few pieces of paper shoddily formatted in Word that a 3rd grader could pump out on his lunch break.


This entirely. Things like this happening in e-Sports is hardly new, and the fact that professional players keep falling for these sorts of deals just makes me shake my head. At what point do players, and even others with good intent, begin to question these scenarios which obviously sound too good to be true? Especially with a scene like SC2, what are the chances that you're going to run into somebody who just happens to have $180,000 to throw around and invest in it?

If people were a bit wiser and more business savvy, then situations like this could easily be avoided.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
Zailyn
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada25 Posts
January 28 2016 06:41 GMT
#46
On January 28 2016 15:32 OveRtheStarS wrote:
Show nested quote +
There needs to be some degree of due diligence, proof of funds, corporate registration, corporate or trust accounts... not a few pieces of paper shoddily formatted in Word that a 3rd grader could pump out on his lunch break.


This entirely. Things like this happening in e-Sports is hardly new, and the fact that professional players keep falling for these sorts of deals just makes me shake my head. At what point do players, and even others with good intent, begin to question these scenarios which obviously sound too good to be true? Especially with a scene like SC2, what are the chances that you're going to run into somebody who just happens to have $180,000 to throw around and invest in it?

If people were a bit wiser and more business savvy, then situations like this could easily be avoided.



Considering the average price for an entry level premier MOBA team is =~ $500/player/month, and I imagine a T2 CS:Go team looking to break into T1 is a similar price...

MOBA Team: 5x500 = $2500/month
CS:Go Team: 5x500 - $2500/month
SC2 Team: =~ $1000-2000/Month

$6000-7000/month x 12 = $72000/$84000 per year on salary alone... $185000 for a two year budget for DotA, CS:Go and SC2 when offering salary AND full LAN expenses is actually a fairly reasonable and accurate operating budget for an organization that's not operating a team house.
BartCraft
Profile Joined March 2015
Netherlands45 Posts
January 28 2016 06:44 GMT
#47
loving all the Hindsight !!!! But this definitly deserves a big LOL.
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 06:48:07
January 28 2016 06:45 GMT
#48
$6000-7000/month x 12 = $72000/$84000 per year on salary alone... $185000 for a two year budget for DotA, CS:Go and SC2 when offering salary AND full LAN expenses is actually a fairly reasonable and accurate operating budget for an organization that's not operating a team house.


Absolutely, when there is some sort of capital involved in the investment. But, again, what are the chances of someone off the street throwing this kind of personal money at a declining scene? There was no intent of expanding into more lucrative markets that could have potentially provided a return until the SC2 players increased the teams popularity.

And this still doesn't account for the fact that people sign onto these sorts of deals without making any assurances for themselves that the finances are in place, besides verbal promises and poorly written documents. I can make reasonable budgets all I want, for all sorts of things. But they mean nothing unless the backing money is there. Until that happens, they're just smoke screens.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
Zailyn
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada25 Posts
January 28 2016 06:47 GMT
#49
On January 28 2016 15:45 OveRtheStarS wrote:
Show nested quote +
$6000-7000/month x 12 = $72000/$84000 per year on salary alone... $185000 for a two year budget for DotA, CS:Go and SC2 when offering salary AND full LAN expenses is actually a fairly reasonable and accurate operating budget for an organization that's not operating a team house.


Absolutely, when there is some sort of capital involved in the investment. But, again, what are the chances of someone off the street throwing this kind of personal money at a declining scene? There was no intent of expanding into more lucrative markets that could have potentially provided a return until the SC2 players increased the teams popularity.

And this still doesn't account for the fact that people sign onto these sorts of deals without making any assurances for themselves that the finances are in place, besides verbal promises and poorly written documents.



I suppose you have to weigh in potential upside compared to potential downside for the players. If they do actually get sent to a few events or get any money out of it, it is totally worth it. Ah well... Another venture down the drain.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7107 Posts
January 28 2016 06:52 GMT
#50
On January 28 2016 14:16 Solar424 wrote:
Well this guy has joined Martin Shkreli, the LYGF guy, Gerrard, and Simon Boudreault as the sketchiest eSports team owners.

Add alloye aldaris to that list
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
January 28 2016 06:52 GMT
#51
On January 28 2016 15:05 shin_toss wrote:
So sad to see them go.. the memories will stay with me tho, good luck to the players

"the memories" right...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
huller20
Profile Joined August 2010
United States112 Posts
January 28 2016 07:00 GMT
#52
LOL...'increasingly outlandish excuses...wife dying". I wonder what his end game was. How long did he intend to keep up the facade? When and how was he planning to drop the bomb? Missed out on all that excitement. Really sad for the people involved though...
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
January 28 2016 07:08 GMT
#53
"Owner repeatedly [entered into] the psych ward".... was running the team that bad of an experience?
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
January 28 2016 07:10 GMT
#54
Quite off the topic, but true saviour of SC is the teams that have supported and remained this scene for a long time without a word, not a shooting star that throws money around to flaunt its richness.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Muxtar
Profile Joined November 2014
Ukraine64 Posts
January 28 2016 07:17 GMT
#55
On January 28 2016 14:34 billynasty wrote:
this is crazy...

Literally.
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
January 28 2016 07:17 GMT
#56
Has nobody in SC2 management/bussiness ever heard of a solvency check?
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
January 28 2016 07:35 GMT
#57
On January 28 2016 15:52 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 14:16 Solar424 wrote:
Well this guy has joined Martin Shkreli, the LYGF guy, Gerrard, and Simon Boudreault as the sketchiest eSports team owners.

Add alloye aldaris to that list
GundamWerra still takes the cake.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
January 28 2016 07:41 GMT
#58
Major, Desrow and Welmu =(
Hoping for the best for the players
BeaSt..
Profile Joined May 2012
United States312 Posts
January 28 2016 07:43 GMT
#59
On January 28 2016 15:41 Zailyn wrote:
MOBA Team: 5x500 = $2500/month
CS:Go Team: 5x500 - $2500/month
SC2 Team: =~ $1000-2000/Month


Where are you getting these numbers from? I can see why things have gone under 4 times in the last 2-3 years under your guidance..
JonnySC2
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 08:21:24
January 28 2016 08:20 GMT
#60
Well this really sucks for the players but somehow I still think it is quite funny.
SKT best KT
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